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India and China – ‘Double-Trouble’ for the U.S.

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Faced with an increasingly assertive China, the United States is embracing India.

Like America, India is a democracy – an open, pluralistic society. Military planners in Washington don’t spend time fretting about war with India, the way they do about conflict with China. India’s economy, with its vibrant services sector, doesn’t pose nearly the same the challenge to the U.S. as China’s manufacturing juggernaut.

In short, to U.S. policy-makers worried about the long-term threat from China, India looks like a useful counterbalance.

Not so fast, says a newly published book by George Gilboy, the chief representative of an international energy firm in China and Eric Heginbotham, a senior political scientist at the RAND Corporation. “Chinese and Indian Strategic Behavior” argues that the benign view of India in Washington policy-making circles may be an illusion, rooted more in U.S. insecurity about China than a hard-nosed assessment of India. When you stop looking at India through the prism of China, the authors argue, the picture looks very different. On many issues of key concern to Washington, from trade and investment to Iran and arms proliferation, India’s view of the view of the world is strikingly similar to China’s.

One of the book’s big takeaways: Far from being a “balancer” to China, the rise of India could mean “double trouble” for Washington. The Wall Street Journal’s China editor Andrew Browne recently sat down with the authors. Edited excerpts below:

What motivated you to write this book?

Gilboy: The original objective is really to understand what rising Chinese and Indian power means for U.S. interests. There’s an impression out there that China is emerging as an inevitable challenger and potential enemy, and India is emerging as a natural ally. And that ought to be investigated, in part by just asking the same question of each power.

Heginbotham: When you just ask ‘How is China a challenger?’ and ‘How might India help?’ you’re not likely to get the reverse of the coin on either one of those countries. The real purpose here was to ask the same questions in a structured way and look at the empirical data on actual behavior.

So what’s the conclusion?

Heginbotham: The punchline here is that what we may be facing with the rise of these two powers is double-trouble. Both are going to present challenges to the United States. At the same time, we’ll be able to partner with both of them on various issues. It’s a much more mixed bag – a much more nuanced picture than we think is generally recognized.

Gilboy: Both China and India are equally likely to pursue their territorial and maritime claims over disputed areas, they’re equally likely to use force in international disputes, and they spend roughly the same share of GDP on military power. Both of them have an outstanding territorial and political dispute that’s wrapped up not only in territorial questions but also questions of state legitimacy in both countries, and also of national identity: Taiwan for China; Kashmir for India. So they’re equally difficult to resolve. Partly as a result, both pursue a common agenda at the U.N. and other security bodies.a strict interpretation of state sovereignty and a protection of the principle of non-interference in the affairs of other states. This helps us understand why India is such a reluctant ally on questions all the way from Libya to Syria to Iran. India is just as committed to this idea of not having Western military interventions in these states.

Heginbotham: The strict interpretation of sovereignty isn’t an academic issue – it has real consequences. We looked at UN voting records and there’s a very high level of convergence between Indian and China on Iran, Sudan, Burma, WMD issues. On these issues of importance to the U.S., the Chinese and Indian positions are very close.


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India and China
 
On many issues of key concern to Washington, from trade and investment to Iran and arms proliferation, India’s view of the view of the world is strikingly similar to China’s.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/183185-india-china-double-trouble-u-s.html#ixzz1wB4CrLaW

i would pin this behavior to the common grounds the two countries posses. such as both countries have been screwed over by external powers in the past making them insecure, both countries are still developing and energy hungry, etc...
 
i have said this before, that when india gets to the level of economic development and power that china currently has, america will view india as a strategic challenge to its hegemony.

it doesnt matter if you are democracy, ally or whatever. america was pretty ruthless on britain during the suez crisis in the 1950's.
bottom line is america will never allow anyone to displace its total dominance.
just look how they pressured japan to agree to the plaza accord when america was scared japan would economically surpass america, and japan is an american ally and they still didnt let japan surpass america. no one in this world wants to give up power, its human nature.

right now, china is the challenge to american dominance, at this rate indian power and influence will rise to a level it will be able to take decisions for its own interest and therefore will bring clashes with america's strategic interests.
this is when america regards india a serious challenge to the american led world order.

then america will have both china and india to handle in the 21st century. this is why america is trying to stir the hornets nest and stir up a fight between china and india based on historical differences so that both will destroy eachother and america wont have to face either in the future.

both china and india must realise this and agree to work together where we both agree and solve our differences gradually in a peaceful manner, this is best for both nations.

we must not fall for the divide and conquer tactics used by the west.
 
India must behave like an US ally to gain full trust of the US. For example, India must provide monitoring stations along the Chinese border. Allow US fleets in its ports and allow US AF bases in its northwest sector to assist in war against terror.
 
+1 to what CD said

USA will backstab us like they did with Japan and UK when our economy starts reaching closer to them
 
India must behave like an US ally to gain full trust of the US. For example, India must provide monitoring stations along the Chinese border. Allow US fleets in its ports and allow US AF bases in its northwest sector to assist in war against terror.
Although I hate india but would like to say," Trusting To America Is The Biggest Foolishnesh For A
Nation For A Country "
 
India must behave like an US ally to gain full trust of the US. For example, India must provide monitoring stations along the Chinese border. Allow US fleets in its ports and allow US AF bases in its northwest sector to assist in war against terror.

sure. we'll do that as soon as china gives a military base to Taiwan in its mainland
 
In a conflict between China and America, India can actually come out ahead - but not by trusting and helping the americans( we'll be utter fools to trust them), we can come ahead by joining China or atleast by not aiding the US and in return China should be ready to solve the border issues peacefully. We can turn a potentially dangerous potential enemy right on our doorstep into a very useful ally.
 
USA is far more useful than china. we can use their dominance in trade and diplomacy to benefit us greatly.

so i would side with the US
 
USA is far more useful than china. we can use their dominance in trade and diplomacy to benefit us greatly.

so i would side with the US

China is our neighbour
Chinese dominance in trade is almost equal to that of USA if not more
Who the hell needs dominance in Diplomacy .. We ar facing many problems locally and we aren't world policeman ..
Don't forget even China is a permanent member ;-)

So I would side with China

India must behave like an US ally to gain full trust of the US. For example, India must provide monitoring stations along the Chinese border. Allow US fleets in its ports and allow US AF bases in its northwest sector to assist in war against terror.

Dream on ..

We aren't Korea and Japan
We still have self respect :P

India must behave like an US ally to gain full trust of the US. For example, India must provide monitoring stations along the Chinese border. Allow US fleets in its ports and allow US AF bases in its northwest sector to assist in war against terror.

Dream on ..

We aren't Korea and Japan
We still have self respect :P
 
China is our neighbour
Chinese dominance in trade is almost equal to that of USA if not more
Who the hell needs dominance in Diplomacy .. We ar facing many problems locally and we aren't world policeman ..
Don't forget even China is a permanent member ;-)

So I would side with China

I don't think current china(politics) are backstabbers, but they are cleaver and can be bigger threat(in terms of conflict and damage) to India then US if any commie's intention is not right. Still many issues and love for the show of forced dominance.

My policy to make future India would be.. Show whatever is needed to world to make happy if it not for taking side blindly and keep the India Neutral. We need be able to grow our dominance by trust/friendship/humanity as it has been for thousands of years. It may take time but we can get their slowly despite of all corruption..
 

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