In the event of war with india do we need a strong navy to attack all indian ports

[xebex]

Coming back to the topic, it would simply be the most foolish mistake PN could ever make engaging IN in open waters. You always fight your enemy at your strength; PN should only focus on denying India a blockage of Pakistan's ports. Although i have to say i was laughing my a** off reading this thread, some people are claiming the IN will simply just run over PN . IN didnt dare engage PN during Kargil or in 2001; if i remember correctly during 2001 an Indian fish boat was in Pakistan's water due to a technical failure and could not be moved, the IN didnt dare enter Pakistan's water and requested the US Navy to tow the vessel away.

I think u never heard of Operation Trident and Operation Python by Indian Navy in 1971. Karachi port didnt see clear sky for few days. In Kargil and 2001 such massive attack was not necessary. So dont think Indian navy dare to enter Pakistani port.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Trident_(Indo-Pakistani_War)
1971 India-Pakistan War: Blockade from the Seas

 

[anathema]

Agreed



Not necessarily, it depends on the location of the country. To defeat a country like Britian, Japan or Australia you have to defeat their navy but thats not the case in South Asia. The major battles will be fought on land between both India and Pakistan, i dont know how did you come to the conclusion that Land is the last item on the agenda. Gone are those days when both militaries would engage each other and duel each other for weeks. God Forbid, if a war is fought between India and Pakistan it will be a maximum of 2 or 3 days. Do you really think the world will let two nuclear powers fight each other?



A small chance of that happening but even if it does, keep in mind Pakistan is connected through land to both China and Iran. Besides, Pakistan's Armed Forces maintain 45 days of reserve fuel and ammo which is more than enough. As i said before, if a war does take place it will be not more than 2 or 3 days.

Coming back to the topic, it would simply be the most foolish mistake PN could ever make engaging IN in open waters. You always fight your enemy at your strength; PN should only focus on denying India a blockage of Pakistan's ports. Although i have to say i was laughing my a** off reading this thread, some people are claiming the IN will simply just run over PN . IN didnt dare engage PN during Kargil or in 2001; if i remember correctly during 2001 an Indian fish boat was in Pakistan's water due to a technical failure and could not be moved, the IN didnt dare enter Pakistan's water and requested the US Navy to tow the vessel away.

your entire post is nicely written. but,

in 2001 IN did not enter pakistan's water (if this incident happened) then it would have been to maintain sanctity of borders. If IN would have crossed the PN maritime territory it would have been seen nothing short as declaring war on pakistan. We all know how Uncle sam tried their level best to keep this conflict only to kargil area. Such a move would have meant open war , atleast their would have been a risk. India at that time was engaged in media blitzkrieg and potrayed itself as 'victims of agressions' (rightly so), however this acted would have negated all of the world opinion which it had gathered and pendulum might have swung Pakistan's way. War is not about daring or courage , its about level headed thinking and planing. Secondly India is governed by demoractic leaders unlike pakistan which was headed by dictator , so decisions like these are carefully pondered upon and as they can have a everlasting impact. Put a Indian general in place of politicians and he would have ordered IN to cross the territorial waters.

Ofcourse i never heard of this incident , these are my thoughts to explain rationale between IN actions.

Secondly...2-3 days would be too short....i think if it happens then it will last atleast 2-3 weeks , afterall even Kargil went on for more than that. Both India and pakistan were nuclear at that time.

 

[Renegade]

well you are right however....a friendly ADVISE.....always be aware of an enemy who has nothing left too lose.....no economy in case of a war just means every pakistani is pissed off and has nothing to lose....but in india's case all the big billionaires will be scared of losing business for as long as the war lasts etc.....

Past wars with Pakistan have been rather short affairs, in 71 the Pakistan Army collapsed withing 15 days of the start of the conflict. I am rather sure that the Indian economy can sustain itself rather well for such a short period of time. Even during the Kargil conflict, war had hardly any effect on the Indian economy, on the contrary the stock market keep booming as peak after peak was captured by the IA. It was Pakistan that was scared of a Naval blockade by the IN and the effect it would have on the country's economy.

During a conflict with Pakistan the IN can effectively ensure that shipping lanes for Indian goods can remain open for commerce, but the same cant be said of the PN.

just like the recession hasn't really affected pakistan because pakistan wasn't doing better when it hit.....

another example is afghanistan every SUPER POWER that entered afghanistan has always bled while afghanis never had anything to lose no infrasturcutre nothing except humans...humans who have no value of life for them....



anyhow PAKISTAN and AFGHANISTAN are very diffrent countries but in case of war pakistanis will have very less to lose...the indians should realize this for their own good!!

I see that you are referring to the Nuclear angle here. But let me also enlighten you about the active steps being taken by the GoI to neutralize Pakistan's nuclear strike capability. Do read:

Indian Ballistic Missile Defense Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[jalip]

this time a simple solution if pakistan got fully blocked and ships destroyed one or two atomic explosion in Arabian sea will be enough to bring indians to their senses
If some body is desperate as American were against japan in ww2 whats my indian friends thinks about it

 

[IceCold]

Wouldn’t it be far more cost effective to attack all major Indian cities by land based missiles?

Perhaps! however what you also need to keep in mind is the fact that in a event of war any missile and specially ballistic missile fired by either side can be accidently taken as a nuclear strike by the other which means that a nuclear war can be triggered accidently. However that would not be the case in case of a conventional attack on major Indian installations by the PN.

 

[Renegade]

this time a simple solution if pakistan got fully blocked and ships destroyed one or two atomic explosion in Arabian sea will be enough to bring indians to their senses

Only kids come up with such Alice in Wonderland ideas. Let me remind you that even India has Nuclear weapons (many more than Pakistan), any usage of Nuclear weapons by Pakistan will invite a swift, deadly and annihilating second strike by India. Its goodbye Pakistan then.

The doctrine of Nuclear deterrence works both ways.

If some body is desperate as American were against japan in ww2 whats my indian friends thinks about it

The Americans where not desperate against Japan in WW2, it was the other way round. The Americans where just in a hurry to end the war and had Japan had Nuclear weapons too then the Americans would have never thought of nuking Japan even in their wildest dreams.

 

[xebex]

this time a simple solution if pakistan got fully blocked and ships destroyed one or two atomic explosion in Arabian sea will be enough to bring indians to their senses
If some body is desperate as American were against japan in ww2 whats my indian friends thinks about it

Are u aware that India also has Nuclear weapons, three times as much of pakistan ready to go at any time anywhere with multiple strike capability? if u didnt know that u should stop using N-word.

 

[duhastmish]

this time a simple solution if pakistan got fully blocked and ships destroyed one or two atomic explosion in Arabian sea will be enough to bring indians to their senses
If some body is desperate as American were against japan in ww2 whats my indian friends thinks about it

By the time the war come india - will have a good enough missile sheidl to gaurd against pakistan and will give a upper hand for a second strike. which will mean very bad situation for pakistan.

Pakistan need a strong underwater attack from submarine . if they want to stop India in case of 2015 war.( althought i doubt a war will ever happen of nuclear magnitude between these two countries in future.)

 

[IceCold]

By the time the war come india - will have a good enough missile sheidl to gaurd against pakistan and will give a upper hand for a second strike. which will mean very bad situation for pakistan.

Pakistan need a strong underwater attack from submarine . if they want to stop India in case of 2015 war.( althought i doubt a war will ever happen of nuclear magnitude between these two countries in future.)

I wouldnt keep much higher hopes if i was at your place, you see by the time India develops a full scale nuclear shield, Pakistan will either MIRV its missiles or perhaps get something of its own as a nuclear defence against Indian missiles. But to imagine that India will gain an upper hand is a serious under estimation of Pakistani nuclear doctrine.