Incompetent Indian commandos killed the Jews

[Ali.009]

Incompetent Indian commandos killed the Jews in Mumbai Chabad House​

Pure unadulterated Anti-Semitism is rampant in India today. The BJP, VHP, Mr. Adhvani and Mr. Modi are all Hitler admireres. However the Israeli government has close ties with the govenment of India.

Speaking by phone from Mumbai, Haim Weingarten, the head of the Mumbai ZAKA team, said, “Based on what I saw, [although] I can’t identify the type of bullets in the bodies [of the victims], I don’t think the terrorists killed all the hostages, to put it gently.” Jerusalem Post

it took the MARCOS commandos three chopper trips to be dropped like dead Turkeys on the rooftop of the Chabad House. Hindu Anti-Semitism: Indian Commandos ignore & kill Jews? Deep rooted hatred of Jews in Gujarat & India. Rupee News broke the story of the incompetence of the crack Indian commandos call MARCOS and the Black Cats. We also reported the story of the Indian Commandos first delaying their entrance into the Chabad Center, then killing the Jews and finally covering up their tracks. Now the story is also been corroporated by the Zaka Rescue group that had flown in from Turkey to assist the Jewish hostages.

As a BBC report notes, at least some of the Mumbai attackers were not Indian and certainly not Muslim.Pappu Mishra, a cafe proprietor at the gothic Victorian Chattrapati Shivaji Terminus railway station, described “two sprightly young men dressed in black” with AK47s who were “foreign looking, fair skinned.”Gaffar Abdul Amir, an Iraqi tourist from Baghdad, saw at least two men who started the firing outside the Leopold Cafe. “They did not look Indian, they looked foreign. One of them, I thought, had blonde hair. The other had a punkish hairstyle. They were neatly dressed,” Amir told the BBC. Mumbai Terror Attack: Further Evidence of the Anglo-American-Mossad-RSS Nexus BY AMARESH MISRA

One Police officer who encountered the gunmen as they entered the Jewish Center (Nariman House) said the attackers were white. “I went into the building late last night” he said. “I got a shock because they were white. I was expecting them to look like us. They fired three shots. I fired 10 back”. Yogo Sikand and Amaresh Misra

The picture below is very revealing. To the untrained eye, the soldier is showing professionalism by hangin on to the rope. In actuality, the picutre displays total incompetence.

1) The chopper should not be used in a situaion where the soldiers can get to the top of the building by other means.

2) The man is literally hanging on to the rope. It is not a controlled descent.

3) Coming down the rope is a complex matter which requires intensive training. This commandos who dropped on the top fo the Chabad House were untrained. Please note the dangling feet of the commandos. They are supposed to be tightly wrapped aound the boot of the commando so that he controls his fall not only with his hands but also wit his feel.

4) After repeatedly watching the video of the commandos dropping on the roof of the Chabad House we saw the India commandos literally drop by force of gravity and were literally hangin on to the ropes without any control.

5) An experienced commando has stop his fall on the rope at any time. These commndos just dropped showing a total lack of training.

This PR exercise was very revealing not only about the state of the Indian nation, but also about the readiness of the Indian armed forces, particularly the commandos who are supposed to the elite.

On Monday, a morgue employee at the JJ hospital who had also seen the bodies told the Post by telephone that the bodies of the Jewish victims had a higher number of gunshot wounds than the bodies of other victims.

“On the Jewish bodies, there were more injuries in numbers, they were firearms injuries,” the morgue official said. Jerusalem Post. Dec 3, 2008 0:44 | Updated Dec 3, 2008 1:24
Mumbai doctor finds no signs of torture on Chabad House bodies

Any shot by mistake by commandos? Millions saw a white shirt, perhaps a tallis, waved in a window, hours before the Indian commandos ended their 12-hour assault in this small building, and apparently found all hostages killed. Any professional has to wonder how many of the hostages died at the hands of the brutal terrorists, and if any were mistakenly killed by some of the shooting from outside (we all saw some Indian policemen firing randomly into the building), as happened at Entebee. This will all be covered up. I do hope the Indian public demands a more rapid and more professional response in future acts of terror. Sam - (12/03/2008 22:54)

The embarressed Indian establishment and the already chagrined Israeli government is up in arms (Foreign Ministry furious at Zaka’s Mumbai ‘meddling’ Says public criticism of Indian commandos could have serious diplomatic repercussions). It had wanted to keep the story of the indexterity, undeftness, ineptitude of the Indian commandos under wraps. This was not to be. Now the truth is out. Indian commandos killed the Jews.

Commandos killed Jews, says Israeli rescue group By Jawed Naqvi. NEW DELHI, Dec 2: A private rescue group from Israel has claimed that Indian commandos inadvertently killed some of the hostages in the terror attacks in Mumbai, and the claim has evidently embarrassed both governments, news reports said on Tuesday.

“Based on what I saw, (although) I can’t identify the type of bullets in the bodies (of the victims), I don’t think the terrorists killed all the hostages, to put it gently,” Mr Haim Weingarten, head of the six-member team of Zaka voluntary organisation dealing with rescue and recovery, told The Jerusalem Post.

Press Trust of India said from Jerusalem that the claim had embarrassed the Israeli government, which is worried about its fallout on ties with the Indian government.

According to PTI, Mr Weingarten told the Post from Mumbai that all the six Jewish and Israeli hostages found dead in the Chabad House were killed by either gunshot wounds or shrapnel from grenade blasts, or both, and that he didn’t know who threw or fired the grenades that wounded the hostages. Reports from Jerusalem Post and Pakistani Dawn

Many Israelis feel that it is reprehensible that the India’s Government would not provide any security to the Chabad Center in Mumbai. Was Anti-Jewishness responsible for the lack of security at the Niraman House.

-Israeli counterterrorism experts are critical of how Indian security forces handled last week’s terror attacks in Mumbai, especially their raid on the local Chabad center, Nariman House. Haaretz

-Above all, the attack is a “huge failure of the Indian defence establishment, surprised in the heart of their financial capital Jerusalem Post

-“In hostage situations, the forces are supposed to first assemble at the scene and begin collecting intelligence. In this case, it appears that the forces showed up at the scene and immediately began exchanging fire with the terrorists instead of first taking control of the area,” noted a former official in the Shin Bet’s security unit in The Jerusalem Post.

-Shin Bet is Israel’s general internal security agency, while more famous Mossad handles overseas intelligence. Haaretz, another major Israeli newspaper, noted how in the first several hours after the Mumbai incidents, the response of the Indian authorities was “slow, confused and inefficient”. As a result, the first forces sent to the scene were “inexperienced local police officers, who suffered many casualties”.

Onlookers at the Nariman House were allowed to watch from a few feet away, hampering police operations. A night counterattack was nixed, reportedly because it was too dark: The attackers had night-vision goggles, the police didn’t.

Conventional theory suggests that commandos move quickly once there’s indication that hostages are in imminent danger in hopes of getting at least a few out alive. Yet days passed until, in the end, all hostages at the center were killed.

“You can wait, but you use that wait to engage the terrorists and plan,” said Yoram Schweitzer, an international terrorism expert at Tel Aviv’s Institute for National Security Studies. “Then you engage them quickly, with shock — prepare for a maximum one- to two-minute strike.“LA Times. November 30th, 2008

Although lacking forensic tools to determine the time of death, Mr Weingarten was quoted as saying that his team’s observations led him to believe that “some of the hostages were killed on Wednesday (when gunmen first entered the building), some on Thursday, and some on Friday morning (during the start of the commando raid)”.

Zaka officials believe that in a final act of love, the director of the Chabad House, Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg, wrapped the body of his wife Rivka in a tallit (prayer shawl) before succumbing to his own wounds during the final hours of the siege, it said.

The volunteers on the scene found the bodies of Israeli grandmother Yocheved Orpaz (62) and Jewish Mexican national Norma Shvarzblat Rabinovich (50) bound to one another with a phone cord.

Meanwhile, the Indian foreign ministry held a briefing “to convey the deepest condolences of the Government of India to those countries whose nationals were killed in the terrorist attack in Mumbai.” Heads of mission from these countries were present in the briefing. “They were also informed of details of the terrorist attack and the investigation so far,” the ministry said.

Possibly following the briefing, the Israeli government slammed the Zaka group for alleging that Indian commandos might have inadvertently killed one or more Jewish hostages during the Nariman House operation, saying the “irresponsible” comments could cause considerable damage to bilateral ties.

“They are causing all kinds of problems,” a senior Israeli foreign ministry official said about the six-member team of the Zaka voluntary group that flew on Thursday “on its own volition” to Mumbai for a rescue operation after the deadly terror strikes.

“They are selling all kinds of stories to journalists looking for stories, and taking credit for things they didn’t do,” the official told The Jerusalem Post. It remains a mystery why India has allowed a clearly unauthorised group from Israel to carry out its self-styled rescue at the site of a mind-boggling crime. Usually such sensitive sites are sealed off to visitors till official investigations are underway. Reports from Jerusalem Post (Jerusalem Post - Jerusalem, Author: HERB KEINON, Date: Dec 2, 2008) and Pakistani Dawn

Both the Isreali government and the Indian government are tight lipped about the fiasco and many talk of a coverup.

“Based on what I saw, (although) I can’t identify the type of bullets in the bodies (of the victims), I don’t think the terrorists killed all the hostages, to put it gently,” Mr Haim Weingarten, head of the six-member team of Zaka voluntary organisation dealing with rescue and recovery, told The Jerusalem Post.

Press Trust of India said from Jerusalem that the claim had embarrassed the Israeli government, which is worried about its fallout on ties with the Indian government.

According to PTI, Mr Weingarten told the Post from Mumbai that all the six Jewish and Israeli hostages found dead in the Chabad House were killed by either gunshot wounds or shrapnel from grenade blasts, or both, and that he didn’t know who threw or fired the grenades that wounded the hostages. Indian Commandos killed Jews, says Israeli rescue group

The chopper hovering over a two story building makes great news feed, however it adds no value to the any hostage rescue. The choppers are too noisy and give ample warning to the hostage taking criminals. Security analysts believe that a better approach would have been to try to engage the hostage takers and then storm the small building by stealthily and silently climbing on to the roof of the building. It took the commandos 12 hours to strom the building. Why did it take so long?

Though the hotels are huge, the Jewish center is located in a five-story building, known as Nariman House, which should have made for a far easier recovery operation. When commandos were dropped on the roof Saturday morning by helicopter, the craft made three sorties, removing any element of surprise.

“These are Jews,” Sahni said. “It’s very clear they were not going to be allowed to live by these people. This tiny building should’ve been taken in the first few minutes.”

Onlookers at the Nariman House were allowed to watch from a few feet away, hampering police operations. A night counterattack was nixed, reportedly because it was too dark: The attackers had night-vision goggles, the police didn’t. LA Times. November 30th, 2008. Systemic failure seen in India’s response to attacks, 6:40 PM PST, November 30 2008

 

[UnitedPak]

Nice work. This is priceless.

 

[shchinese]

next time they should actually send their commandos to Pakistan/China for some real training.

 

[zombie]

the islamic terrorists went there to convert?

 

[shchinese]

the islamic terrorists went there to convert?

you mean your commandos are islamic terrorists? that is not good.

 

[Awesome]

In all fairness if the commandos killed them in some friendly fire, you can't blame them. The real crime was the hostage taking. The commandos must have done their best.

 

[Keysersoze]

In all fairness if the commandos killed them in some friendly fire, you can't blame them. The real crime was the hostage taking. The commandos must have done their best.

Asim the whole point of HRT's is that they are supposed to train NOT to kill civilians. the Op was a joke from a professional standpoint.

 

[donrahul]

er? What reasons do u have to come to such a conclusion that the operation was a joke? I am sure, you saw the commandos, descending frm the helicopters.. Your conclusion came based on their style of descent from the Helicopter? or the way they crouched behind cars for cover?

 

[Awesome]

Asim the whole point of HRT's is that they are supposed to train NOT to kill civilians. the Op was a joke from a professional standpoint.

Incompetency was there. I mean I just like to point out one thing. That during the Lal masjid operation about 200 terrorists were flushed out within 8 hours with 70 killed. In Mumbai about 10 terroists took almost 3 days and 163 dead, for the commandos.

But still you can't BLAME them for killing the Jews. I think the tactical mistake they made was to pussyfoot between going soft on them in the beginning. Maybe they wanted to save lives. But the more they prolonged it more lives were lost.

Let's just put it this way, the commandos should be given a break. They probably intended better.

 

[Keysersoze]

er? What reasons do u have to come to such a conclusion that the operation was a joke? I am sure, you saw the commandos, descending frm the helicopters.. Your conclusion came based on their style of descent from the Helicopter? or the way they crouched behind cars for cover?

Well simple really.....One why was the helo used? The way they breached...the way they room cleared the hotels. the way they sealed off the areas. The time it took to get organised. The way the chief got killed ON THE WAY TO THE scene. And finally they way they cleared the hotel.

Oh and take a look a the footage of the guys coming down form the helo here. Does that look like a fast breach to anyone? they guys are hanging about on the roof. Meanwhile the guys inside know something is about to happen.......when you hit places like that speed is the key......I'd say it looked mickey mouse.

BBC NEWS | World | South Asia | Commandos enter Mumbai building

 

[Keysersoze]

Incompetency was there. I mean I just like to point out one thing. That during the Lal masjid operation about 200 terrorists were flushed out within 8 hours with 70 killed. In Mumbai about 10 terroists took almost 3 days and 163 dead, for the commandos.

But still you can't BLAME them for killing the Jews. I think the tactical mistake they made was to pussyfoot between going soft on them in the beginning. Maybe they wanted to save lives. But the more they prolonged it more lives were lost.

Let's just put it this way, the commandos should be given a break. They probably intended better.

Asim good HRT's can go into a room full of civilians and take out specific targets. But as you can see they were fannying around.

 

[shchinese]

er? What reasons do u have to come to such a conclusion that the operation was a joke? I am sure, you saw the commandos, descending frm the helicopters.. Your conclusion came based on their style of descent from the Helicopter? or the way they crouched behind cars for cover?

the conclusion comes from the fact that the "commandos" failed to eliminate those terrorists in the first 3 DAYS.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Keys,

In that BBC video, there seems to be a building adjacent to the roof that the commandos dropped onto (in fact it seems there are buildings adjacent on both sides).

Wouldn't a ladder from that terrace/balcony on the adjacent buildings, or even ropes been, a lot quieter and faster?

 

[donrahul]

the conclusion comes from the fact that the "commandos" failed to eliminate those terrorists in the first 3 DAYS.

Yawn.

 

[Awesome]

I think the media screwed things up for the commandos too.

I mean they are showing the commandos landing from the choppers. How stupid, someone must've informed them about it.