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In bid to defend sovereignty, Indonesia plans to change name of South China Sea to Natuna Sea

Konfrontasi was not against a weaker country. It was against Malaysia AND the Brits. It was a fair fight. Your situation now on the other hand is just straight up a big country shitting all over the sovereignity of smaller countries because "we are stronger, what can they do?" THAT is bullying.

:stop: So was Malaysia an independent and sovereignty state then.

Get that right and stop justifying. If that is not bullying, what is? :cheers:

Anyway I have to leave now, and I can continue this another time. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

For your information, Britain was not a direct participant during the Konfrontasi but will be more tan willing to offer its assistance to its former colony if it was invaded by a BULLYING STATE like Indonesia.
 
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:stop: So was Malaysia an independent and sovereignty state then.

Get that right and stop justifying. If that is not bullying, what is? :cheers:

Anyway I have to leave now, and I can continue this another time. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

For your information, Britain was not a direct participant during the Konfrontasi but will be more tan willing to offer its assistance to its former colony if it was invaded by a BULLYING STATE like Indonesia.
Malaysia was given independence by the UK and we saw it as just a puppet for the UK.
That was not bullying because we actually went against countries that are our equal,if not stronger than us. Remember they had the brits fighting for them directly. They even sent the SAS to Borneo to fight us. So it was just a normal straight up conflict.

You are just brave against the ships of smaller countries. The moment a US Navy ship passed, you did nothing because you know they can and will fight back because they are stronger than you. That is what a bully does. Bully the weaker ones, but don't do anything against their equals or superiors.
 
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stop replying against false flagger
 
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In other words, nations can do anything they like in response or justification e.g. committing terrorism in other nation (Which sound a bit extreme but is a fact).

That is why India was denied its entry in NSG but ordinary emotional Indians do not understand why and keep on blaming China. A dozen of other nations that also opposed were not named in the India media attack.

Can the world continue to be lawless and laws to be interpreted by some states like USA's TPPA where they can simple extend the agreed limit of their patent rights to whatever period they like?

UNCLOS is about WATER and extending the original 12NM limit does not given them the right to claim the historical territorial of other nations otherwise India should packed up and leave Nicobar and Andaman Islands.


What is right with you guy? Isn't my explanation clear enough? I merely state SL as a possible example only and can you dispel that if it happens or when it happens.

In histories, India and Indonesia has been THUGS and BULLIES to weaker nations around them e.g. Konfrontasi and the illegal invasion of East Pakistan, Maldives or even GOA which was around 400 years before British Raj came.

where did India, NSG, Indian media come into the picture here?

and for:
India and Indonesia has been THUGS and BULLIES

the topic is about Indonesia - lets stick to that - right now that does not seem to be the case w.r.t Indonesia.
 
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Better off focusing on blowing up the Vietnamese boats than to make a big deal out of nothing. LOL

And do the same to Chinese boats and China Coast Guard ships, as they all violated Natuna Sea
 
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Malaysia was given independence by the UK and we saw it as just a puppet for the UK.
That was not bullying because we actually went against countries that are our equal,if not stronger than us. Remember they had the brits fighting for them directly. They even sent the SAS to Borneo to fight us. So it was just a normal straight up conflict.

You are just brave against the ships of smaller countries. The moment a US Navy ship passed, you did nothing because you know they can and will fight back because they are stronger than you. That is what a bully does. Bully the weaker ones, but don't do anything against their equals or superiors.

So you admit Malaysia is an INDEPENDENT NATION and part of the UN.

It does not matter what Indonesia thinks of Malaysia, Indonesia action was deemed as an act of BULLYING today.

It is a very POOR excuse as Indonesian should be fighting the former Dutch Colonialists and not the British.

SAS was fighting Indonesian infiltrators into SARAWAK, a British Colony before it became a part of Malaysia. So it is still aggression on the part of Indonesia.


where did India, NSG, Indian media come into the picture here?
and for:
India and Indonesia has been THUGS and BULLIES

the topic is about Indonesia - lets stick to that - right now that does not seem to be the case w.r.t Indonesia.

Noted: But don't you think, you should issuing similar advice to your countrymen from India. :laugh:

When INDONESIA sank and blew up FISHING VESSELS from foreign nations, you considered such actions as NOT BEING BELLIGERENT!

Then China should sink and blow up intruding vessels esp. those warships from USA within its disputed islands and hypocrites around here should be keep quiet about stop complaining China being a BULLY.

One cannot have it both ways, you know.
 
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So you admit Malaysia is an INDEPENDENT NATION and part of the UN.

It does not matter what Indonesia thinks of Malaysia, Indonesia action was deemed as an act of BULLYING today.

It is a very POOR excuse as Indonesian should be fighting the former Dutch Colonialists and not the British.

SAS was fighting Indonesian infiltrators into SARAWAK, a British Colony before it became a part of Malaysia. So it is still aggression on the part of Indonesia.




Noted: But don't you think, you should issuing similar advice to your countrymen from India. :laugh:

When INDONESIA sank and blew up FISHING VESSELS from foreign nations, you considered such actions as NOT BEING BELLIGERENT!

Then China should sink and blow up intruding vessels esp. those warships from USA within its disputed islands and hypocrites around here should be keep quiet about stop complaining China being a BULLY.

One cannot have it both ways, you know.
If the US sent infiltrators to China is that bullying? No. That's an act of war because China can retaliate.

Malaysia was just given freedom by the UK and we saw them as a puppet. We respect Malaysia now, but the situation in the past was different and nothing can change history. We knew, that if we attacked,the brits would retaliate but we did it anyway. Because we are not cowards. But there was no bullying, there were only straight up confrotations between similarly powerful countries. We were ready to fight and so were the UK and Malaysia. That by definition is a conflict but not bullying. Because bullies only confront countries that they know can't fight back. Exactly like China against the Phillipines or against Vietnam or against Malaysia today.

And speaking of the dutch colonialists, you don't need to worry about that. We have already confronted them in Papua even when they had an aircraft carrier (Karel Doorman) stationed there and they were also quite strong. We were ready to sink it, if we had to. Luckily the US put some sense into the Dutch and the Dutch backed off. So no, we were never bullies, we always went against similarly powerful countries, if not stronger than us.

We blew up foreign fishing vessels that fished in our EEZ illegally. If they were not fishing illegally, they wouldn't try to run when our navy's ship came. And if you want to blow up US Navy ship, be my guest. That would be a proof that your country is not just a big mouthed bully because then you actually have the balls to fight an equal. That is, if the ship that tries to blow up the USN ship survives and your country survives american Retaliation.

But what do you know about history anyway. You are apparently just a 65 year old, uneducated false flagger who likes licking China's ***.
 
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Not East Vietnamese Sea?

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It's not East Vietnamese Sea, it should South Vietnamese Sea. The Natuna Sea is south of Vietnam. Far away from Spratley and Paracel. Why China should concern with this change of name? It is Vietnam and Malaysia that should protest, not China. Hell, that sea is at their doorstep.
 
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It is time to rename the South China Sea
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For all the complexities of the territorial struggle between China and its neighbors in the South China Sea, there’s a growing recognition that part of the problem is simply the name of the place.

Indonesia became the latest country to propose a renaming last week, when the government announced it will submit a proposal to the United Nations regarding the exclusive economic zone (EEZ) surrounding its Natuna Islands. “If no one objects… then it will be officially the Natuna Sea,” said Ahmad Santosa, who heads an agency combating illegal fishing.

In 2012 the Philippines officially renamed part of the South China Sea on its own maps and government correspondence. Manila declared that waters falling within its EEZ would be called the West Philippine Sea, an important step to clarifying “which portions we claim as ours,” president Benigno Aquino said at the time. The nation submitted its administrative order and an official map to the United Nations.

Of course, getting the international community to go along with a name change is another matter. Government agencies in Manila might use “West Philippine Sea,” but “South China Sea” is still common usage. UN submission or no, “Natuna Sea” might be similarly ignored outside of Indonesian government circles.

Vietnam, for its part, has long called the waterway the East Sea. Malaysia goes with South China Sea, although after the tribunal’s ruling some are questioning why that is.

China claims nearly all the strategic waterway as its own territory, based on a nine-dash line drawn up after World War 2. Though an international tribunal invalidated the line in a July ruling, Beijing continues to uphold its expansive claims.

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A contested sea.
A Change.org campaign started about five years ago that proposes a name change to the “Southeast Asia Sea” brings up some interesting points. Among them:

The countries of Southeast Asia encompass almost the entire South China Sea with a total coastline measuring approximately 130,000 km (81,250 miles) long; whereas the Southern China’s coastline measured about 2,800 km (1,750 miles) in length.

Other proposals have included the “Indochina Sea” and the “Asean Sea,” though that last one bumps into the problem of Cambodia, a member of ASEAN, siding more with China (and earning Beijing’s appreciation along the way).

The sea has had a variety of names throughout history, with “South China Sea” being a relatively recent invention (paywall), coming into use in the 1930s as a way to distinguish the waterway from the East China Sea.

China can play the name game, too. In the Chinese language, the sea is called simply Nanhai, or the South Sea. Some have proposed renaming the southern Hainan Province, which faces the sea, to “Nanhai Province.” Proponents contend the name change would help fortify China’s claims to the sea.

In English, changing the name of the sea to “South Sea” might work, argued Ellen Frost, a senior adviser at the East-West Center, earlier this year. Chinese nationalists would surely reject the “Southeast Asia Sea,”she noted (pdf). But they’d have a harder time arguing against the “South Sea”—even though it removes “China”—since in Chinese the name “Nanhai” has been around for centuries.

That change, she contended, “would signal a small, seemingly technical, but meaningful contribution to peace.”

http://qz.com/763161/it-is-time-to-rename-the-south-china-sea/
 
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