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What has Bhutanese not objecting to Chinese patrols got to do with Indian patrols in a Chinese/Bhutanese disputed region. There never was any Indian patrol to begin with, the first time you tried, it nearly triggered a war.
I suggest you check the map and understand some geography, Doka La is at the end of Doklam plateau not Doklam, Gyomochi peak is the end of the Western side of Doklam while the Eastern side is a huge valley. Roads already existed in Doklam plateau for the past decade, this current activity was to upgrade it to grade 40 roads, to accommodate equipment up to 40 tonnes (hint: light tanks)
The road is postponed for Modi to retreat with dignity and for him to attend the BRICs. You asked for mutual withdrawal and cessation of road activities, China insisted they will continue with the road building when weather improves after winter. You basically exchanged road postponement with Chinese troops stationing, for me , that's a good deal for China.
Postponement was just a concession for Modi, he needs a face saver for the general Indian public. In reality, he gave Chinese de facto annexation of Doklam and withdrew. Roads are secondary, what is the use of roads if there are no soldiers? It's just bitumen, remember there is now a grade 40 road system in 'Doklam plateau' with armed soldiers. The postponement of road upgrade is for the stretch from Doka La to Gyomochi.
Doka La is still located in Doklam plateau (fringes) up to the ridges, and Doklam plateau is located in Doklam. Get it? The whole disputed area is called DOKLAM.
- Chinese troops stayed where they had been before, outside the disputed part, and, as mentioned earlier, road-building on the disputed part stopped. Chinese troops are still in Doklam my friend. Doka La is 5km deep into Doklam plateau, a 150m buffer line would mean we are still in Doklam as confirmed by our Foreign Ministry, while Indian troops retreated back to their side of the border. If you didn't oblige to our warning, there would have been some roasted chapatis.
I said, "....outside the disputed part." You are using geographical terms, Doklam and Doka La, to obscure the facts, that there was - and is - a disputed territory, that the Chinese started building in it or towards it, that they were obstructed, and that when the offending activity, the road-building stopped, the Indian troops stopped obstructing it. Whether the Chinese remain in their part as they always have been or not is immaterial; what was objected to was stopped. The Chinese warned the Indians not to stay in the disputed territory permanently, the Indians warned the Chinese that road-building was not acceptable. The Chinese did their communications with the full blare of publicity, in high-pitched strident tones, the Indians did their communications with their actions, and with no governmental incitement of its media or its ubiquitous netizens. Chapatis with sweet and sour vegetables? Not a good match.
The Chinese were never based in Doklam plateau or Doklam but at the 'recognized border' 5km away up north. I think I am wasting my time talking to you since you don't even know where is the dispute. India was asking China to retreat 5km up north back to Yadong. Understand genius?
China is building roads in Gilgit, next time, it will be soldiers, tanks, missiles, and much more. You want to try that? Militarily and financially you are weaker. Who do you think you are? Supa powa? Umbrella my arse. Btw, Bhutan did not invite you, you force yourself in and later begged Bhutan to admit they invited you, look at the delay of Bhutanese announcement. Even your own 'media' was talking about this.
Bhai, seriously, check your facts, you are appearing stupid now, INDIAN PATROLS IN DOKLAM? INDIA HAD NEVER PATROLLED IN DOKLAM AND YOU JUST RETREATED.
- The Indian side will continue to patrol into the disputed area, as will the Chinese. The withdrawal of Indian troops to their original positions does not indicate withdrawal of Bhutanese claims, and the patrolling keeps the dispute in status quo. Since when did India even dare patrol in Doklam? The moment you step over that border, it will be full scale war, else why do you think you retreated?
Because the Chinese very reasonably decided that jaw-jaw was better than war-war. Isn't that funny? Calls for a meaningless emoticon, like soStupid, isn't it? Now you know what it looks like.
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- No constructions by either side will come up in the disputed area. Sure? Because you are more powerful than China and we need to listen to you? Bunkers are now built there? So? What if we start building air strips? So? No roads right? Just an airstrip? LOL. Naive Indians.
LOL indeed. Why not put your Mars space station there? That would be as outlandish as anything else, and as likely.
Indians troops are in Doka La (fringes of Doklam plateau), we are in Doklam, from our position, it's the Indian border, from your position its the Chinese border. Damn, how smart can you get? Indian troops are guarding their own border and Chinese troops are also guarding their own border. Borders are shared understand?The road is only 100 meters from the Indian border genius.
Err, genius? You forgot to mouth your own script. It is the Bhutanese border, not the Indian border. Indian troops are guarding it, but it remains Bhutanese. Second, whether it is a 100 metres or 1 metre doesn't matter; China's attempts to extend the road were stopped. And remain stopped.
What will happen, might happen, could happen, should happen is not known, and unlike you, we don't look into crystal globes and foretell the future.
Will or will not does not matter, permanent troop stationing, new bunkers and existing grade 40 road network is completed. De facto annexation of Doklam.
Doklam and Doklam plateau are two different things, China wanted to own Doklam not just the plateau, the road till Doka La essentially already covers the whole Doklam plateau. When we station troops there, we have de-facto control of Doklam plateau. Strategically, it was the plateau that mattered, the last big piece of flat land there facing Siliguri. Use google 3D, the plateau area is only at the top left quarter of Doklam, the rest are essentially river valleys with no strategic use.
So when Indians entered the Doklam plateau area, their main aim was not road obstruction, it was road destruction of the completed roads in Doklam Plateau. Why else do you need to bring in 2 excavsatros, you could have used only kumbaya troops instead.
Map from Indian analyst. Doklam plateau is from Batang La, Merug La, Senche La to Doka La, looks like a diamond, essentially the whitish area crisscrossed by the roads there. We completed roads from Merug La/Senche La to Doka La, essentially grade 40 roads, then interference from Doka La happened when we tried to extend to Gyomochen. Gyomochen is not a plateau but it was the original trijunction as per 1890 agreement.
Map from Chinese MOFA
To me this is a win win situation because the definition of victory differs between China and India. India wanted media victory for Modi's reelection and also to cover up the fck ups by BJP. China wanted strategic victory. Why did I say India got a media victory? Because we shouldn't have even given a road postponement concession since it was 'rightfully' ours. However, in reality, China did not exercise de facto control of Doklam prior to this, India on the other hand had soldiers in Doka La. Due to it's disputed nature, China could only patrol. The status quo is now changed forever whether India admits it, there is now a grade 40 road covering the whole Doklam plateau (not Doklam area) and permanent Chinese troops stationed there. De facto control is now in Chinese hands which is exactly what we wanted.
The original Indian objective was to ensure Doklam plateau (not the whole Doklam area) does not fall into Chinese hands, not by obstructing road construction, they were aiming to destroy the completed roads in the plateau. Strategically speaking, extending the road to Gyomochi is only for de jure control not de facto control. By controlling the whole Doklam plateau (not Doklam area), we already have de facto control over the whole Doklam.
