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Ambiguous Story of Manchukuo Shows Challenge of Throwing Off History’s Weight


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Nobusuke Kishi, left, attends an economic discussion in Changchun in 1938. Asahi Shimbun




CHANGCHUN, China—When this industrial city was the capital of the Japanese kingdom of Manchukuo in the 1930s and ‘40s, it was an urban wonder.

Changchun was the masterpiece of Nobusuke Kishi, the grandfather of Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. The chief industrial planner of Manchukuo, Mr. Kishi was a brilliant technocrat who transformed a vast wilderness north of the Great Wall into an industrial behemoth.

That fact, in today’s China, is an embarrassment—a painful one given how Beijing has stressed Japan’s brutal wartime occupation, and reviled the administration of Mr. Kishi’s grandson.

There are many good reasons Mr. Abe’s sweeping electoral victory on Sunday should improve a relationship that has been haunted by bitterly contested views of wartime history.

From Beijing’s point of view, there’s now no avoiding Mr. Abe. Japanese voters have given him a fresh four-year mandate, so waiting him out is no longer a viable option.

That reality was already implied by the grudging handshake President Xi Jinping offered Mr. Abe at an Asia-Pacific meeting last month. His grimace declared that while he may not exactly like the Japanese leader, he’s ready to do business with him.

Japan, meanwhile, is desperately seeking growth drivers and can’t afford to miss out on opportunities next door. Corporate Japan is dismayed by the way tensions have soured the investment environment. There’s broad public support, too, for better economic relations, despite widespread angst over China’s rise.

But can the two neighbors escape the weight of history?

It’s in the interest of both to discredit each other’s version of the past. To rebuild national self-esteem, Mr. Abe’s administration plays down the suffering it inflicted on China and the rest of East Asia during the war. China, to bolster patriotic support for the Communist Party, plays it up.

“History is history and facts are facts,” Chinese President Xi Jinping told a crowd in Beijing this year during a ceremony to mark the anniversary of Japan’s invasion of China in 1937.

But the facts of Manchukuo tell a complex and ambiguous story.

It was set up by the Japanese garrison force in China at the time, the Kwantung Army.

Chinese historians invariably refer to it as a “puppet” kingdom, which it was. The last Manchu emperor of China, Puyi, who had been forced to abdicate in 1911, was given back his throne in Manchukuo, but the Japanese pulled all the strings.

They used Manchukuo as a gigantic laboratory in nation-building.

Mr. Kishi developed Manchukuo’s rich resources at breakneck speed to feed an industrial base from which Japan planned to challenge the U.S. Under Soviet-inspired five-year plans, he groomed automobile, aircraft and chemical industries. Nissan brought its entire operations over. Japanese engineers constructed huge hydroelectric dams and a network of highways.

Changchun was the crowning glory with leafy parks and modern sanitation that didn’t reach Tokyo until well into the 1960s. Monumental civic buildings and broad avenues radiating outward proclaimed the wider ambitions of Imperial Japan to lead an “Asian revival.”

This is how the Japanese right would prefer to remember Japan’s wartime past. China’s historians focus almost exclusively on the horrors of Manchukuo: slave labor, forced prostitution, summary executions and chemical warfare experiments on humans.

After leaving Manchukuo, Mr. Kishi became the wartime minister of munitions and was jailed by occupying U.S. forces after the war. He emerged from prison a Class-A war criminal, but unindicted, and put his skills to work rebuilding his country’s shattered economy. Later, he became prime minister.

To the end of his life, Mr. Kishi insisted that Manchukuo was a noble cause--a “new paradise,” he once called it.

Indeed, Manchukuo lived on as a template for East Asia’s rapid economic transformation.

It had been a training ground for some of the region’s top government leaders, bureaucrats and scientists. Among them was Park Chung-hee, the father of South Korea’s President Park Geun-hye and a Japanese collaborator in Manchukuo—a first lieutenant in the Japanese Imperial army.

The modern East Asia story, says the historian Andrew Levidis, a fellow at Harvard University’s Reischauer Institute of Japanese studies, is full of “deep shadows and Faustian bargains.” It’s not, he argues, a “singular tale of repression and exploitation.”

Like his grandfather, Mr. Abe wants to lift Japan’s postwar stigma of guilt and revise its U.S.-imposed pacifist constitution. His right-wing associates publicly challenge the idea that what Japan called its “Greater East Asian War” was a war of aggression; they insist Japanese troops were on a mission to liberate Asia from Western imperialists.

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An undated photo shows a young Shinzo Abe, center, on the lap of his grandfather, then-Prime Minister Nobusuke Kishi. Shinzo Abe Office/Associated Press



Beijing vehemently disagrees. Mr. Abe’s veneration of his grandfather, and his declaration that he is carrying forward Mr. Kishi’s legacy, play into a visceral anti-Japanese hatred in China.

Speaking Saturday at a memorial for victims of the 1937 Nanjing Massacre, Mr. Xi said: “All attempts to glorify the war of aggression, no matter how many times they are repeated or how gloriously depicted, are threats to peace and justice amongst man.”

Only a year ago some were comparing Asia’s two largest economies to Germany and Britain on the eve of World War I. A pragmatic decision on both sides to push the reset button would cheer the whole region and the U.S., which has no desire to get in the middle of their fight.

Ultimately, the two neighbors’ conflict comes down to whether they can once and for all resolve their fundamentally different readings of history. And it’s deeply personal.


In Japan-China Ties, the Past Is Personal - WSJ
 
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I thought Taiwan was the crown jewel of Japanese colonial administration.
 
Japan Manchuria was among the fastest economic growing region, having far deeper industrial base than Shanghai. If today Manchuria is still controlled by Japan, she would be far more advance than any other province in China.

To be honest, Japan has put a lot of effort in developing Manchuria and Taiwan now vilified as "exploitation".

In Taiwan, Japan also start to treat the people more or less nicely over the years. That is the reason why mainland Chinese KMT landed in Taiwan, the people started to hate them because their conduct is even far far worse than Japanese.

Its time Chinese people adopt a more balanced view.
 
Japan Manchuria was among the fastest economic growing region, having far deeper industrial base than Shanghai. If today Manchuria is still controlled by Japan, she would be far more advance than any other province in China.

To be honest, Japan has put a lot of effort in developing Manchuria and Taiwan now vilified as "exploitation".

In Taiwan, Japan also start to treat the people more or less nicely over the years. That is the reason why mainland Chinese KMT landed in Taiwan, the people started to hate them because their conduct is even far far worse than Japanese.

Its time Chinese people adopt a more balanced view.
Today's Manchuria is in serious declining,first the low birth rate,birth rate of Heilongjiang 1.03,birth rate of Liaoning 1.0,Jilin 1.03,lower than the national averge 1.5,lower than Jiangsu and Zhejiang,only higher than Beijiang,shanghai and a few cities,and even lower than South Korea 1.19,Japanese 1.34
While the Manchuria has lowest birth rate,people also moved out,every year,more than 2 million more people move out than move in Manchuria
And one thing you may find interesting,there is a large northeast community is in Hainan,and you will find them in Beijiang,Shanghai and Shandong
 
Japan Manchuria was among the fastest economic growing region, having far deeper industrial base than Shanghai. If today Manchuria is still controlled by Japan, she would be far more advance than any other province in China.

To be honest, Japan has put a lot of effort in developing Manchuria and Taiwan now vilified as "exploitation".

In Taiwan, Japan also start to treat the people more or less nicely over the years. That is the reason why mainland Chinese KMT landed in Taiwan, the people started to hate them because their conduct is even far far worse than Japanese.

Its time Chinese people adopt a more balanced view.

You have absolutely no idea, the reason Manchuria was among the fastest economic growing region is because 1) building up from scraps 2)huge amount of untouched natural ressources and fertile soils 3) most important factor since late years of qing dynasty the constant inflow of chinese refugees from rest of china which were gradually falling into chaos no less thanks to japanese. like everywhere else it was build on the back of han chinese refugees, and its the worst insult to chinese lived in occupied area by claiming being ever "treated more or less nicely", those shining developments were all focused on the few japanese who were lured by promise of colonialistic benefits, eventhough their overall numbers remained as insignificant throughout the occupation nevertheless most of chinese inhabitans were forced to scrap for survival, those who had build up homes before the arrival of japanese were even forced to give all everything for the colonists, that was the reason why my family had to flee to the south from Manchuria and lost our relative and friends during their raids, just because we refused to give up our home which my grandparents have worked for over 30 years.

Today's Manchuria is in serious declining,first the low birth rate,birth rate of Heilongjiang 1.03,birth rate of Liaoning 1.0,Jilin 1.03,lower than the national averge 1.5,lower than Jiangsu and Zhejiang,only higher than Beijiang,shanghai and a few cities,and even lower than South Korea 1.19,Japanese 1.34
While the Manchuria has lowest birth rate,people also moved out,every year,more than 2 million more people move out than move in Manchuria
And one thing you may find interesting,there is a large northeast community is in Hainan,and you will find them in Beijiang,Shanghai and Shandong

Indeed its a shame with whats happening in northeast, but I believe its because there are more oppertunities elsewhere in China and the absence of Chaos, now there are many other fast developing areas in china instead of the few places which could be considered as secure and claim to have of "fastest" development with little benefits to overall chinese population. It would only make real sense if China could get the title being the country as whole.

if there is one "good thing" japanese invaders have done for manchuria it would the the overall stability they have provided to certain degree compared with all the constant fightings and battles anywhere else in china during the time of war, and more importantly kept local bandit gang in check, we have all heard all those "ideals" and "sacrifices" made by those gang which tend to paint them as real "patriots" but the fact is they could be worse than the invaders, like most bandit gang which were willing to commit any crime to achieve goal. Of course such benefits is not sufficient to make us feel grateful to the japanese, to begin with it was their invasion which brought out the worst of human nature triggered all those sufferings (like in any time of chaos), and our hard work and all which we have built were used to cause the same suffering to our bretherens elsewhere, we were reduced to animals who were forced to do anything for survival, with no way left to act on conscience or protect our dignity.
 
Ambiguous Story of Manchukuo Shows Challenge of Throwing Off History’s Weight


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Nobusuke Kishi, left, attends an economic discussion in Changchun in 1938. Asahi Shimbun




CHANGCHUN, China—When this industrial city was the capital of the Japanese kingdom of Manchukuo in the 1930s and ‘40s, it was an urban wonder.

Changchun was the masterpiece of Nobusuke Kishi, the grandfather of Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. The chief industrial planner of Manchukuo, Mr. Kishi was a brilliant technocrat who transformed a vast wilderness north of the Great Wall into an industrial behemoth.

That fact, in today’s China, is an embarrassment—a painful one given how Beijing has stressed Japan’s brutal wartime occupation, and reviled the administration of Mr. Kishi’s grandson.

There are many good reasons Mr. Abe’s sweeping electoral victory on Sunday should improve a relationship that has been haunted by bitterly contested views of wartime history.

From Beijing’s point of view, there’s now no avoiding Mr. Abe. Japanese voters have given him a fresh four-year mandate, so waiting him out is no longer a viable option.

That reality was already implied by the grudging handshake President Xi Jinping offered Mr. Abe at an Asia-Pacific meeting last month. His grimace declared that while he may not exactly like the Japanese leader, he’s ready to do business with him.

Japan, meanwhile, is desperately seeking growth drivers and can’t afford to miss out on opportunities next door. Corporate Japan is dismayed by the way tensions have soured the investment environment. There’s broad public support, too, for better economic relations, despite widespread angst over China’s rise.

But can the two neighbors escape the weight of history?

It’s in the interest of both to discredit each other’s version of the past. To rebuild national self-esteem, Mr. Abe’s administration plays down the suffering it inflicted on China and the rest of East Asia during the war. China, to bolster patriotic support for the Communist Party, plays it up.

“History is history and facts are facts,” Chinese President Xi Jinping told a crowd in Beijing this year during a ceremony to mark the anniversary of Japan’s invasion of China in 1937.

But the facts of Manchukuo tell a complex and ambiguous story.

It was set up by the Japanese garrison force in China at the time, the Kwantung Army.

Chinese historians invariably refer to it as a “puppet” kingdom, which it was. The last Manchu emperor of China, Puyi, who had been forced to abdicate in 1911, was given back his throne in Manchukuo, but the Japanese pulled all the strings.

They used Manchukuo as a gigantic laboratory in nation-building.

Mr. Kishi developed Manchukuo’s rich resources at breakneck speed to feed an industrial base from which Japan planned to challenge the U.S. Under Soviet-inspired five-year plans, he groomed automobile, aircraft and chemical industries. Nissan brought its entire operations over. Japanese engineers constructed huge hydroelectric dams and a network of highways.

Changchun was the crowning glory with leafy parks and modern sanitation that didn’t reach Tokyo until well into the 1960s. Monumental civic buildings and broad avenues radiating outward proclaimed the wider ambitions of Imperial Japan to lead an “Asian revival.”

This is how the Japanese right would prefer to remember Japan’s wartime past. China’s historians focus almost exclusively on the horrors of Manchukuo: slave labor, forced prostitution, summary executions and chemical warfare experiments on humans.

After leaving Manchukuo, Mr. Kishi became the wartime minister of munitions and was jailed by occupying U.S. forces after the war. He emerged from prison a Class-A war criminal, but unindicted, and put his skills to work rebuilding his country’s shattered economy. Later, he became prime minister.

To the end of his life, Mr. Kishi insisted that Manchukuo was a noble cause--a “new paradise,” he once called it.

Indeed, Manchukuo lived on as a template for East Asia’s rapid economic transformation.

It had been a training ground for some of the region’s top government leaders, bureaucrats and scientists. Among them was Park Chung-hee, the father of South Korea’s President Park Geun-hye and a Japanese collaborator in Manchukuo—a first lieutenant in the Japanese Imperial army.

The modern East Asia story, says the historian Andrew Levidis, a fellow at Harvard University’s Reischauer Institute of Japanese studies, is full of “deep shadows and Faustian bargains.” It’s not, he argues, a “singular tale of repression and exploitation.”

Like his grandfather, Mr. Abe wants to lift Japan’s postwar stigma of guilt and revise its U.S.-imposed pacifist constitution. His right-wing associates publicly challenge the idea that what Japan called its “Greater East Asian War” was a war of aggression; they insist Japanese troops were on a mission to liberate Asia from Western imperialists.

WO-AU811_CWORLD_P_20141216194808.jpg

An undated photo shows a young Shinzo Abe, center, on the lap of his grandfather, then-Prime Minister Nobusuke Kishi. Shinzo Abe Office/Associated Press



Beijing vehemently disagrees. Mr. Abe’s veneration of his grandfather, and his declaration that he is carrying forward Mr. Kishi’s legacy, play into a visceral anti-Japanese hatred in China.

Speaking Saturday at a memorial for victims of the 1937 Nanjing Massacre, Mr. Xi said: “All attempts to glorify the war of aggression, no matter how many times they are repeated or how gloriously depicted, are threats to peace and justice amongst man.”

Only a year ago some were comparing Asia’s two largest economies to Germany and Britain on the eve of World War I. A pragmatic decision on both sides to push the reset button would cheer the whole region and the U.S., which has no desire to get in the middle of their fight.

Ultimately, the two neighbors’ conflict comes down to whether they can once and for all resolve their fundamentally different readings of history. And it’s deeply personal.


In Japan-China Ties, the Past Is Personal - WSJ
an urban wonder? All the weath was transfered to Japan,is it an urban wonder?Joking?


Japan Manchuria was among the fastest economic growing region, having far deeper industrial base than Shanghai. If today Manchuria is still controlled by Japan, she would be far more advance than any other province in China.

To be honest, Japan has put a lot of effort in developing Manchuria and Taiwan now vilified as "exploitation".

In Taiwan, Japan also start to treat the people more or less nicely over the years. That is the reason why mainland Chinese KMT landed in Taiwan, the people started to hate them because their conduct is even far far worse than Japanese.

Its time Chinese people adopt a more balanced view.
It's Chinese business.Haha
Welcome Japan to conquer Singapore and USA. They will have gratitude for that will make them more advanced.
 
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Japan Manchuria was among the fastest economic growing region, having far deeper industrial base than Shanghai. If today Manchuria is still controlled by Japan, she would be far more advance than any other province in China.

To be honest, Japan has put a lot of effort in developing Manchuria and Taiwan now vilified as "exploitation".

In Taiwan, Japan also start to treat the people more or less nicely over the years. That is the reason why mainland Chinese KMT landed in Taiwan, the people started to hate them because their conduct is even far far worse than Japanese.

Its time Chinese people adopt a more balanced view.

what a funny guy:omghaha:
seems it's ok if someone kill your parents while giving u enough money.
war is war.
colony is colony.
and the history is continuing,otherwise why not choose the best time of many Chinese dynasties to compare to the rest of the world.
 
Japan will inevitally sink to pacfic, so let them have some dreams,

Mercy!

by the way, though it is their business how Japan deal with American, i wonder it is under American's dominion that creats the prosperity of the today's Japanese.
 
Japan will inevitally sink to pacfic, so let them have some dreams,

Mercy!

by the way, though it is their business how Japan deal with American, i wonder it is under American's dominion that creats the prosperity of the today's Japanese.

Based on their own logic japanese can be grateful to Americans or whatever, but its up to the chinese people to decide whether to follow the same kind of logic, not being told so by anyone. They can keep daydreaming for all I care.
 
Modern Japanese people must understand one thing, we chinese are not blaming you for the guilt that your ancestors did, but blaming you for the denying of it. While your media and gov keep boasting the invasion of China is good act, we Chinese still suffer from the history. Especially many Chinese from the north part, including me, have relatives murdered during the japs invasion.

Both Chinese and Japanese people have tried to seek a way out of the past hatred since the end of war. From the 1970s to the early 1990s we indeed had good relationship. But it's your premier and media who destroyed this relation by keeping visiting the Yasukuni shrine.

Just imagine, if your grandfather is murdered by your neighbor's grandfather, and he keeps worship this guilty act. How can you have a good relation with him?
 
the fundamental problem of a typical Japanese is having no principle, as my previous post of japanese kid + pig education shows, they only admit power. Compared to Germany, Japan is a not-mature-enough country.

the lack of principle produces lots of strange events there in Japan, i will post some to discouver the today's Japanese abnormal when i have time.
 
反抗没有错, 但是日本用心经营东北台湾也是事实,应该有所认识。
首先你没有意识到 苦心经营目的即是为战争做准备 不是为人民福祉 台湾有今天靠得也不是日本人 东北现在也不差 当年不发展东北是担心被苏联一锅端了 英国人当年殖民地无数 战后算得上发达的有几个 没有原殖民地国家人民自己的努力付出 一样是贫穷落后
 
反抗没有错, 但是日本用心经营东北台湾也是事实,应该有所认识。

以至于国民党一去台湾,就因暴政弄成228,至今是台独远因。中国人统治水平不能跟日本人比。

未来不知道,但是现在的确还是这样

第一,日本人如何经营东三省台湾的,你了解多少?
第二,日本人统治东三省台湾是为了了中国人,还是为了日本人?
第三,至于统治能力,现在中国发展速度比新加坡快,是不是要中国人来统治新加坡啊?
第四,中国人管理中国,无论共产党国民党都是家事,和日本人有什么关系。

不要忘了,日本人一直想登陆,是因为他们深知日本列岛总有一天要沉没的。
 
反抗没有错, 但是日本用心经营东北台湾也是事实,应该有所认识。

以至于国民党一去台湾,就因暴政弄成228,至今是台独远因。中国人统治水平不能跟日本人比。

未来不知道,但是现在的确还是这样
台湾真不知道。。东北真用心啊,
用心掠夺木材煤炭从大连港运到日本,一分钱不花的进口啊
用心在东北炼铁炼钢拉到日本,生产武器
用心在东北研发人体化学武器,东北实验白鼠真便宜
用心在东北搞农业生产,溥仪封个大司马怎么样,前期侵略后勤都靠东北了
用心在东北抓劳工,运到日本,送到战场前方排雷,送到农场(本来就是农民自己的土地,抢过来然后不给钱还叫人家干活)
用心制造旅顺。。。。。大屠杀
用心挑选慰安所服务员,不从的送去当小白鼠
感觉好用心哦!!

一片繁荣气象!东北在日本屠刀下好繁荣啊,GDP是有了,但财富是谁的?祖祖辈辈在这的人有社会地位?有人权?有温饱?有命吗?

你们家是没有被肃清的 国奸 汉奸 吗??
 
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