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In secret meetings, Taliban rejected Pakistan pressure on peace process
By Reuters
Published: March 15, 2016
ISLAMABAD/PESHAWAR: Pakistani officials threatened to expel Afghanistan’s Taliban from bases in Pakistan if they did not join peace talks this month, but the militants rebuffed their traditional patron, two officials said, casting doubt on how much influence Islamabad retains over them.

After the secret meetings with Pakistani officials about two weeks ago, the Taliban’s Supreme Council met at an undisclosed location and voted to reject the talks scheduled for early March with the Afghan government, according to a council member.

US appeals to Taliban to join talks, warns of increased violence

Instead, the insurgents are now pouring back into Afghanistan for what they say will be a fierce spring offensive to be launched soon.

Pakistan’s influence over the insurgents is the lynchpin to the peace plan developed over last few months by Afghanistan, Pakistan, the United States and China to bring an end to the 15-year-old war in Afghanistan.

A Pakistani official in Islamabad said the Taliban’s recent success on the battlefield inside Afghanistan had changed the equation.

“They no longer need their Pakistan bases in the same way, so if Pakistan threatens to expel them, it does not have the same effect,” said the official, a retired military officer close to the talks.

The insurgents have won new zones of influence – if not outright control – from Afghan security forces since the United States and its allies pulled most combat troops from Afghanistan at the end of 2014, Afghan and Western officials acknowledge.

“Pakistan’s trump card – safe havens on its soil – is in danger of being snatched away,” said Michael Kugelman of the Woodrow Wilson Institute, a Washington-based think tank.

“The Taliban have little incentive to step off the battlefield now, given recent gains and those likely to come in the next few months. In effect, why quit while you’re ahead?”

Taliban toughen stance on peace talks ahead of quadrilateral meeting

Nafees Zakaria, a spokesman for Pakistan’s Foreign Office, said he had no knowledge of meetings with the Taliban but added, “We usually don’t know who has met with whom” in the sensitive and high-level peace initiative.

In Kabul, however, members of the Afghan government were sceptical about Pakistan’s assertions.

“Pakistan’s honesty and sincerity with regard to the Afghan peace process has always been a question,” said an Afghan cabinet member, echoing the sentiment of several officials interviewed there.

Pakistan’s military has long been accused of fostering the Taliban as a way of pursuing regional rivalry with India.

Pakistani officials, however, deny the charge and insist the government and military recognise that Afghanistan’s war threatens their own security.

‘THEIR DREAM’

A member of the Taliban’s leadership council, or shura, whose members are mostly based in Pakistan and Afghanistan but also travel between Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, said rebel representatives met in Islamabad with Pakistani officials a little more than two weeks ago.

“They have asked our representatives to bring more decision-making people to the next meeting … to the meeting with U.S. and Afghan officials. This is their dream, but they will not be able to see our senior commanders,” the Taliban council member said.

A senior Pakistani security official with knowledge of the talks said: “I don’t think the talks are dead, but they are definitely plagued by a serious illness.

“The ones who are in Pakistan … We have told them repeatedly that they will have to leave if they don’t participate in the process,” the Pakistani official said..

“We have done what we can … but influence does not mean control. Those days are long gone.”

The Taliban source had knowledge of, but did not attend, the meeting with Pakistani officials in Islamabad. He was at the subsequent Taliban council meeting to decide on whether to join the peace talks.

The pro-talks camp largely comprised supporters of nominal Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansour, believed to be hiding in Pakistan after being shot in a leadership dispute last year and rumoured killed, and his chief rival, Mullah Mohammad Rasoul, who is believed to be in Afghanistan.

“I personally feel that Mullah Mansour and some other leaders are in favour of peace talks and they don’t want to annoy Pakistan … but they can’t make decisions without approval of other shura members,” said the Taliban council member.”

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid declined to comment on any meetings with Pakistani representatives. He confirmed the Leadership Council meeting but would not give details.

Publicly, both the Afghan and Pakistani government are expressing hopes that peace talks can begin before the traditional Taliban spring offensive.

Pakistan’s top diplomat Sartaj Aziz spoke last week of progress in restarting talks “in coming days”.

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However, Taliban commanders told Reuters that with the council’s decision, they are focusing on launching their annual fighting season with the hopes of grabbing more territory.

“We already have started focusing on the spring offensive, and that’s why the majority of the fighters and commanders are going there (Afghanistan),” said a senior Taliban figure, based in the Pakistani province of Balochistan.
 
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In secret meetings, Taliban rejected Pakistan pressure on peace process
By Reuters
Published: March 15, 2016
ISLAMABAD/PESHAWAR: Pakistani officials threatened to expel Afghanistan’s Taliban from bases in Pakistan if they did not join peace talks this month, but the militants rebuffed their traditional patron, two officials said, casting doubt on how much influence Islamabad retains over them.

After the secret meetings with Pakistani officials about two weeks ago, the Taliban’s Supreme Council met at an undisclosed location and voted to reject the talks scheduled for early March with the Afghan government, according to a council member.

US appeals to Taliban to join talks, warns of increased violence

Instead, the insurgents are now pouring back into Afghanistan for what they say will be a fierce spring offensive to be launched soon.

Pakistan’s influence over the insurgents is the lynchpin to the peace plan developed over last few months by Afghanistan, Pakistan, the United States and China to bring an end to the 15-year-old war in Afghanistan.

A Pakistani official in Islamabad said the Taliban’s recent success on the battlefield inside Afghanistan had changed the equation.

“They no longer need their Pakistan bases in the same way, so if Pakistan threatens to expel them, it does not have the same effect,” said the official, a retired military officer close to the talks.

The insurgents have won new zones of influence – if not outright control – from Afghan security forces since the United States and its allies pulled most combat troops from Afghanistan at the end of 2014, Afghan and Western officials acknowledge.

“Pakistan’s trump card – safe havens on its soil – is in danger of being snatched away,” said Michael Kugelman of the Woodrow Wilson Institute, a Washington-based think tank.

“The Taliban have little incentive to step off the battlefield now, given recent gains and those likely to come in the next few months. In effect, why quit while you’re ahead?”

Taliban toughen stance on peace talks ahead of quadrilateral meeting

Nafees Zakaria, a spokesman for Pakistan’s Foreign Office, said he had no knowledge of meetings with the Taliban but added, “We usually don’t know who has met with whom” in the sensitive and high-level peace initiative.

In Kabul, however, members of the Afghan government were sceptical about Pakistan’s assertions.

“Pakistan’s honesty and sincerity with regard to the Afghan peace process has always been a question,” said an Afghan cabinet member, echoing the sentiment of several officials interviewed there.

Pakistan’s military has long been accused of fostering the Taliban as a way of pursuing regional rivalry with India.

Pakistani officials, however, deny the charge and insist the government and military recognise that Afghanistan’s war threatens their own security.

‘THEIR DREAM’

A member of the Taliban’s leadership council, or shura, whose members are mostly based in Pakistan and Afghanistan but also travel between Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, said rebel representatives met in Islamabad with Pakistani officials a little more than two weeks ago.

“They have asked our representatives to bring more decision-making people to the next meeting … to the meeting with U.S. and Afghan officials. This is their dream, but they will not be able to see our senior commanders,” the Taliban council member said.

A senior Pakistani security official with knowledge of the talks said: “I don’t think the talks are dead, but they are definitely plagued by a serious illness.

“The ones who are in Pakistan … We have told them repeatedly that they will have to leave if they don’t participate in the process,” the Pakistani official said..

“We have done what we can … but influence does not mean control. Those days are long gone.”

The Taliban source had knowledge of, but did not attend, the meeting with Pakistani officials in Islamabad. He was at the subsequent Taliban council meeting to decide on whether to join the peace talks.

The pro-talks camp largely comprised supporters of nominal Taliban leader Mullah Akhtar Mansour, believed to be hiding in Pakistan after being shot in a leadership dispute last year and rumoured killed, and his chief rival, Mullah Mohammad Rasoul, who is believed to be in Afghanistan.

“I personally feel that Mullah Mansour and some other leaders are in favour of peace talks and they don’t want to annoy Pakistan … but they can’t make decisions without approval of other shura members,” said the Taliban council member.”

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid declined to comment on any meetings with Pakistani representatives. He confirmed the Leadership Council meeting but would not give details.

Publicly, both the Afghan and Pakistani government are expressing hopes that peace talks can begin before the traditional Taliban spring offensive.

Pakistan’s top diplomat Sartaj Aziz spoke last week of progress in restarting talks “in coming days”.

Countries to negotiate for Afghan peace process in mid-January

However, Taliban commanders told Reuters that with the council’s decision, they are focusing on launching their annual fighting season with the hopes of grabbing more territory.

“We already have started focusing on the spring offensive, and that’s why the majority of the fighters and commanders are going there (Afghanistan),” said a senior Taliban figure, based in the Pakistani province of Balochistan.

Afghan Government and USA have wasted lot of time. Afghan Taliban can clearly see power they are not interested in talks. Still Pakistan should try its level best to initiate dialogues.
 
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Best case scenario for Pakistan to ensure this does not backfire after the Taliban gets stronger in 3 years, is to eliminate all the Taliban leaders in Pakistan in one operation. Across the board in one night. The night of the long knives.
 
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where are those big mouth who say we control Taliban?

On topic,, if they dont hear us then we should stand with ANA and Afghan govt, they deserve a hard kick from us..

This would be great embarrassment for us that we invited China and US, we worked with them for months to workout a framework for talks with all three govts, now when time of talks come, we dont have main party with us..

Pakistan Govt Zindabad :D
 
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Trump or no Trump, the mood in the USA is changing. They want to shed "entitlement" style diplomacy and strategic relationship, and want to make it more business-like. If the present Afghan government fails to do the national reconciliation and increase the sphere of its control, blaming Paks won't help. If Taliban are winning, I think, the USA will directly negotiate with Taliban to see whether they can honor the deliverables. The US style corporate culture likes to bet on winning horses and shows no sympathy as the losers are taken aside and fired..
 
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Kick them out, they're no longer useful, and have done a lot of damage to Pakistan.
 
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It is a matter of time before they accept our pressure, maybe they are waiting for the right moment to negotiate so they can be in a better position. Eventually they will have to come to the tables. As for Pakistan they better that having good relationship with us, if they want to stay in power.
 
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Kick them out, they're no longer useful, and have done a lot of damage to Pakistan.


Pakistan should deal and negotiate with the Afghan Government that if they will hand over the TTP residing in Afghanistan we will trade the Afghan Taliban for them, with a clear understanding that in future neither we nor they will give refuge to any such terrorist organizations.
 
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Ok. So Pakistan sheltered Taliban when they were at the weakest, giving them space and resources to regroup and withstand the American offensive and slowly make gains once Americans left and now that they are at full strength again - Pakistan is washing it's hands off.

This is a theatre of Absurd!! Well Played Pakistan!! Well Played!!

@Desertfalcon @gambit How do you guys feel about it? Those F-16s supplied by you could have taken out the Taliban and finished this scourge once and for all, US could have emerged victorious with a functional Afghanistan.

Give me an honest enemy anytime over a duplicitous ally.
 
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Pakistan should deal and negotiate with the Afghan Government that if they will hand over the TTP residing in Afghanistan we will trade the Afghan Taliban for them, with a clear understanding that in future neither we nor they will give refuge to any such terrorist organizations.
Ok. So Pakistan sheltered Taliban when they were at the weakest, giving them space and resources to regroup and withstand the American offensive and slowly make gains once Americans left and now that they are at full strength again - Pakistan is washing it's hands off.

This is a theatre of Absurd!! Well Played Pakistan!! Well Played!!

@Desertfalcon @gambit How do you guys feel about it? Those F-16s supplied by you could have taken out the Taliban and finished this scourge once and for all, US could have emerged victorious with a functional Afghanistan.

Give me an honest enemy anytime over a duplicitous ally.
These are not top-level commanders, they are more like the advisers and the political representative of Afghan Taliban. Top level leadership and you expect the Americans to remain quite? come on people. Other parties on the table are aware of the situation, it's not like we are the only ones who meet these representatives of Afghan Taliban. Even if we capture them it wont really stop the war in Afghanistan, instead only intensify it-common sense.
@Desertfalcon @gambit How do you guys feel about it? Those F-16s supplied by you could have taken out the Taliban and finished this scourge once and for all, US could have emerged victorious with a functional Afghanistan.
lol. Are those F-16's really that scary? moving on Pakistan has only played it's part, every thing it has done is backed by World powers in this matter, for those who didn't know, US, China, Russia are a part of this negotiation. I don't think they would just be observing, now would they. Pakistan alone cannot be blamed and Pakistan is still trying its best to pressure the Afghan Taliban on peace process. Moving on, some commanders; more like representatives are here in Pakistan and they are also meeting with the Americans and the Chinese, so the Chinese and the Americans are aware of everything, spare me the bullshit. Pakistan is trying it's best, it no longer backs Afghan Taliban or shelters them. And one might think, are the Americans really that easy to fool?
(BTW my source is a renowned journalist who is following this peace process)
@Icarus ,@That Guy ,anything to add?
regards

Best case scenario for Pakistan to ensure this does not backfire after the Taliban gets stronger in 3 years, is to eliminate all the Taliban leaders in Pakistan in one operation. Across the board in one night. The night of the long knives.
Sir, read my first part of the post. It won't make a big difference.

@Horus , anything to add?
 
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@Desertfalcon @gambit How do you guys feel about it? Those F-16s supplied by you could have taken out the Taliban and finished this scourge once and for all, US could have emerged victorious with a functional Afghanistan.

Give me an honest enemy anytime over a duplicitous ally.
Are you kidding , as if americans know nothing about it. Wasnt kunduz evil airlift(Kunduz airlift - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) conducted with american knowledge? They are hand in glove with them.
Its like a policeman questioning prostitute & customer on being caught redhanded, obviously both will deny it and claim they are husband & wife (cheating ones I suppose). Policeman will infact be in docks for detaining law abiding ppl :D.

PS: please dont comment wikipedia as invalid src, there are other widely available material to corroborate the airlift that took place.

These are not top-level commanders, they are more like the advisers and the political representative of Afghan Taliban.
Agreed. They might just be board members,CEO might well be in .......
New Taliban leader Mullah Mansour 'is businessman protected by Pakistan' - Telegraph
 
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As we have witnessed in the past few months, the Pakistani military and government have showcased their zeal towards eliminating terrorists and supporting the Quadrilateral Coordination Group’s efforts to bring peace and stability in the region. In the Afghan-initiated and Afghan led peace negations, we believe Pakistan to be significant player and key alley. Only yesterday, Special Representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan Richard Oslon emphasized how critical is it for Pakistan and Afghanistan to work together in bringing stability and order in the region.

“Pakistan has been a very good partner on peace process issues. We encourage Pakistan to use its power and influence to help bring Taliban to the table," he said.

Haroon Ahmad
DET – U.S. Central Command
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