Increasing Muslim population dangerous for India

[Nicky G]

In time you will see such a person emerge from the same reformers who are simply setting the ground stable.

Seriously hope so, can you expand what ground work is being laid now?

I fear that Hindus have become too passive, such a thing will only be a reaction to another Kashmiri Pandit like situation in West Bengal or some other place. We need proactive people.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

I think u r wrong here. What Czar is saying is true. Most of middle class families in Bombay now Mumbai have one or 2 children maxmium.Of recent late marriages r quite a common thing. Accomodation is very expensive & so education. A good private school will charge yearly 90,000 to 1 lac as fees(1500$ to 1600$).Last week I was traveling by a local train. I came across a Muslim couple with 4 children. I began to wonder what kind of education & personal attention he would give to his family.

Higher education and standard of living raises expectation of parents and they have fewer children and give them the best that their money can buy. Poor people have less expectations and they live in poverty and don't need to spend money on their big family. If you give Indian Muslim education, jobs and then their expectation will increase for their children and they will also have fewer children.

 

[That Guy]

I think u r wrong here. What Czar is saying is true. Most of middle class families in Bombay now Mumbai have one or 2 children maxmium.Of recent late marriages r quite a common thing. Accomodation is very expensive & so education. A good private school will charge yearly 90,000 to 1 lac as fees(1500$ to 1600$).Last week I was traveling by a local train. I came across a Muslim couple with 4 children. I began to wonder what kind of education & personal attention he would give to his family.

The number of children don't determine what class you are, rather what class you are determines the number of children you have. Poorer families tend to have more children, because it increases the survival rate of the bloodline, and in the long term, gives the family more laborers to gain financially. Richer families tend to have less children because the kids probably have a secure future, and there is little need to have more than one or two.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Muslims should adopt family planning to prevent another Pakistan: Shiv Sena

IndiaToday.in New Delhi, April 15, 2015 | UPDATED 14:12 IST

In its latest editorial in the party mouthpiece Saamna, the Shiv Sena has said that the increasing population of the Muslim and Christian communities is dangerous for a Hindu country.

Referring to Sadhvi Deva Thakur's words that the population of these two communities should be controlled via vasectomy, the Saamna editorial defended her and said that maybe she wanted to say family planning.

The editorial said, "In the near future, the Muslim population of India will exceed the number of Muslims in Indonesia and Pakistan which will result in the cultural and social imbalance of a Hindu nation."

In order to contain the population of both the religions, vasectomy or family planning are the only solutions.

Taking a potshot at MIM chief Asaduddin Owaisi, the Saamna editorial said, "If Owaisi is so worried about his Muslim brothers then he should promote family planning among Muslims and should support the burkha system for women."

Taking the advice to Owaisi further, the editorial says, "A small family can eat properly and can prosper. A small family can also ensure good education for its children."

At the same time, the editorial also said that if the Muslim population continued to grow in the same way then it may lead to the formation of a new Pakistan which will not be able to provide a healthy, disease free lifestyle for the ever growing Muslim population.

The editorial also took on Samajwadi Party leader Azam Khan who had said that "Muslims have more children because they are poor." Slamming Azam Khan, the editorial says, "Muslims are poor because they have more children."

The editorial also asks the Muslim leaders to ask their community to adopt family planning and save the nation.

Read more at: Increasing Muslim population dangerous for India: Shiv Sena : India, News - India Today


Muslim birth rate in India is much higher than Hindu birth rate. Muslim population growth rate will transform the Indian political map. This will only strengthen Muslim and Pro-Muslim parties in India as provinces that were once majority Hindu will become majority Musulman.

It misses the point. The percentage will be 16.5% of India's total population. Including Ahmedis.
That is provided they continue to breed like now. Which is actually coming down.

That said, family planning must be practised by everyone. Our land is not increasing. Feeding multiple mouths - Hindus/Rastafarian/Mormon/Muslim is always an issue.

On average, Muslim families in India are having like 4-6 kids per family much higher than Hindu families. Decades from now you will see provinces like West Bengal become majority Muslim. Hindus will leave West Bengal as Muslim numbers grow and flourish there both from migration and birth rate, and it will become a majority Muslim province sharing a border with Muslim majority Bangladesh.

What a sick line of thinking. You assume that Hindus by nature are cowards and Muslims bullies.

And then what? What options are there? Kill like Putin? In Chechniya we see all of Russia muslims. They are concentrated in one spot thus easy to control.what about India, here they are spread and enjoy local support from Hindus too.

Human beings are capable of great inhumanity. The Direct Action was launched and the aim was to create a much larger Pakistan. What happened? Once this excess of self righteous morality is sidelined, Hindus/Buddhists/Sikhs will have far less qualms about regaining their ancestral lands. There won't be one, but a hundred Putins and a super Putin. The ground is being prepared.

 

[MilSpec]

India has and always will have more muslims than pakistan, Indian muslims are Indian first.

The bottom line is more muslims in India is blatant rejection of TNNT on which pakistan was built, and the muslims in India is a stark reminder to the same.

Shiv Sena, is now just a shadow of what it was envisaged to become when it started (not that the growth plan was any good to begin with), the days of Shakas of Shiv Sena is over, and they remain a relic of the 80's soon to be forgotten. Hope fully in the next assembly election, BJP can take over all it's seats..

 

[wiseone2]

On average, Muslim families in India are having like 4-6 kids per family much higher than Hindu families. Decades from now you will see provinces like West Bengal become majority Muslim. Hindus will leave West Bengal as Muslim numbers grow and flourish there both from migration and birth rate, and it will become a majority Muslim province sharing a border with Muslim majority Bangladesh.

If Muslims in India were to overtake the Hindus we would be looking at a population of 5-6 billion in India. India would collapse.

If Pakistan does not bring its birth rate down it will go the way of Somalia

 

[Indus Pakistan]

So, it might look like a racial undertone, but it is not. It is plain and simple reality and the sooner we deal with it, the better it will be. Lot of people are there in India today, irrespective of religion, who don't deem family planning to be a good thing. There may be religious sentiments attached to it, or they just don't want to change. Changing that thought process is the challenge here.

I am curious here. Are the Indian Muslims from Turkey? Are the Indian Muslims from Bosnia? In fact are these Punjabi Muslims from Pakistan. Or are they Pashtun Muslims from Pakistan? I don't think so. They are poor Indian Bihari, poor Indian Tamils, poor Indian Gujrati etc

I can't see how your bringing race into this. These are native Indian's who happen to be Muslim. If you decide to draw lines in society you can make all sort of deductions. You could for example say educated people versus uneducated. Rural versus urban and again you will notice differances emerging. Rural and poor people have higher birth rates.

For a so called secular country your doing a fine job of dividing your people up along religious lines. Frankly the way I see it you have over 200 million untouchables. how come your not making a drama about their lack of education and birth rates?

If Muslims in India were to overtake the Hindus we would be looking at a population of 5-6 billion in India. India would collapse.

If Pakistan does not bring its birth rate down it will go the way of Somalia

No, you jumped over one station.Before arriving in Somalia Pakistan will go first down to where India is. If it still does not arrest it's population growth then next stop Somalia.

Ps. Pak Punjab population is slowing down and indeed as other areas develop they will also slow down. This is normal historical and well documented pattern in developing countries.

 

[wiseone2]

I am curious here. Are the Indian Muslims from Turkey? Are the Indian Muslims from Bosnia? In fact are these Punjabi Muslims from Pakistan. Or are they Pashtun Muslims from Pakistan? I don't think so. They are poor Indian Bihari, poor Indian Tamils, poor Indian Gujrati etc

I can't see how your bringing race into this. These are native Indian's who happen to be Muslim. If you decide to draw lines in society you can make all sort of deductions. You could for example say educated people versus uneducated. Rural versus urban and again you will notice differances emerging. Rural and poor people have higher birth rates.

For a so called secular country your doing a fine job of dividing your people up along religious lines. Frankly the way I see it you have over 200 million untouchables. how come your not making a drama about their lack of education and birth rates?



No, you jumped over one station.Before arriving in Somalia Pakistan will go first down to where India is. If it still does not arrest it's population growth then next stop Somalia.

Ps. Pak Punjab population is slowing down and indeed as other areas develop they will also slow down. This is normal historical and well documented pattern in developing countries.

East Pakistani had a higher population than West Pakistan in 1971. In 2013 West Pakistan is 190 million. East Pakistan is 156 million.

Pakistan is in a bad shape economically. The actual numbers would be worse if not for the $$$ from America, China and Gulf States

 

[Indus Pakistan]

East Pakistani had a higher population than West Pakistan in 1971. In 2013 West Pakistan is 190 million. East Pakistan is 156 million.

Pakistan is in a bad shape economically. The actual numbers would be worse if not for the $$$ from America, China and Gulf States

You think so Wise One? Okay wise guy lets play a little game. First how do you define being in "bad shape economically?
How about starting with 'Roti' on the plate for the family? If you can't feed yourself we all agree you can't being doing too well economically?

Pakistan fares better than India on hunger index | Pakistan Today

Indian poverty levels higher than Pakistan's, says UN report - Telegraph

So India has more hungry and starving people in percentage and absolute numbers then Pakistan. So what does "bad shape economically" mean to you when your children and family are starving?

Even if the Indian's can feed themselves they than have another problem? Where to discharge the waste? Half of them then Sh*tz in the open streets. Although frankly these Indian are lucky because they can discharge, the other poor fellows can't evenndo that cause they have not got any food to eat?

WHO | Fast facts

 

[wiseone2]

You think so Wise One? Okay wise guy lets play a little game. First how do you define being in "bad shape economically?
How about starting with 'Roti' on the plate for the family? If you can't feed yourself we all agree you can't being doing too well economically?

Pakistan fares better than India on hunger index | Pakistan Today

Indian poverty levels higher than Pakistan's, says UN report - Telegraph

So India has more hungry and starving people in percentage and absolute numbers then Pakistan. So what does "bad shape economically" mean to you when your children and family are starving?

Even if the Indian's can feed themselves they than have another problem? Where to discharge the waste? Half of them then Sh*tz in the open streets. Although frankly these Indian are lucky because they can discharge, the other poor fellows can't evenndo that cause they have not got any food to eat?

WHO | Fast facts

Pakistan is on borrowed money - first it was America, then it was Gulf and now is China

 

[Supply&Demand]

On average, Muslim families in India are having like 4-6 kids per family much higher than Hindu families. Decades from now you will see provinces like West Bengal become majority Muslim. Hindus will leave West Bengal as Muslim numbers grow and flourish there both from migration and birth rate, and it will become a majority Muslim province sharing a border with Muslim majority Bangladesh.

Typical of muslims..

hindus and chrisitans choose not to have large families so that they can take care of their kids better. And most muslim families want the govt to take care of the kids..if not send send the extra kids to madrassah

I would rather live in Christian India than a muslim one...but not to worry..if history is any proof..muslims will kill themselves off..

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Pakistan is on borrowed money - first it was America, then it was Gulf and now is China

I would disagree with that however even if your contention is true is that better than this?

Half of your country craps on the street WHO | Fast facts

230 million Indian's are in advanced state of starvation - That is more then whole of population of Pakistan.

India is still world's hunger capital

Does India want to be Superpower? It already is - Hunger Superpower

Superpower? 230 million Indians go hungry daily - The Times of India

Starving babies in India or barrow money ? You can eat and sh*t. now think about all those Indians who can't even sh*t ?

 

[A1Kaid]

Significant demographic shifts in West Bengal and Assam.

2011 Census data shows in many districts of Assam, Bengal they are in a maority
The religion data findings of Census 2011 show exponential growth in Muslim population of Bangladeshi origin over the last census in several districts across Assam and West Bengal.

The data was complied last week by the Office of Registrar General of India (RGI) and the Census Commissioner. It shows 5-7 percentage point increase in absolute terms of Bangladeshi Muslim population over the 2001 census data in nearly all districts of Assam and West Bengal bordering Bangladesh, sources told dna.

So, how many Bangladeshi Muslims are there?
"In most districts of Assam and West Bengal bordering Bangladesh, their population has either become majority or threatening to become majority. The uniform increase of 5-7 percent clearly shows illegal migration has remained unchecked during the last decade," a source said.

How's the new demographic changing politics?

The All India United Democratic Front of Badruddin Ajmal, said to be supported by Bangladeshi Muslims, won three seats – Karimganj, Dhubri and Barpeta – in the LS elections. Incidentally, Muslim population is the highest in these places.

Bangladeshi Muslim population grows 5-7% in Assam and West Bengal | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis


With the help of demographic shifts the AIUDF was able to pick up three seats in Lok Sabha.

 

[A1Kaid]

Pakistan is on borrowed money - first it was America, then it was Gulf and now is China

Not at all, Pakistan is propped up on it's economy, both the official economy and black economy and the billions of remittance annually. Under the current government Pakistan's economy has stabilized and is growing.

 

[Shamain]

'Dangerous', Just like when the Mughals ruled the sub continent right, that dangerous? when they bought more wealth to the country and created gems like the taj mahal. Soo dangerous.

Not dangerous its dangerful

India has and always will have more muslims than pakistan, Indian muslims are Indian first.

The bottom line is more muslims in India is blatant rejection of TNNT on which pakistan was built, and the muslims in India is a stark reminder to the same.

Shiv Sena, is now just a shadow of what it was envisaged to become when it started (not that the growth plan was any good to begin with), the days of Shakas of Shiv Sena is over, and they remain a relic of the 80's soon to be forgotten. Hope fully in the next assembly election, BJP can take over all it's seats..

If u had iota of shame u wouldnt have written this gibberish.
Tnt still stands firm on its feet. Those who wished to destroy it went to their graves with their unfulfilled wishes, yes indira gandhi ,the rest in ur top gov echelons who have been working like rabid dogs to do this will also meet same fate.
If two nation theory was so weak thn why bangladesh never got absorbed in india despite indias deperate attempts to take over it. And although india has taken it over as a colony but thats due to bloody awami league.
Once kicked off the spot for good ,bangla will see the future growing out of indian gloom.
And as of greater size muslim population.
Pakistan alongwith east pakistan had the highest muslim population in world. If someone who makes that sort of statement 'as indian muslims are greater in number'etc is seemingly acting purposefully ignorant.
Thridly, indian muslims are the most poorest and uneducated community alongside dalits. Dont tell me thats not true.
Now muh of the outer world knows.