India: Adrift

[muse]

Well, they never had a dispute on land similar to KASHMIR

Alsace-Lorraine -- Germany and Poland, Hungary and Romania -- It is not the problem that is important, it's the determination to resolve them in any manner other than violence and bloodshed.

 

[rastor]

it's the determination to resolve them in any manner other than violence and bloodshed.

Then getting rid of the LeT proxies or atleast the resolve to do so would be a good start. As long as policy makers look at it in a territorial perspective all the talk of "european" solution is hogwash. Besides in europe there was a total German military defeat. Even if there is a total war resulting in millions of death on both sides in SA and the consequent break up of Pak there would still be no peace as I feel there would be a very active insurgency directed east from Pak's Punjab.

 

[muse]

Seems to you there is no solutions - that regretable.

you say:

Then getting rid of the LeT proxies or atleast the resolve to do so would be a good start

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I think we all very much agree and i am sure that you will agree this will become easier as we move ahead on the issue of Kashmir - it is reported that Pakistana and India were close to a resolution - and I think this was based on Musharraf's idea of resolving those problems we could and working on those that were a harder nut to crack.

See, the longer we avoid making even small progress the more we become pawn in the hands of those who have a history of using us to serve their interests - keep that in mind - today we are in an even more dangerous situation as the mnost powerful global player does not seem to know it's own mind and imagines it can export it's bigotry as policy - after all, if today it is openly discussing breaking up Afghanistan becaue it may help extricate it from Afghanistan, what would it's response be to more complex problems tomorrow?

 

[amit27]

India has no land trade route to afganistan, I doubt Pakistan will let it's territory be used to transport Indian goods in the near future unless there is a agreement on Kashmir.

 

[Justin Joseph]

India, Russia, Iran explore anti-Taliban strategy

With Pakistan trying to broker a deal with the Taliban and recent leaks exposing the sordid saga of Islamabad's role in Afghanistan, India, Iran and Russia are coming together on the same page in what could possibly be a replay of 2001 when they backed the Northern Alliance's campaign to oust the Taliban regime from Kabul.

Closer coordination on countering the Taliban in Afghanistan figured prominently in discussions between Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao and Russian first deputy foreign minister Andrei Denisov in Moscow Monday, well-placed sources told IANS.

The Russian side briefed Rao about President Dmitry Medvedev's plan to hold a trilateral summit later this month with Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and Afghan leader Hamid Karzai, said the sources.

'Both India and Russia are inching closer on a regional approach and have shared interests in preventing a Taliban takeover after the US troops leave,' Arun Mohanty, an expert on India-Russia relations, told IANS.

The two sides are expected to firm up their strategic understanding at a meeting that Moscow is planning to host for senior officials/foreign ministers of India, Russia, Tajikistan and Afghanistan later this month, said the sources.

Moscow, too, has its own apprehensions about the Taliban as it fears the spillover effects on its periphery and in Central Asian republics where some Islamist networks are active. Ahead of last month's Kabul conference on Afghanistan's future, Russia had echoed India's view that 'there is no good or bad Taliban'.

Rao returns to New Delhi to hold talks with Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Mohammad Ali Fathollahi Thursday where the Afghan situation is expected to dominate the discussions.

The two countries, along with Russia, had backed the Northern Alliance in the days leading to the ouster of the Taliban regime in 2001. In their meeting in New Delhi last month, External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna and Iran's Minister of Economic Affairs Syed Shamsheddin Hosseini had decided to hold 'structured and regular consultations' on closer cooperation in Afghanistan.

The Iranian side has assured India of accelerating the pace of work at Chabahhar port that will provide Indian goods an alternative access route to Afghanistan, bypassing Pakistan. Due to the worrying Afghan situation and its energy security concerns, India is looking for ways to dodge the US and UN sanctions against Tehran and signed six pacts with Iran last month, including an air services agreement.

Shia majority Iran has influence over Hazara tribes in Afghanistan and resent Sunni-Pashtun Taliban's influence on its periphery.

India, Russia and Iran intensified consultations over the Afghan situation, specially since the Jan 20 London conference cleared the decks for the reintegration of the Taliban, a contentious proposal which was reaffirmed six months later at the July 20 international conference in Kabul.

The proposal has not gone down well with the three countries, who see in the Taliban reintegration a ploy to expand Pakistan's role in Afghanistan and a spur to Islamist militancy on their borders.

Of the three, India is the one which is directly affected as a Taliban takeover will directly impinge on its security interests.

The recent leaks of 92,000 classified US military documents by WikiLeaks, an online whistle-blower, have brought into the public domain the staggering scale of Pakistan's military-ISI combine's role in inciting insurgency in Afghanistan and in promoting anti-India activities through its militant proxies like the Taliban, the Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Haqqani network.

In fresh disclosures, Chris Alexander, a former Canadian ambassador to Kabul, has revealed that Pakistan Army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has told Afghan President Hamid Karzai that he can broker a peace deal with the Taliban - only if Indian consulates in Afghanistan are closed down.

India, Russia, Iran explore anti-Taliban strategy

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Hmmm,last time i checked Iran was accused of supporting Taliban in wiki leaks.

 

[Tshering22]

India, Russia, Iran explore anti-Taliban strategy

With Pakistan trying to broker a deal with the Taliban and recent leaks exposing the sordid saga of Islamabad's role in Afghanistan, India, Iran and Russia are coming together on the same page in what could possibly be a replay of 2001 when they backed the Northern Alliance's campaign to oust the Taliban regime from Kabul.

Closer coordination on countering the Taliban in Afghanistan figured prominently in discussions between Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao and Russian first deputy foreign minister Andrei Denisov in Moscow Monday, well-placed sources told IANS.

The Russian side briefed Rao about President Dmitry Medvedev's plan to hold a trilateral summit later this month with Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and Afghan leader Hamid Karzai, said the sources.

'Both India and Russia are inching closer on a regional approach and have shared interests in preventing a Taliban takeover after the US troops leave,' Arun Mohanty, an expert on India-Russia relations, told IANS.

The two sides are expected to firm up their strategic understanding at a meeting that Moscow is planning to host for senior officials/foreign ministers of India, Russia, Tajikistan and Afghanistan later this month, said the sources.

Moscow, too, has its own apprehensions about the Taliban as it fears the spillover effects on its periphery and in Central Asian republics where some Islamist networks are active. Ahead of last month's Kabul conference on Afghanistan's future, Russia had echoed India's view that 'there is no good or bad Taliban'.

Rao returns to New Delhi to hold talks with Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Mohammad Ali Fathollahi Thursday where the Afghan situation is expected to dominate the discussions.

The two countries, along with Russia, had backed the Northern Alliance in the days leading to the ouster of the Taliban regime in 2001. In their meeting in New Delhi last month, External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna and Iran's Minister of Economic Affairs Syed Shamsheddin Hosseini had decided to hold 'structured and regular consultations' on closer cooperation in Afghanistan.

The Iranian side has assured India of accelerating the pace of work at Chabahhar port that will provide Indian goods an alternative access route to Afghanistan, bypassing Pakistan. Due to the worrying Afghan situation and its energy security concerns, India is looking for ways to dodge the US and UN sanctions against Tehran and signed six pacts with Iran last month, including an air services agreement.

Shia majority Iran has influence over Hazara tribes in Afghanistan and resent Sunni-Pashtun Taliban's influence on its periphery.

India, Russia and Iran intensified consultations over the Afghan situation, specially since the Jan 20 London conference cleared the decks for the reintegration of the Taliban, a contentious proposal which was reaffirmed six months later at the July 20 international conference in Kabul.

The proposal has not gone down well with the three countries, who see in the Taliban reintegration a ploy to expand Pakistan's role in Afghanistan and a spur to Islamist militancy on their borders.

Of the three, India is the one which is directly affected as a Taliban takeover will directly impinge on its security interests.

The recent leaks of 92,000 classified US military documents by WikiLeaks, an online whistle-blower, have brought into the public domain the staggering scale of Pakistan's military-ISI combine's role in inciting insurgency in Afghanistan and in promoting anti-India activities through its militant proxies like the Taliban, the Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Haqqani network.

In fresh disclosures, Chris Alexander, a former Canadian ambassador to Kabul, has revealed that Pakistan Army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani has told Afghan President Hamid Karzai that he can broker a peace deal with the Taliban - only if Indian consulates in Afghanistan are closed down.

India, Russia, Iran explore anti-Taliban strategy

That's a good move. Involving regional players like Tajikistan, Iran and Afghanistan is very essential other than Russia and us. With this, I think we should expand to the level of trilateral counter-terror military drill between us, Russians and Tajiks. This would act as a symbolic gesture.

I am glad that Iran is lively on tackling the Taliban menace and Pakistani support to them. Let us see what the Bear, the Lion and the Elephant do when it comes to action.

 

[SMC]

Hmmm,last time i checked Iran was accused of supporting Taliban in wiki leaks.

What contradiction! Indian media uses wikileaks as their source to say that Pakistan is supporting Taliban and for that India, Russia, Iran are making a strategy. But but.. the source also says something else.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

What contradiction! Indian media uses wikileaks as their source to say that Pakistan is supporting Taliban and for that India, Russia, Iran are making a strategy. But but.. the source also says something else.

Thts coz they will do anything to malign Pakistan.

Bloody hipocrites!

 

[SMC]

Thts coz they will do anything to malign Pakistan.

Bloody hipocrites!

Hypocrites of the highest order indeed.

All the talk about Pakistanis' lack of logic, rationality, proof and their conspiracy theories and delusion seem to be lost on them. Now they are the ones lack logic, rationality, and proof, and are making conspiracy theories.

 

[banned]

russian interference in afghan is exactly opposite of american intrest. team that with anti-us iran and pipe dream india and recipe of disaster as been set. I see return of taliban under blind eye of america after obama offically accecpts failure. Because american eyes are all set on Afghan minerals and they will not like any contender. End of the day its america which dictates afghan war not russia, iran or india. Btw if india is so concerned about Afghan, they should take a walk in our shoes of WOT and feel the grunt. Nobody was listening to their hyper ventilation or mumbai drama has to be staged.

 

[graphican]

Is India, Iran and Russia Combined any better than USA, NATO? Its even laughable to imagine India, Iran and Russia would be able to control Taliban better than America or Nato could. hehe.. Dreamers.. Dream On!