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‘In Pakistan, DNA evidence does not count’

Dude do you think a women would have sex that also in agroup , in a Mazar she is visiting with random people in an underground room while her husband is out ??

It is not about what I think or what you think. I already mentioned in my previous post that technically the verdict appears sound.

In the same post, I also mentioned what the court should consider, and you simply reiterated it as some sort of reply to me.

I am sure you won't want me to link up the numerous cases all over the world, esp in the west, where DNA evidence has been thrown out of the court because the circumstances and witnesses stated something contrary.

It happens all over the world, and creation of this article and then the reactions here look nothing more than witch hunt.

All the courts have been wrong a few times in their history, but without carefully looking at the case and creating a highly biased article is not right.

After your post, I somehow feel a strong need to mention it again -on technical grounds, the verdict is sound.
 
Judge needs to be fired, that is the most absurd ruling I have ever seen. Someone payed him off.....
 
What would the DNA prove if it were a consensual intercourse?

Some times, a consensual, but forced sex too can be mistaken for rape. The court wants to ascertain whether it was a rape, and not whether the intercourse indeed take place - which it did, as the DNA report suggests.

While the court should also consider the fact that it would be extremely rare for any woman in that society to file a report against rape, it only decreases the likelihood and not completely exclude the consensual sex part.

I think the court is technically sound on its ground. The verdict may be motivated by some other factors, but technically, the court is not completely wrong in this verdict.


What the hell constitutes as consensual but forced sex? And how can you consider the verdict technically sound, given the stated reason for rejecting DNA evidence?

Ignoring the medical reports, the judge ruled that there was no solid proof against the suspects in the light of Islamic injunctions that needed at least four eyewitnesses in such cases

Technically sound in Talibanistan perhaps, nowhere else.
 
you mean in earlier times rapes never happened if there weren't any witnesses ?

I was pointing to the use of scientific methods in the investigation of crimes. Back in 7th century, the society in the Arabian deserts was hardly scientific so the unscientific, illogical laws suited them back then.
 
i saw a program BANGED UP ABROAD.........in which an american was arrested for fake smuggling case in pakistan(he was cheated by his american friend, he was innocent)......it was shown that when he was going to trial to the court, his lawyer told him that he will hav to accept the crime and give judge 200$ to get freed within 1-2 years.....but while facing trial his inner conscious hit him hard....and he denied that he ever commited that crime(actually he thought if he accepts the crime he will never ever b able to see his face in mirror out of shame, so he decided to deny).......but for this move he was sent in prison for 7 years!!(i dont know the exact this is just estimate as i dont rememer, watched it few months ago)....y so?....y did the judge punish him more?? y??
please pakistani friends throw some light over here, please dont troll.........please don't say it propaganda or something...please its a serious matter!!
here is the video
 
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i saw a program BANGED UP ABROAD.........in which an american was arrested for fake smuggling case in pakistan(he was cheated by his american friend, he was innocent)......it was shown that when he was going to trial to the court, his lawyer told him that he will hav to accept the crime and give judge 200$ to get freed within 1-2 years.....but while facing trial his inner conscious hit him hard....and he denied that he ever commited that crime(actually he thought if he accepts the crime he will never ever b able to see his face in mirror out of shame, so he decided to deny).......but for this move he was sent in prison for 7 years!!(i dont know the exact this is just estimate as i dont rememer, watched it few months ago)....y so?....y did the judge punish him more?? y??
please pakistani friends throw some light over here, please dont troll.........please don't say it propaganda or something...please its a serious matter!!
here is the video


Hindu Baniya & Zionist Propganda nothing more

On topic
I watched this on Nat geo
Salute to this man whAt he did was wonderful
 
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Its probably this judge who is delusional. Doesnt mean that everyone is.

I condemn that he didnt take DNA proof into account and the judge should be booted for this, but you cant just say that every single court, judge in Pakistan denies to take DNA proof.

So wait a minute, do judges in Pakistan go by some standard or do they just pull it out their you know what? - I don' know how many labs they had DNA reports from but I think if they at 4 reports from 4 labs confirming the same - well, in Islam the number 4 and sex go together, as does the idea of Islam and women's rights and protection
 
Three acquitted in retrial of 2008 Mazar gang-rape case
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KARACHI: A sessions court on Tuesday acquitted three men in the retrial of a case pertaining to the gang rape of a young woman on the premises of the Mazar-i-Quaid.

The then assistant manager security of the mausoleum, an accountant and a personal assistant to the resident engineer of the Quaid-i-Azam Management Board were charged with subjecting the young woman to a sexual assault in March 2008.

On Tuesday, Additional District and Sessions Judge (East) Ghulam Mustafa Leghari pronounced his verdict reserved after recording evidence and final arguments from both sides.

In May this year, the Sindh High Court had set aside the acquittal of the three men and remanded the case back to the trial court, directing it to conduct a fresh trial within three months.

Police had shown two unknown suspects as absconders in the case ever since the incident took place in 2008.

The retrial was held on SHC’s orders that had set aside the 2013 acquittal of accused
During the retrial, victim’s lawyer Amna Usman argued that the trial court had acquitted the accused in April 2013 by deciding the case on the basis of a principle of law, i.e. the Hudood Ordinance instead of the Pakistan Penal Code (PPC).

She further argued that the DNA matching had clearly shown that the three accused were involved in the gang rape. She pleaded to the court to punish them strictly in accordance with the law.

On the other hand, defence counsel Arshad Lodhi contended that around 10 witnesses were examined by the court, but none of them had identified or implicated his clients with the commissioning of the alleged offence.

He further contended that neither the victim had identified the accused before the police nor she recognised them in court.

The counsel argued that the DNA samples, which were allegedly obtained from the clothes of the victim, did not match with those of the accused persons.

He added that even the clothes of the victim were not produced in court as evidence, adding that the testimonies of the witnesses, including the victim’s, the forensic and chemical analysis reports had made the prosecution’s case doubtful.

He pleaded to the court to acquit his clients of the false and fabricated charges.

Earlier in April 2013, while acquitting the accused during the first trial, then Additional District and Sessions Judge (East) Nadeem Ahmed Khan did not treat DNA reports as evidence observing that while they might be helpful in establishing the parentage of a child and other purposes, its utility and evidentiary value was not acceptable under the Hudood laws since they had their own standard of evidence.

The court had ruled that the identification parade, in which the rape survivor had identified one of the accused, lost the legal weight since the magistrate concerned admitted during his evidence before the trial court that the rape survivor had not specifically stated that the accused committed the offence.

The court had further observed that nothing had come on record regarding the place of the recovery of the rape survivor and how she came with Rangers who handed her over to police. But, no Rangers man was examined despite the fact that they were very important witnesses, it noted.

The court ruled that as per medical examination reports there was no mark of violence on the body of the rape survivor while no injury was seen on the bodies of the accused regarding rape.

According to the prosecution, an 18-year-old girl was subjected to a sexual assault after being kidnapped on the premises of the Mazar by around five men on the night of March 15, 2008. She was found in an unstable condition outside the mausoleum on March 17, 2008.

The victim from Lodhran, accompanied by her husband and other relatives, came to Karachi on March 15, 2008 and paid a visit to the Quaid’s mausoleum at night. The couple went inside earlier than the rest of the family members. However, the moment her husband left to bring in the remaining family members, who were waiting outside in a bus, a power breakdown occurred and the victim was allegedly kidnapped by the accused, taken to a room where she was forced to drink wine and sexually assaulted, it added.

An assistant manager security of the mausoleum was taken into custody on March 20, 2008 after the victim identified him as one of the accused during an identification parade, while two others were arrested following the receipt of the DNA report that confirmed their involvement in the case, the prosecution said. Later, all the accused were released on bail.

A case was registered under Sections 376-B (punishment for rape) and 34 (common intention) of the PPC on a complaint of the victim’s father at the Brigade police station.

Published in Dawn, October 6th, 2021

 

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