Inappropriate for India to connect terrorism with Pakistan: Chinese media

[Joe Shearer]

Yes , add to that 300 Kashmirs being blind by Indian forces...Yet to observe its use some where else in india..

Yet to observe ISI funding on that scale anywhere else in India.

Both india and pakistan should now stopped.blaming game and come up with talk for solution. They both gain nothing in blaming eachother. May be after nawaz and modi things get better.

Some of us will be happy with after Modi. We coped with your Prime Ministers, we coped with your Chief Martial Law Administrators, and we will deal with whatever there is in future, once our own house is in order. The thing is to get our own house in order.

 

[H!TchHiker]

Not one removed by our courts from office. You still have a long way to go.

Rule of Law should be appreciated , even if PM has to go...Might be Indian court is of the opinion that the collective conscience of the society will not be satisfied if they punished ...Who knows...
Indeed we do have long way to go in upholding the rule of law ..No doubt in it

Yet to observe ISI funding on that scale anywhere else in India.



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Mashallah...You spoke like a Bakht now....Does ISI funding justify to blind un armed civilians and mostly kids too..

 

[Joe Shearer]

Rule of Law should be appreciated , even if PM has to go...Might be Indian court is of the opinion that the collective conscience of the society will not be satisfied if they punished ...Who knows...
Indeed we do have long way to go in upholding the rule of law ..No doubt in it

That was honest and straightforward, and I read it with respect.

Regarding Indian courts - I write this with all seriousness and intent to address your point - there were many attempts made to seek a judicial review of the breakdown of the Chief Minister's duty to uphold the Constitution and the rule of law. It went to the extent that an exasperated Supreme Court appointed a Special Investigation Team to look into a barrage of accusations about a sitting Chief Minister. That SIT, to our utter surprise, reported - and the wording is very, very nuanced - that there was insufficient material to prepare an arraignment.

Bhakts have interpreted as a 'not guilty'; since there was no arraignment, the charges were never examined in a legal proceeding, and the SIT report merely means that they couldn't find enough evidence.

Mashallah...You spoke like a Bakht now....Does ISI funding justify to blind un armed civilians and mostly kids too..

No, it does not.

 

[H!TchHiker]

That was honest and straightforward, and I read it with respect.

Regarding Indian courts - I write this with all seriousness and intent to address your point - there were many attempts made to seek a judicial review of the breakdown of the Chief Minister's duty to uphold the Constitution and the rule of law. It went to the extent that an exasperated Supreme Court appointed a Special Investigation Team to look into a barrage of accusations about a sitting Chief Minister. That SIT, to our utter surprise, reported - and the wording is very, very nuanced - that there was insufficient material to prepare an arraignment.

Bhakts have interpreted as a 'not guilty'; since there was no arraignment, the charges were never examined in a legal proceeding, and the SIT report merely means that they couldn't find enough evidence.



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Had it been in court , the Circumstantial evidence might have played out some role as in one other famous case..Since the legal processing has not been initiated the smoke will remain in air i believe..

No, it does not.

It does no where it justify PA to blind me or my brother if my father is persuaded to take money from RAW ...Same applied to the Kashmiri people ...Even if some of political leader do involved in money game it doesn't justify the brutal action to "country own civilians"...Or the state apparatus has different sense of handling w.r.t to area and geography..

 

[Joe Shearer]

Had it been in court , the Circumstantial evidence might have played out some role as in one other famous case..Since the legal processing has not been initiated the smoke will remain in air i believe..

Unfortunately, even circumstantial evidence was not of a useful nature. Telling the story of the drama around the judicial proceedings in those days will take a full-scale book. It will not make pleasant reading.

 

[H!TchHiker]

Unfortunately, even circumstantial evidence was not of a useful nature. Telling the story of the drama around the judicial proceedings in those days will take a full-scale book. It will not make pleasant reading.

But this will continue to haunt Indian judicial system , which otherwise believed to be best in SA at least..

 

[Joe Shearer]

Had it been in court , the Circumstantial evidence might have played out some role as in one other famous case..Since the legal processing has not been initiated the smoke will remain in air i believe..


It does no where it justify PA to blind me or my brother if my father is persuaded to take money from RAW ...Same applied to the Kashmiri people ...Even if some of political leader do involved in money game it doesn't justify the brutal action to "country own civilians"...Or the state apparatus has different sense of handling w.r.t to area and geography..

A good argument, but that addresses only part of the picture.

The money is spent on organising demonstrations; so many rupees per head (the leaders get a lump sum rate, retain some of it, and pass on the rest of the money in a chain, ending with local organisers, sufficient for their personal consumption and for doling out). The rate is higher or lower depending on the action sought. Even the children at the head of a crowd, running up and shying a stone. That is one part of it: it isn't the heads of the factions who take money alone.

Now please watch videos, plentifully available on the 'net, especially on YouTube. You will see the utmost restraint observed by security forces. The breaking moment comes either when individual security men (please note that these are never the Army, these mob control weapons are handed out to policemen, either local policemen - rare - or central policemen) are isolated by a mob, or are trapped in the lanes and byways of a densely built-up locality. That is when the damage is done; used against a crowd, the spread of shot ensures that a broad lens of targets is affected, including people standing at the edges. Used in a crowded dwelling place, again, the spread may go where not intended, harming uninvolved people.

Pellet guns are used only in J&K because nowhere else is there such organised and very heavily funded unrest. You will be shocked at the estimates of money being spent on subsidising 'dissent' in J&K.

In other restless areas, these central policemen are fully armed and shoot to kill. And, in turn, they are attacked and killed. Those are Naxals, who want to impose an autocratic rule on the entire country, overthrowing the constitution. I am against human rights violations, but I am against them when committed by so-called dissidents as much as I oppose them when committed by the agents of the state. As for the armed micro-rebellions in the north-east, those have to be resolved by patient, accommodative actions by both the local state government and the centre; these are individual tribes that fear loss of territory and marginalisation, and have taken the example of the Nagas and the Mizos too seriously.

But this will continue to haunt Indian judicial system , which otherwise believed to be best in SA at least..

<sigh!> Tell me about it. I hope you are keeping up with the increasing irritation of the bench with the administration and its weird ways.

Next is the packing of the bench with Sanghis. It's coming, as sure as God made little green apples.

 

[H!TchHiker]

A good argument, but that addresses only part of the picture.

The money is spent on organising demonstrations; so many rupees per head (the leaders get a lump sum rate, retain some of it, and pass on the rest of the money in a chain, ending with local organisers, sufficient for their personal consumption and for doling out). The rate is higher or lower depending on the action sought. Even the children at the head of a crowd, running up and shying a stone. That is one part of it: it isn't the heads of the factions who take money alone.

Now please watch videos, plentifully available on the 'net, especially on YouTube. You will see the utmost restraint observed by security forces. The breaking moment comes either when individual security men (please note that these are never the Army, these mob control weapons are handed out to policemen, either local policemen - rare - or central policemen) are isolated by a mob, or are trapped in the lanes and byways of a densely built-up locality. That is when the damage is done; used against a crowd, the spread of shot ensures that a broad lens of targets is affected, including people standing at the edges. Used in a crowded dwelling place, again, the spread may go where not intended, harming uninvolved people.

Pellet guns are used only in J&K because nowhere else is there such organised and very heavily funded unrest. You will be shocked at the estimates of money being spent on subsidising 'dissent' in J&K.

In other restless areas, these central policemen are fully armed and shoot to kill. And, in turn, they are attacked and killed. Those are Naxals, who want to impose an autocratic rule on the entire country, overthrowing the constitution. I am against human rights violations, but I am against them when committed by so-called dissidents as much as I oppose them when committed by the agents of the state. As for the armed micro-rebellions in the north-east, those have to be resolved by patient, accommodative actions by both the local state government and the centre; these are individual tribes that fear loss of territory and marginalisation, and have taken the example of the Nagas and the Mizos too seriously.



<sigh!> Tell me about it. I hope you are keeping up with the increasing irritation of the bench with the administration and its weird ways.

Next is the packing of the bench with Sanghis. It's coming, as sure as God made little green apples.

Comparison of Naxal insurgency with riots in Kashmir (in crowd context that is not armed) seems not justified..I've seen videos though sometime i believe shouldn't bully individual soldier that irks them..But more of a better analogy will be with what happened at riots in South during recent months..Violent crowd but handled in a better way...There are better techniques in modern world to handle a mob then use of pellet ..
Might be i am wrong but either there was no protest or pellet was not used during congress rule...
Lets assume my brother is blinded by forces ...Now next time i don't need money to throw stone on them..My inner hatred would justify any action against them...
State does not react ....It should act instead to eliminate the reason causing riots...

A good argument, but that addresses only part of the picture.

The money is spent on organising demonstrations; so many rupees per head (the leaders get a lump sum rate, retain some of it, and pass on the rest of the money in a chain, ending with local organisers, sufficient for their personal consumption and for doling out). The rate is higher or lower depending on the action sought. Even the children at the head of a crowd, running up and shying a stone. That is one part of it: it isn't the heads of the factions who take money alone.

Now please watch videos, plentifully available on the 'net, especially on YouTube. You will see the utmost restraint observed by security forces. The breaking moment comes either when individual security men (please note that these are never the Army, these mob control weapons are handed out to policemen, either local policemen - rare - or central policemen) are isolated by a mob, or are trapped in the lanes and byways of a densely built-up locality. That is when the damage is done; used against a crowd, the spread of shot ensures that a broad lens of targets is affected, including people standing at the edges. Used in a crowded dwelling place, again, the spread may go where not intended, harming uninvolved people.

Pellet guns are used only in J&K because nowhere else is there such organised and very heavily funded unrest. You will be shocked at the estimates of money being spent on subsidising 'dissent' in J&K.

In other restless areas, these central policemen are fully armed and shoot to kill. And, in turn, they are attacked and killed. Those are Naxals, who want to impose an autocratic rule on the entire country, overthrowing the constitution. I am against human rights violations, but I am against them when committed by so-called dissidents as much as I oppose them when committed by the agents of the state. As for the armed micro-rebellions in the north-east, those have to be resolved by patient, accommodative actions by both the local state government and the centre; these are individual tribes that fear loss of territory and marginalisation, and have taken the example of the Nagas and the Mizos too seriously.



<sigh!> Tell me about it. I hope you are keeping up with the increasing irritation of the bench with the administration and its weird ways.

Next is the packing of the bench with Sanghis. It's coming, as sure as God made little green apples.

How? can president go against the recommendation of collegium ?

 

[elf]

India first provoke Pakistani's to attack on its territory, like skirmishes on the border, so that in the "drama of retaliation" so called their "cold Start Doctrine" they attack on Pakistan. They find any reason to attack on Pakistan but Pakistan is not giving him the chance to attack.
And these non state actors, which are provoked by the Indian attacks, are actually the puppets of India, India train them, supply them weapons and using them against Pakistan. Since the inception of Pakistan India is doing such dramas and blaming Pakistan for promoting terrorism...

India first provoke Pakistani's to attack on its territory, like skirmishes on the border, so that in the "drama of retaliation" so called their "cold Start Doctrine" they attack on Pakistan. They find any reason to attack on Pakistan but Pakistan is not giving him the chance to attack.
And these non state actors, which are provoked by the Indian attacks, are actually the puppets of India, India train them, supply them weapons and using them against Pakistan. Since the inception of Pakistan India is doing such dramas and blaming Pakistan for promoting terrorism...

 

[El Sidd]

Terrorism and the struggle for freedom cannot be equated.

India's blind insistence on using terrorism as an extension of its foreign policy will come back to haunt them at the appropriate time.

 

[MagicMarker]

That's right.

Every time I think china cannot possibly sink any lower, they surprise me with a new act of hypocracy.

Its about time china learns that Olympic medals and shiny cities do not bring you respect. Its how you conduct yourself that gets your respect.

Its the ONLY thing that matter. Which is why china will forever chase bullet trains and wonder why the world does not respect them and treat them as pariah.

Why they are forced to be "friends" with North korea and pakistan.

Its a lesson to the world what lack of free thinking can do to a society.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Every time I think china cannot possibly sink any lower, they surprise me with a new act of hypocracy.

Its about time china learns that Olympic medals and shiny cities do not bring you respect. Its how you conduct yourself that gets your respect.

Its the ONLY thing that matter. Which is why china will forever chase bullet trains and wonder why the world does not respect them and treat them as pariah.

Why they are forced to be "friends" with North korea and pakistan.

Its a lesson to the world what lack of free thinking can do to a society.

Not too bad. The whole world welcomes Chinese tourists. And don't welcome Indian Dalit. That's the difference.

Indians should think about why Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and Burma become China's weapons customers. Because they think the Indians are disgusting. But that's not surprising, because lies exist in Indian genes and cultures.

 

[MagicMarker]

Not too bad. The whole world welcomes Chinese tourists. And don't welcome Indian Dalit. That's the difference.

Indians should think about why Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and Burma become China's weapons customers. Because they think the Indians are disgusting. But that's not surprising, because lies exist in Indian genes and cultures.

The whole world welcomes the US dollar that chinese tourist bring. NO ONE like chinese tourist.

Try paying your bills in chinese currency and watch the whole world laugh at you.

No one cares what you think so don't bother sharing your worthless opinions with anybody. Least of all with Indians. I do not even want to take the minuscule effort of ignoring them.

 

[SBUS-CXK]

The whole world welcomes the US dollar that chinese tourist bring. NO ONE like chinese tourist.

Try paying your bills in chinese currency and watch the whole world laugh at you.

No one cares what you think so don't bother sharing your worthless opinions with anybody. Least of all with Indians. I do not even want to take the minuscule effort of ignoring them.

LOL... I tell a joke —— the world cares about indian pariah.

Also, if I can provide links. Show foreign welcome to Chinese tourists, would you be willing to kneel and admit that you are indiapigs?

The whole world is laughing at India! LOL

 

[Joe Shearer]

Comparison of Naxal insurgency with riots in Kashmir (in crowd context that is not armed) seems not justified..I've seen videos though sometime i believe shouldn't bully individual soldier that irks them..But more of a better analogy will be with what happened at riots in South during recent months..Violent crowd but handled in a better way...There are better techniques in modern world to handle a mob then use of pellet ..
Might be i am wrong but either there was no protest or pellet was not used during congress rule...
Lets assume my brother is blinded by forces ...Now next time i don't need money to throw stone on them..My inner hatred would justify any action against them...
State does not react ....It should act instead to eliminate the reason causing riots...


How? can president go against the recommendation of collegium ?

Second question first: there is a move to take nominations out of the hands of the collegium. There has been some bitter exchanges of opinion and of tight-lipped statements on both sides; in the long run, the administration will win, but the judges have not surrendered their ethical position, even though a really admired judge like Chelameshwar has expressed his unhappiness with the amount of discussion that goes into the collegium selection process (he is a member of the collegium).

Your first point: The background is that the response to rioting or to mass gatherings with gunmen in the crowd firing at the security forces was earlier rubber bullets. This caused fatalities. Some liberal sources then suggested a shift to pellet guns, and that disastrous suggestion was taken up by a panicky bureaucracy, without any investigation of how it works and what might be a by-product. And we have regretted it ever since.

Pepper smoke instead of tear gas has been suggested; water cannon has been suggested; taser has been suggested. All these seem to be mired in bureaucratic indecision, just as bullet-proof vests for the Army and the RR have been not supplied. The irony is that some private Indian firms actually export such bullet-proof clothing.

If you go to a Facebook site that I can give you off line, not to violate the rules, you will see what the position of people like me is on the Kashmir issue. I will not articulate it here for fear of being called a self-publicising hypocrite (it is not for a referendum).

PS: It was not a comparison between the unrest in Kashmir and the Naxal terrorism, I merely explained why no pellet guns were used elsewhere. For instance, in the Naxal areas.