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In rare move, Indonesia raises Hague ruling vs China

That's if Australia decided to sell them to us.
well recently Australia has woken up to the Fact that their security is intertwined with Indonesia. I think there's a possibility.

heres a quote from lowy Institute
"Indonesia is now critical for Australia’s security and sovereignty in a way it never was in the Cold War. Back then, both Indonesia and China were weak and inward looking, and we had the US on our side. No foreign power could coerce Australia or threaten its territory."

"China will be the biggest power, and it wants to displace the US as regional leader. Whether it does so will be decided by Asia’s other great powers. For Australia, the most important will be Indonesia."

"Australia needs Indonesia to succeed. Canberra’s job is to make sure we remain friendly with, and even indispensable to, Jakarta as Indonesia rises."


https://www.lowyinstitute.org/publications/helping-indonesia-help-ourselves
 
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we did.
our 2 new Iver Huidtfeldt will be in service before 2024. in addition to another 2 additional Sigma 10514 (total of 4) , 4 OPV's ,3 additional changbogo Submarines (total of 8)
That is massive!

looks like we are falling behind.

Vietnam Navy must catch up.
 
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Very good move!

the more the protest the better

but don’t forget to buy more warships

And watch for the sneaky vietcongs they have stolen many islands from the Philippines and constantly encroaching on Indonesia sea territory. Not a bad idea to regain back the land of the great Champa empire of the Indonesian people.
 
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Btw bro, can you tell me what spec that our Iver will be like? The missile, radar, etc. It spark my interest, honestly.
actually in the Indonesia defence section this had already been discussed, there had been no confirmation whatsoever from the MoD about its "jeroan" but acc to many forumers based from Alman Helvas tweet about Hensoldt offering for the Indonesia future frigate the following

-Hensoldt TRS-4D fixed array,
-Terma Scanter 4603 12' Compact,
-Hensoldt MSSR 2000 and
- Indra Rigel RESM/RECM.

the weaponry would likely be a mix of
-1-2x 76mm Oto melara Super Rapido
-1xRheinmetall 30mm CIWS
-2-4x medium machine gun
-8-16 Exocet MM40 Blk III
-24-32 VLS fro AAW. Hope they go for MK41+ESSM Package although I think the chances are slim for some very obvous reason.
-6x 324mm torped likely A244s
-space for 1-2 Medium Helo (Panther)


After iver..navy have plan with another ship maybe omega or kdx
maybe if Damen decide to up the ante of uang pelicin.
 
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And watch for the sneaky vietcongs they have stolen many islands from the Philippines and constantly encroaching on Indonesia sea territory. Not a bad idea to regain back the land of the great Champa empire of the Indonesian people.
Pls don’t instigate a fight. We took over Champa when Indonesia as nation state did not exist and China was ruled by the Ming.
 
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And watch for the sneaky vietcongs they have stolen many islands from the Philippines and constantly encroaching on Indonesia sea territory. Not a bad idea to regain back the land of the great Champa empire of the Indonesian people.

At first, Nan Yue will be independent state, not only Hongkong.

So on East Turkmenistan, Inner Mongolia and Manchuria. ...
 
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For Indonesia, China’s claims in the South China Sea are illegal
05/29/2020, 15.53
INDONESIA




Jakarta (AsiaNews) – Indonesia rejects China's territorial claims in the South China Sea. In a recent letter to the United Nations, the Indonesian government expressed its support for by the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, which in 2016 ruled that Chinese claims to almost 90 per cent of the vast sea have “no legal basis”.

Until now, Indonesia has kept a low profile vis-à-vis the territorial disputes in the South China Sea. Only the northern section of the country looks out onto the South China Sea, most notably the Natuna islands.

China is not claiming this group of 272 islands, but believes it is entitled to fish in their waters, something that Indonesia rejects.

On several occasions, the Indonesian Navy had to intervene against Chinese fishing vessels escorted by Chinese Coast Guard and other ships. The latest incident of this kind was reported in early January.

This is the first time that a Southeast Asian country explicitly backs the decision of the Court of Arbitration, whose ruling follows a request by the Philippines.

The Philippines, together with Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei, and with the active support of the United States, has challenged China’s expansionism in the South China Sea. However, this has not stopped China from occupying and militarising some of the area's coral reefs.

For Indonesia, China’s historic Nine-Dash demarcation line in the South China has no legal basis and violates the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

In a letter to the United Nations last December, Malaysia expressed the same view, urging the UN to define the limits of the Sea’s continental shelf from its northern coastline. However, Malaysia’s claims clash with China’s.

For its part, the Association of Southeast Asian Countries (ASEAN) is committed to negotiating a "code of conduct" with China to regulate navigation in the South China Sea.

Such code could help ease tensions, but negotiations have dragged on since 2016 with little results, above all because China refuses to accept the decision of the Court of Arbitration.

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/For-...in-the-South-China-Sea-are-illegal-50219.html
 
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Champa liked to annex Viet to them. Champa attacked Viet first from ancent time. At the end of the conflict, Viet-Champa is united.

Champa people in Vietnam, they have right to be the citizen of Independent state.

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