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India acknowledges Hindu terrorism

Yaar there again same discussion on Samjhauta Express, Godhara and Babri. Too much generalization made by our neighbors who hate same generalization made regarding them.

I just saw a Shwetaambar Jain procession. No one attacked them. They seemed to be so happy. :D
 
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I went to Mahaveer ji, a famous Jainism place, and loved the entire trip. Such a great experience, great people all around, so much better arrangements. No one stopped me and asked me if I am Jain or Hindu. All I had to do is respect their beliefs.

Similarly, I went to Ajmer Dargah when I was a kid and one of the famous Hindu place is near it at Pushkar.

Hell, I studied in a school run by Christians and we used to sing their prayers. Some prayer which ended in Amen. :D

We had Muslim, Jain students too. No Hindu "terrorist" attacked that school saying they are brainwashing Hindu kids. :lol:

When I look at rest of the world, I see religious tolerance in India is not even noticed by us. I never thought of religion before coming to this forum.
 
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@KRAIT - delete my quote from your post. I don't want to insult the peaceful souls even in joke..
 
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I went to Mahaveer ji, a famous Jainism place, and loved the entire trip. Such a great experience, great people all around, so much better arrangements. No one stopped me and asked me if I am Jain or Hindu. All I had to do is respect their beliefs.

Similarly, I went to Ajmer Dargah when I was a kid and one of the famous Hindu place is near it at Pushkar.

Hell, I studied in a school run by Christians and we used to sing their prayers. Some prayer which ended in Amen. :D

We had Muslim, Jain students too. No Hindu "terrorist" attacked that school saying they are brainwashing Hindu kids. :lol:

When I look at rest of the world, I see religious tolerance in India is not even noticed by us. I never thought of religion before coming to this forum.

Contact with Hindus and Christians during our school/college years would be very beneficial to us Pakistanis and may open up our minds. The issue is however for some reason a lot of people in India remain communal despite this contact. I go out of the way to develop this contact. But a lot of Pakistanis in Pakistan may never have talked to or met a person of another religion in their lives. There is a relationship of bond-building between various communities when they share a land together. In any case I guess I am off-topic.

@Ayush you are right. I do not agree with you but still it is killing a countries reputation and then those citizens of Pakistan were attacked by no one other than your home grown fanatics. What about their compensation? Shouldn't Pakistani (useless) media be highlighting this in every nook and corner.

Furthermore a false allegation which is later proven wrong casts doubt on Mumbai incidents too... as Abu Zulfiqar said Karkare was killed, some terrorists spoke Marathi, Kasab spoke the deccan dialect which I can recognize anywhere (which no one from a village of Punjab would know-which I am 200% sure being a person who has studied demographics extensively)... so basically maybe we should have questioned the Mumbai attacks line played by India?
 
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no offence,but you see,most of the terrorism in india is islamic and about atleast half of them are related to pak and isi(of course,you are free to disagree).so naturally,the suspicion arises.

The Hindu : Front Page : ISI hand in 7/11 Mumbai blasts, say police

Headley bares bigger ISI hand in 26/11 attacks - Hindustan Times

follow this thread and tell me whether even 25% of the posts relate to "Islamic terrorism"

http://www.defence.pk/forums/central-south-asia/51262-indias-insurgency-problem.html

i'm sorry you people suffer from Islamophobia and resort to maligning not just other countries but also other religious groups; keep up the good work. It's amazing they never have revolted.









p.s. i saw on the news there were 8 bomb blasts in Assam the other day - probably you'll pin that on Muslims or ISI as well too; you've been trained to think and behave that way
 
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follow this thread and tell me whether even 25% of the posts relate to "Islamic terrorism"

http://www.defence.pk/forums/central-south-asia/51262-indias-insurgency-problem.html

i'm sorry you people suffer from Islamophobia and resort to maligning not just other countries but also other religious groups; keep up the good work. It's amazing they never have revolted.









p.s. i saw on the news there were 8 bomb blasts in Assam the other day - probably you'll pin that on Muslims or ISI as well too; you've been trained to think and behave that way
I accept Maoists are mostly hindus. Even high caste hindus. But here I was referring to terrorism not maoism.
 
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I accept Maoists are mostly hindus. Even high caste hindus. But here I was referring to terrorism not maoism.

right! the indian rubric of anything relating to Islam as terrorism but then anything related to these naxal tribal militants (who number in the tens of thousands and who have claimed more indian lives than any other outfit) is just "ehhhhh" -- just another number

kya logic
 
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Fail,

At least India has acknowledged it, has taken the action. Across the border NATO has to take the action.

No brownie points given to Pakistanis, even if they have/will try to.

Rest of the world will see it more judiciously. India=1, Pakistan = 0

:P
 
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there is nothing called Hindu terrorism simply because we don't consider Hinduism as supreme thing in our lives.
 
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Contact with Hindus and Christians during our school/college years would be very beneficial to us Pakistanis and may open up our minds. The issue is however for some reason a lot of people in India remain communal despite this contact. I go out of the way to develop this contact. But a lot of Pakistanis in Pakistan may never have talked to or met a person of another religion in their lives. There is a relationship of bond-building between various communities when they share a land together. In any case I guess I am off-topic.

@Ayush you are right. I do not agree with you but still it is killing a countries reputation and then those citizens of Pakistan were attacked by no one other than your home grown fanatics. What about their compensation? Shouldn't Pakistani (useless) media be highlighting this in every nook and corner.

Furthermore a false allegation which is later proven wrong casts doubt on Mumbai incidents too... as Abu Zulfiqar said Karkare was killed, some terrorists spoke Marathi, Kasab spoke the deccan dialect which I can recognize anywhere (which no one from a village of Punjab would know-which I am 200% sure being a person who has studied demographics extensively)... so basically maybe we should have questioned the Mumbai attacks line played by India?

There have been counters and anti-counters, blame games etc.Pakistan has still not accepted ajmal as its citizen. But we are pretty sure about it. The thing is that you believe your country's version and I believe my country's version.

right! the indian rubric of anything relating to Islam as terrorism but then anything related to these naxal tribal militants (who number in the tens of thousands and who have claimed more indian lives than any other outfit) is just "ehhhhh" -- just another number

kya logic
Maoism is the biggest threat india faces.
But we don't call it terrorism, because they don't do it for religion, but for their rights and due to their oppression. So there is a difference.

Logic samajh me aaya?
 
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There is no logic when talking to your kind.

As for "brownie points" - we aren't looking for any. Just doing what's in our interests. Even NATO has acknowledged that Pakistan is doing so and in fact we are advising them on the reconciliation process
 
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there is nothing called Hindu terrorism simply because we don't consider Hinduism as supreme thing in our lives.

Some of your own seem to disagree on that - even serving ministers.

Mr Karkare was investigating cases of saffron terrorism prior to his "ill timed" death
 
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The spotlight on 'Hindu terror'

Shishir Gupta & Rajesh Ahuja, January 27, 2013

On Jan 16, 2009, joint secretary Dr KP Krishnan of the finance ministry received a letter from John Fennerty, Deputy Counselor in the US Embassy, informing the government that America on Feb 2 will move the UN Security Council to add five more names to the designated terrorists list. One of them was prominent Lashkar-e-Toiba terror financier Mohammed Arif Qasmani, blamed by the US for the July 11, 2006 Mumbai train serial blasts and the Feb 18, 2007 fire-bombing of Samjhauta Express at Panipat, Haryana.


There was a sense of relief among internal security managers after learning of Karachi-based Qasmani's involvement in the Samjhauta case. State police had hit a dead end and murmurs within the Intelligence Bureau (IB) about involvement of Right-wing radicals had gained strength. By then, the involvement of military intelligence officer Lt Colonel Srikant Prasad Purohit, former Akhil Bharati Vidyarthi Parishad-activist-turned-sanyasin Pragya Singh and other Hindu radicals in the Sept 29, 2008 Malegaon bombing had emergedwith investigators overcoming doubts of the top brass about so-called Hindu terrorists.

As the Samjhauta bombing had international ramifications - many victims were Pakistani - investigators questioned the CIA and FBI on Qasmani. While Washington has been silent to date about him, the National Investigation Agency (NIA) and IB finally managed to connect all dots in the Samjhauta case with the arrest of Rajendra Chaudhry aka Samandar on Dec 15, 2012 for allegedly planting one of the four bombs. His confession led to the detection of the Aug 7, 2001 shooting of Sister Leena Vellampuniyel of Nirmala Hospital in Ujjain, Madhya Pradesh (MP) by men on a motorcycle. NIA investigators say Samandar was an RSS activist.

A Hindu fundamentalist with a desire to drive Muslims out of India, Samandar along with Lokesh Sharma, Dhan Singh, Kamal Chauhan and Amit Chauhan formed the executing arm of the Right-wing extremist group led by Sunil Joshi, a former RSS zila pracharak in Mhow district. Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde's statement at the Congress Chintan Shivir in Jaipur this month that there is a need to keep a close eye on reports of Hindu terrorists being trained in BJP/RSS camps is perhaps based on revelations made by Samandar and other radicals in interrogations.

Shinde was substantiated by home secretary Raj Kumar Singh, who named Right-wing radicals allegedly associated with BJP/RSS and involved in terrorist attacks. RSS spokesman Ram Madhav blasted Singh for trying to influence investigations in terror cases. "How can Home Secretary read out a list of accused when final charge-sheets are still to be filed and trials have still not begun," Madhav said.

RSS leaders say that radicals like late Sunil Joshi were purged from the organisation in 2003, followed by Ramji Kalsangra, Sandeep Dange and Lokesh Sharma in the next two years. They deny involvement of the Sangh leadership with Right-wing terror while agreeing that some fringe radicals mutated towards direct action in response to terror incidents attributed to pan-Islamic jihadist groups like the Indian Mujahideen (IM), and radicalisation of Students Islamic Movement of India post Babri Masjid demolition and 2002 Gujarat riots.

Right-wing extremism did not emerge overnight. In 1999, a witness says, Sunil Joshi and associates experimented with detonators in an RSS office in Dungargaon, MP. In 2001 they shot the nun. Next year, they tried to plant IEDs at the Bhopal railway station to target Tablighi Jamaat members returning from an annual congregation. In Jan 2004, they were involved in a grenade attack at a mosque in Jammu where a high-ranking RSS functionary, under NIA's scanner in Right-wing terror cases, was active.

Between 2004 and 2006, mosques in Maharashtra were targeted with low-intensity IEDs. On April 6, 2006 an accidental blast in Nanded killed two Bajrang Dal activists - Himanshu Panse and Naresh Rajkondhwar - blowing the lid off the Maharashtra group. Then, on Sept 8, 2006, four bombs exploded outside a mosque in Malegaon, but the state police did not take notice of the common thread. Nine Muslims were arrested and charge-sheeted. What is worse is that there are common accused in the 2006 Malegaon and 2006 Mumbai train bombings.

After Malegaon, the Sunil Joshi group targetted the Samjhauta Express, Mecca Masjid (May 18, 2007) and Dargah Ajmer Sharif (Oct 11, 2007) in retaliation to the 2006 blast at Sankatmochan Mandir in Varanasi and the Mumbai train bombing by IM. While intelligence agencies and police were running around like headless chickens, Hindu and Islamic radicals were playing a deadly game of retribution. Responding to Joshi's Mecca Masjid blast, IM founder Riyaz Bhatkal bombed an eatery in Hyderabad on Aug 25, 2007. However, Devendra Gupta, an RSS pracharak in Jamtara in Jharkhand, gave the game away after SIM cards used in triggering bombs in Mecca Masjid and Ajmer Sharif were traced to him.

The RSS, which tried to weed out internal radicals after Pragya Singh's arrest in 2008, could not single out Gupta. While Congress and BJP have traded charges after Shinde's statement, the NIA has made it clear that apart from suspects associated with RSS, they do not have evidence lining terror attacks with Sangh leaders . This is not without reason as these radicals - with patrons like Swami Aseemanand and Swami Dayanand Pandey - were unhappy with RSS leaders for letting Hindutva down in the face of rising Islamic jihad in India.

Between March 3-15, 2008, Malegaon blast-accused Purohit met RSS Chief K.S. Sudarshan at Jabalpur to apprise him of Sangh national executive council member Indresh's involvement with Pakistan's ISI. As head of the radical Abhinav Bharat, Purohit told interrogators that Dayanand Pandey tasked him to kill Indresh. His associate Sameer Kulkarni wrote to Maharashtra police that Purohit wanted to assassinate RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat. It is clear from Pragya Singh's interrogation that along with Joshi, Purohit, Kalsangra, Dange, Aseemanand and others were running their terror enterprise exploiting Sangh connections, ashrams and offices. Joshi was allegedly shot by Samandar in Dewas on Dec 29, 2007 apparently over personal rivalries around the mastermind's relationship with Pragya.

With state assembly elections to MP, Chhattisgarh and Rajasthan this year, the Congress would like to pin BJP/RSS down on linkages with Right-wing terror. Both parties will use so-called Hindu terror to polarise voters for electoral gains in the build up to 2014 general elections. But the clincher will be the arrest of key absconders Kalsangra and Dange to complete the Hindu terror puzzle.

The spotlight on 'Hindu terror' - Hindustan Times
 
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Hindu terrorism becomes subtle reality

26 January 2013

Sushil Kumar Shinde, high-profile Home Minister of India, backed by ministry’s Secretary stated that BJP (Bharitiya Janata Party) the main opposition, Sang Parivar supported by its various sister concerns are involved in terrorism. While terrorism, generally, portrayed as "Muslim monopoly"; the Hindu terror groups involved in terrorism, according to the honorable Minister, victimized minorities in India who further stated that these terror groups ran training camps to promote Hindu terrorism by planting bombs and then blaming minorities for such crimes. (Reports Times of India: January 21, 2013)


The Home Minister Shinde put all fundamentalist forces on the back-foot as the charges leveled against them for terrorist activities, as stated, are based on evidences and glaringly visible gross human right violations by BJP backed Hindu terror groups. A few examples like Samjhota Express carnage, Modi’s Gujarat massacre, Bombay’s Thana-Biwindi, Babri Mosque of UP (Uttar Predesh) are on record to depict gory details of ruthlessness of these unchecked terrorist outfits.


Turning the pages of history, the imposed governor on Kashmir in 1989, Jagmohan Malhotra of Turkmangate notoriety, ruthlessly dealt with Muslims of Delhi, perhaps had a thorough read of Kashmir’s historical background and successfully copied what Maharaja Ranjit Singh did with Kashmir towards the beginning of 19th century. In order to encircle and establish political hegemony, Ranjit Singh encircled the valley by allotting land to his army to rehabilitate and keep an eye on the local population on permanent basis. He allotted land to his army and their families by selecting four corners, Shopian, Tral, Baramulla and Rangrett.


Jagmohan, using his formidable army might, after creating a fear psychosis amongst minority Pandit community, asked them to leave Kashmir en-masse so that he could get a free hand to deal with Muslims of Kashmir. The exodus of Pandits started and once they all reached their destination; Jagmohan ordered indiscriminate firing, at carefully selected places, simultaneously. The areas included Gaw Kadal, Habak Chowk, By-Pass road and Nowshehra killing hundreds. The policy of killing with impunity empowered by Indian draconian laws imposed on Kashmir continued even after he was succeeded by various other imposed governors.


Jagmohan had hoped to crush people to an extent that no one would raise the head thereafter as he was fed with wrong notions like Kashmiris being timid and receptive to harsh methods of treatment and taking liberties with them would go unnoticed. The right thinking people in India do realize that Jagmohan’s calculations were all wrong and the trust he reposed in a select group of white-collar Kashmiri bureaucrats misled him into taking actions based on inhumanity. Jagmohan, all Kashmiris believe, at some stage will be tried for his crimes in the International Court of Justice.


The follow up action of newly invented torture chambers, where methods of torture unknown world over, were used. Generally, young people snatched from houses, roads or raids based on whims and wishes were consumed in these torture chambers and torture victims disappeared in unidentified graves. Thousands of young men and women are unaccounted for and their family members are running from post to pillar to find a clue about their near and dear ones.


Scores of other Hindu militant organizations are controlled by minority Brahman elite busy looking for strategies and know-how within the country or abroad to marginalize minority communities to carve out a nation of a pure race. Though all minorities added up form a formidable majority outnumbering overall powerful minority, the military might having the same mindset allows these groups to become a law unto them.


All the minorities, it seems, have realized that unity among them is vitally important so that these dangerously poised terror groups are confronted politically to create an atmosphere for everyone in India to live peacefully.


The terror organization Shiv Sena (army of Shivaji, a warrior who fought a guerrilla war with Moguls) is at the root cause of troubles in India in general and Maharashtra State in particular as the organization controlled by xenophobic Thackeray family who thrive on venomous and spiteful propaganda against minorities especially Muslims. This extreme behavior towards minorities is the only qualification the leaders of the group possess as it allows them to control the minds of indoctrinated militant religious followers. These terror organizations or their mentors have no role or contribution in taking India to a stage where it is now.


Though officially the terror group does not have the mandate to govern Maharashtra; the old and new "Emperors of Hindu hearts" declare themselves the remote control chief Ministers of Maharashtra state. The terrorist organization is an alliance of BJP sharing the ideology of Hindutva having a common goal of getting rid of rest of the communities or allowing them only option of converting to Hinduism.


Thackerays following the footsteps of recently expired senior Thackery are the great admirers of Adolf Hitler and consider Hitler a "wonderful organizer" and boast of having a lot in common with der Führer branding him a "daredevil and an artist". The founder Bal Thackeray is quoted to have said "we need suicide bomb squads to protect India and Hindus and unite across linguistic barriers to see "a Hindustan for Hindus" and to "bring Islam in this country down to its knees."

Hindu terrorism becomes subtle reality : The Canadian National Newspaper
 
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