India: 8 police officers, including deputy SP, killed in encounter in Kanpur Uttar Pradesh

[Crystal-Clear]

The pig will be hunted down and then we will make a movie on the encounter. Pakistanis will line up to see the movie. The producers will rake in crores.

just like Dawood Ibrahim gt eliminated?

 

[Gul_Khan_Peshawar]

UP police should've used their SWAT team instead of sending in under-trained regular police with handguns and Lee-Enfields where the gangsters for sure would be fielding AK's. Even police in the US only send in SWAT teams for such ops despite the gun culture and most regular police being ex-military


UP Police SWAT Team

Donkey doesn't become a horse if you put a fancy sadle on it.

 

[Zarvan]

Le Enfields are still in use by Indian Police?
You sure you know what you are talking about? or just Steriotyping from 80s Hindi movies?
Pakistani Police use T-56 as standard issue (Variant of AKM), Along with MP5 and G3A3. Bolt Action rifles have been phased out here like more then 3 decades ago i believe.
I think Indian Police uses INSAS as standard issue not lee-enfields.

BTW that was simply bad Intel. The Police force involved in the operation is not to blame here. They went in with what intel was provided to them. And i am pretty sure Indian Police don't use En-Fields in 2020

Until few years ago they were using three not three. But now after Mumbai attacks they are retired but only to get replaced by another crap called SLR

 

[Zhukov]

Until few years ago they were using three not three. But now after Mumbai attacks they are retired but only to get replaced by another crap called SLR
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That SLR Looks like a FAL. FAL isn't a bad rifle at all

 

[Zarvan]

That SLR Looks like a FAL. FAL isn't a bad rifle at all

O sorry yes FAL

 

[Zhukov]

O sorry yes FAL

Its the same thing i Believe. FAL, L1A1, SLR. I am not sure there were two variants one Belgian original and other British Copy. Its pretty similar to German G3 which also has countless variants.
But on topic. Its strange Indian Army is using bolt Action rifles. I mean how would you use Bolt Action rifles in Modern Law Enforcement Environment.

 

[Zarvan]

Its the same thing i Believe. FAL, L1A1, SLR. I am not sure there were two variants one Belgian original and other British Copy. Its pretty similar to German G3 which also has countless variants.
But on topic. Its strange Indian Army is using bolt Action rifles. I mean how would you use Bolt Action rifles in Modern Law Enforcement Environment.

That was the reason Indian Police and its equipment was badly exposed in 2008 attack and sorry to say they still haven't learnt any lesson. Only good thing is that every province in India has raised SWAT force but regular Policeman is still very badly trained and equipped. Therefore in case of another Mumbai style attack by the time SWAT will reach the location damage will be done.

 

[Soumitra]

Ye Yogi Raj hai. The scumbags will be killed

'5,178 encounters since 2017': UP Police boasts of killing 103, injuring 1,859

https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2...olice-boasts-of-killing-103-injuring-1-8.html

 

[xeuss]

Imagine the outrage if the encounter was successful and the goonda was an Ansari or Khan.

The Liberals, Islamist and Pakistanis would be breastbeating about Islamophobia, how secularism is in danger, how innocent boys were named as terrorist. The latest news articles from The Wire would be circulating.

This is not a fantasy but a reality which happens every time. Need I remind you of Batla House encounter where Inspector Manoj Sharma lost his life and the conspiracy theories about it being a fake encounter.

So still no outrage eh?

After all...Vikas Dubey Brahmin hai...

 

[Soumitra]

So still no outrage eh?

After all...Vikas Dubey Brahmin hai...

I already told you - Sanghis don't care whether the criminal scum is Brahmin or Muslim. We will get him. If I know UP police under Yogi Adityanath he will have maybe 72 hours.

 

[xeuss]

I already told you - Sanghis don't care whether the criminal scum is Brahmin or Muslim. We will get him. If I know UP police under Yogi Adityanath he will have maybe 72 hours.

That is because Yogi wants to be the only goonda in UP.

If you haven't figured this out, you are deluded.

I know you are ideologically inclined towards one side, but you need to understand there is no ideology when it comes to money/power.

This is no about killing of criminals, this is about removing all obstacles to dominate the badlands of UP. Goondas existed because they used to extort money from businesses. Now the Yogi machinery wants all that protection money.

I know a person who works for Yogi's moneyman from Gorakhpur. The money they rake in now is astronomical. Builders line up to pay. This is a far cry when goondas used to make calls to extort money.

 

[Soumitra]

That is because Yogi wants to be the only goonda in UP.

If you haven't figured this out, you are deluded.

I know you are ideologically inclined towards one side, but you need to understand there is no ideology when it comes to money/power.

This is no about killing of criminals, this is about removing all obstacles to dominate the badlands of UP. Goondas existed because they used to extort money from businesses. Now the Yogi machinery wants all that protection money.

I know a person who works for Yogi's moneyman from Gorakhpur. The money they rake in now is astronomical. Builders line up to pay. This is a far cry when goondas used to make calls to extort money.

Good Keep on believing the worst of the Sanghis.

Please let me know where is his lavish mansion, luxury cars, statues like Mayawati?

Just because the people you support are corrupt you believe everyone is the same.

 

[Chanakyaa]

That is because Yogi wants to be the only goonda in UP.

If you haven't figured this out, you are deluded.

I know you are ideologically inclined towards one side, but you need to understand there is no ideology when it comes to money/power.

This is no about killing of criminals, this is about removing all obstacles to dominate the badlands of UP. Goondas existed because they used to extort money from businesses. Now the Yogi machinery wants all that protection money.

I know a person who works for Yogi's moneyman from Gorakhpur. The money they rake in now is astronomical. Builders line up to pay. This is a far cry when goondas used to make calls to extort money.

Well, It seems your Delusions are Biased.

First He is from Backward Caste.
Second, He is FULLY Supported by HINDUS of ALL Sections. AL means ALL of them. He is popular because of his System. a perfect example is how he managed Corona. 6000 Active cases in a State with 24 Crore Population.

Just look at his work in all prominent cities. Projects have been completed at a massive pace. This is from a Congress Supported paper :

https://www.hindustantimes.com/anal...nance-in-up/story-6RDrnRxCIL4BYAZs6N33jL.html

Lastly, unlike the "propaganda" for Muslims, NO HINDU has ANY SYMPATHY for Men like "Vikas Dubey".
You like it or not, some years ago another "Shukla" was Hunted and Killed, that too by BJP.

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/...ns-down-top-don-s.p.-shukla-827145-1998-10-05

Shukla or Dubeys dont matter for BJP. Neither Modi nor Yogi is a Brahmin.

 

[Soumitra]

Well, It seems your Delusions are Biased.

First He is from Backward Caste.
Second, He is FULLY Supported by HINDUS of ALL Sections. AL means ALL of them. He is popular because of his System. a perfect example is how he managed Corona. 6000 Active cases in a State with 24 Crore Population.

Just look at his work in all prominent cities. Projects have been completed at a massive pace. This is from a Congress Supported paper :

https://www.hindustantimes.com/anal...nance-in-up/story-6RDrnRxCIL4BYAZs6N33jL.html

Lastly, unlike the "propaganda" for Muslims, NO HINDU has ANY SYMPATHY for Men like "Vikas Dubey".
You like it or not, some years ago another "Shukla" was Hunted and Killed, that too by BJP.

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/...ns-down-top-don-s.p.-shukla-827145-1998-10-05

Shukla or Dubeys dont matter for BJP. Neither Modi nor Yogi is a Brahmin.

He doesn't understand it because he thinks that just as Muslims support all Muslims even if they are terrorists or goondas the Sanghis will support all brahmins

 

[Zapper]

Seems like the terrorist threat in Pakistan have caused to Police force to become armed to teeth like a paramilitary, Need of the hour. Here even cities like Faisalabad and Gujranwala where terrorist activities have been down to zero you will find Police stations filled with T-56 Rifles, Elite forces with MP5 and G3s. Indian Police not facing such threat like Taliban insurgency could afford not to.

I agree, except in states like UP, Bihar and to some extent in Mumbai...the rest of India doesn't see much gun violence or gangster culture which doesn't necessitate regular state police to be on the top of their armed game. Most police would've never fired a bullet during their service after completion of training

Anyways I am talking about bad Intel because i am aware of one such incident involving my friend in a Counter Terrorism Police Force.
They were given orders for a raid on a Terrorist hide out in a night time operation. They proceeded as ordered. Right before reaching their target just 10 minutes away. They were stopped by the Headquarters. And ordered to Hold.
Turned out that they were fed with wrong Intel. The hide out was well armed and hiding place for dangerous terrorists consisting of multiple houses instead of a single house facilitators and planning outpost as initially reported.
Timely Intel saved lives of servicemen as well as enabled the police to carefully lay out the successful operation with additional units and equipment like Cellphone Jammers, Night vision, Marksmen and Electricity Cutout of the Region, which led to complete neutralization of those pigs and arrest of many with zero police causality a few hours later.
Yes Execution is very vital for any operation,But mostly its all about Intel. The Forces just act as they are ordered.
Even the best of the best of our forces like the armed forces SSG Teams, can succumb to ambushes if Intel is faulty.

While intel definitely plays a crucial role, the SOP must be changed and police should start using SWAT teams for which they're specifically trained for. What is the point of developing something from scratch, training for years along with procurement of weaponry and gear when you don't use em during the time of need. Prior to 26/11, no state police had SWAT teams or Anti-Terrorist squads. Even the NSG had a single hub in Manesar from which they had to drive to Delhi and board a plane to Mumbai. Things have changed there after with NSG forming 5 major hubs across India and MARCOS teams being deployed in all major naval hubs with almost all state police forming a counter-terror or SWAT team.

In this case, intel has already been provided which is why 50 police entered into the ambush but police are usually not known to wear combat gear nor consistent training to encounter active-shooter scenario, that too encountering a number of gangsters who are armed to the teeth

That was the reason Indian Police and its equipment was badly exposed in 2008 attack and sorry to say they still haven't learnt any lesson. Only good thing is that every province in India has raised SWAT force but regular Policeman is still very badly trained and equipped. Therefore in case of another Mumbai style attack by the time SWAT will reach the location damage will be done.

These SWAT teams could only be deployed if the attack is in a major city where they're stationed. If it's a tier-II/III city...local police will be screwed pretty bad. But this particular case is entirely different and the casualties are due to poor planning, the police went in with the intention of arresting him but walked straight into an ambush