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WASHINGTON — President Obama decided in recent weeks to authorize a more expansive mission for the military in Afghanistan in 2015 than originally planned, a move that ensures American troops will have a direct role in fighting in the war-ravaged country for at least another year.

Mr. Obama’s order allows American forces to carry out missions against theTaliban and other militant groups threatening American troops or the Afghan government, a broader mission than the president described to the public earlier this year, according to several administration, military and congressional officials with knowledge of the decision. The new authorization also allows American jets, bombers and drones to support Afghan troops on combat missions.

In an announcement in the White House Rose Garden in May, Mr. Obama said that the American military would have no combat role in Afghanistan next year, and that the missions for the 9,800 troops remaining in the country would be limited to training Afghan forces and to hunting the “remnants of Al Qaeda.”

The decision to change that mission was the result of a lengthy and heated debate that laid bare the tension inside the Obama administration between two often-competing imperatives: the promise Mr. Obama made to end the war in Afghanistan, versus the demands of the Pentagon that American troops be able to successfully fulfill their remaining missions in the country.

The internal discussion took place against the backdrop of this year’s collapse of Iraqi security forces in the face of the advance of the Islamic State as well as the mistrust between the Pentagon and the White House that still lingers since Mr. Obama’s 2009 decision to “surge” 30,000 American troops to Afghanistan. Some of the president’s civilian advisers say that decision was made only because of excessive Pentagon pressure, and some military officials say it was half-baked and made with an eye to domestic politics.

Mr. Obama’s decision, made during a White House meeting in recent weeks with his senior national security advisers, came over the objection of some of his top civilian aides, who argued that American lives should not be put at risk next year in any operations against the Taliban — and that they should have only a narrow counterterrorism mission against Al Qaeda.

But the military pushed back, and generals both at the Pentagon and in Afghanistan urged Mr. Obama to define the mission more broadly to allow American troops to attack the Taliban, the Haqqani network and other militants if intelligence revealed that the extremists were threatening American forces in the country.

The president’s order under certain circumstances would also authorize American airstrikes to support Afghan military operations in the country and ground troops to occasionally accompany Afghan troops on operations against the Taliban.

“There was a school of thought that wanted the mission to be very limited, focused solely on Al Qaeda,” one American official said.

But, the official said, “the military pretty much got what it wanted.”

On Friday evening, a senior administration official insisted that American forces would not carry out regular patrols or conduct offensive missions against the Taliban next year.

“We will no longer target belligerents solely because they are members of the Taliban,” the official said. “To the extent that Taliban members directly threaten the United States and coalition forces in Afghanistan or provide direct support to Al Qaeda, however, we will take appropriate measures to keep Americans safe.”

In effect, Mr. Obama’s decision largely extends much of the current American military role for another year. Mr. Obama and his aides were forced to make a decision because the 13-year old mission, Operation Enduring Freedom, is set to end on Dec. 31.

The matter of the military’s role in Afghanistan in 2015 has “been a really, really contentious issue for a long time, even more contentious than troop numbers,” said Vikram Singh, who worked on Afghanistan policy both at the State Department and the Pentagon during the Obama administration and is now at the Center for American Progress in Washington.

American officials said that while the debate over the nature of the American military’s role beginning in 2015 has lasted for years, two issues in particular have shifted the debate in recent months.

The first is the advance of Islamic State forces across northern Iraq and the collapse of the Iraqi Army, which has led to criticism of Mr. Obama for a military pullout of Iraq that left Iraqi troops ill-prepared to protect their soil.

This has intensified criticism of Mr. Obama’s Afghanistan strategy, which Republican and even some Democratic lawmakers have said adheres to an overly compressed timeline that would hamper efforts to train and advise Afghan security forces — potentially leaving them vulnerable to attack from Taliban fighters and other extremists in the meantime.

This new arrangement could blunt some of that criticism, although it is also likely to be criticized by some Democratic lawmakers who will say that Mr. Obama allowed the military to dictate the terms of the endgame in Afghanistan.

The second factor is the transfer of power in Afghanistan to President Ashraf Ghani, who has been far more accepting of an expansive American military mission in his country than his predecessor, Hamid Karzai.

According to a senior Afghan official and a former Afghan official who maintains close ties to his former colleagues, in recent weeks both Mr. Ghani and his new national security adviser, Hanif Atmar, have requested that the United States continue to fight Taliban forces in 2015 — as opposed to being strictly limited to operations against Al Qaeda. Mr. Ghani also recently lifted the limits on American airstrikes and joint raids that Mr. Karzai had put in place, the Afghan officials said.

The new Afghan president has already developed a close working relationship with Gen. John F. Campbell, the allied commander in Afghanistan.

“The difference is night and day,” General Campbell said in an email about the distinction between dealing with Mr. Ghani and Mr. Karzai. “President Ghani has reached out and embraced the international community. We have a strategic opportunity we haven’t had previously with President Karzai.”

American military officials saw the easing of the limits on airstrikes imposed by Mr. Karzai as especially significant, even if the restrictions were not always honored. During the summer, Afghan generals occasionally ignored Mr. Karzai’s directive and requested American air support when their forces encountered trouble.

Now it appears such requests will no longer have to be kept secret.

One senior American military officer said that in light of Mr. Obama’s decision, the Air Force expects to use F-16 fighters, B-1B bombers and Predator and Reaper drones to go after the Taliban in 2015.

“Our plans are to maintain an offensive capability in Afghanistan,” he said.

The officer said he expected the Pentagon to issue an order in the next several weeks detailing the military’s role in Afghanistan in 2015 under Operation Resolute Support, which will become the new name for the Afghanistan war.

The Pentagon plans to take the lead role in advising and training Afghan forces in southern and eastern Afghanistan, with Italy also operating in the east, Germany in the north and Turkey in Kabul.

But by the end of next year, half of the 9,800 American troops would leave Afghanistan. The rest would be consolidated in Kabul and Bagram, and then leave by the end of 2016, allowing Mr. Obama to say he ended the Afghan war before leaving office.

America’s NATO allies are expected to keep about 4,000 troops of their own in Afghanistan in 2015. The allies are expected to follow the American lead in consolidating and withdrawing their troops.

The United States could still have military advisers in Kabul after 2016 who would work out of an office of security cooperation at the United States Embassy. But the administration has not said how large that contingent might be and what its exact mission would be.

And it remains unclear how the continuing chaos in Iraq — and Mr. Obama’s decision to send troops back there — will affect the administration’s plans for an Afghanistan exit.

As the president said in the Rose Garden in May, “I think Americans have learned that it’s harder to end wars than it is to begin them.”

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/22/u...ma-extends-us-role-in-afghan-combat.html?_r=0
 
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And we all thought they were moving out....And many people putting that forward even as an argument?! :unsure:

US 'to expand' 2015 Afghanistan combat role

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Most US troops are leaving Afghanistan at the end of the year

US troops in Afghanistan will be allowed to target Taliban fighters in Afghanistan from 2015, US officials say, expanding their role after the end of major combat operations.

Guidelines approved by President Barack Obama will also provide air support for Afghan missions, US media report.

The US force in the country is be cut to 9,800 by the end of 2014.

Previous plans had limited their role to training Afghan troops and tackling the remnants of al-Qaeda.

The military will now be allowed to fight the Taliban if the militants "directly threaten the United States and coalition forces" or provide "direct support to al-Qaeda", an unnamed official told US media.

The Associated Press and the New York Times say the change has been quietly decided by President Obama in recent weeks.

Coming home
In September the new Afghan government, led by President Ashraf Ghani, signed a security deal allowing US troops to remain in the country beyond 2014.

Under a separate agreement, a number of Nato members - including Germany, Turkey, Italy - will contribute to a 12,000-strong force that will train and assist Afghanistan's security forces.

The US deployment is due to be reduced by half again by the end of 2015.

Nato - which had about 50,000 troops in Afghanistan in early 2014, mostly from the US - has been steadily withdrawing them, handing over control to local security forces.

Mr Ghani was sworn in as Afghanistan's new president in September, replacing Hamid Karzai in the country's first democratic transfer of power.

Mr Karzai had refused to sign the security deal, in part because the US sought immunity from prosecution for its forces.

BBC News - US 'to expand' 2015 Afghanistan combat role
 
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But the military pushed back, and generals both at the Pentagon and in Afghanistan urged Mr. Obama to define the mission more broadly to allow American troops to attack the Taliban, the Haqqani network and other militants if intelligence revealed that the extremists were threatening American forces in the country.
Now that's bad news for the Afghan Taliban (Haqqani) and its well wishers!

The proponents of that doctrine of so called 'Strategic Depth' in Afghanistan are going to get a lot of egg on their faces - so much that you could make a giant omelet out of it!
 
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Good news , keep US engaged until she cleans all the mess she created in Afghanistan in last 3 decades.

But the resilience of those Afghanis (wrongly labeled as talibans)who are not willing to let foreigners decide their future has been remarkable and I see US,indian dream of enslaving Afghanis to use their minerals and geographic location to serve capitalists agenda remaining a dream for centuries to come.

Given US history they may escape finally without total collapse of their regime but Indians are being lured by them into a death trap so it's all getting more interested and recent Russian steps to engage Pakistan in various strategic projects adds another dimension to this game.
 
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Let's see now. If USA does not respond, it is "not trying to fix the mess it has made", say the critics. If it does respond, the critics are not happy that the military involvement is increasing. Damned either way! :D

Its one of those 'damned if i do , damned if i don't' scenarios. Better to do what's best for national strategic interests, then.
 
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Good news , keep US engaged until she cleans all the mess she created in Afghanistan in last 3 decades.

But the resilience of those Afghanis (wrongly labeled as talibans)who are not willing to let foreigners decide their future has been remarkable and I see US,indian dream of enslaving Afghanis to use their minerals and geographic location to serve capitalists agenda remaining a dream for centuries to come.

Given US history they may escape finally without total collapse of their regime but Indians are being lured by them into a death trap so it's all getting more interested and recent Russian steps to engage Pakistan in various strategic projects adds another dimension to this game.
So u mean, Afghanistan ruled by outsiders is bad but by Pakistan and Taliban is good.

Rest all ur explanations are plane typical Pakistsni rhetoric.

Like or not, India has stabilised and developed Afghanistan much more than any other country. Afghans themselves would advocate it.
 
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But the resilience of those Afghanis (wrongly labeled as talibans)who are not willing to let foreigners decide their future has been remarkable and I see US,indian dream of enslaving Afghanis to use their minerals and geographic location to serve capitalists agenda remaining a dream for centuries to come.


We saw quite a few behaded bodies during your "Resilient Afghan's Rule"..and common Afghanis decided that they're better off with Taliban than remaining under their rule.and whole world knows from where the Talibans are getting resilience.and we all see,when their brother in arms fights for the same cause in Pakistan,what kind of conspiracy theory gets shaped. :warning2:
 
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So u mean, Afghanistan ruled by outsiders is bad but by Pakistan and Taliban is good.

Rest all ur explanations are plane typical Pakistsni rhetoric.

Like or not, India has stabilised and developed Afghanistan much more than any other country. Afghans themselves would advocate it.

I don't advocate Pakistan or any other state interfering in any other country's internal matter but everybody is free to look after their interests. As for India stabilizing Afghanistan hmmmmm don't how to put it decently but just look at the numbers of poors,illiterate,toiletless Indians and you will get your answers. A country that can't stabilize herself in 7 decades I wonder how can be she of any assistance to any other nation and that too a Muslim state its just a public face to hide the proxy wars India is playing and dreams of winning.

Except few Afghanis who directly benefitted from Indian money I never heard a good word about India.
 
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I don't advocate Pakistan or any other state interfering in any other country's internal matter but everybody is free to look after their interests. As for India stabilizing Afghanistan hmmmmm don't how to put it decently but just look at the numbers of poors,illiterate,toiletless Indians and you will get your answers. A country that can't stabilize herself in 7 decades I wonder how can be she of any assistance to any other nation and that too a Muslim state its just a public face to hide the proxy wars India is playing and dreams of winning.

Except few Afghanis who directly benefitted from Indian money I never heard a good word about India.
My response is,

Typical rant from a Pakistani who are born to be exploited by superpowers. Infact it was Gods grace over India to get a Muslim nation away from it so that Superpowers don't feel the need to treat India their bitch coz then they had a separated nation kept in platter to satisfy themselves.

By da way I feel so envious of Pakistan that every house has a toilet, Every Pakistani lives such clean lives, Every Pakistani gets the best quality life in this World.

Please lend us some Pakistani talent.
 
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We saw quite a few behaded bodies during your "Resilient Afghan's Rule"..and common Afghanis decided that they're better off with Taliban than remaining under their rule.and whole world knows from where the Talibans are getting resilience.and we all see,when their brother in arms fights for the same cause in Pakistan,what kind of conspiracy theory gets shaped. :warning2:

well then there are rapes happening in India everyday so Modi should be hanged?

Beheadings are happening in Saudi Arabia even now but aren't highlighted as its required plus nobody ever established any link between mullah Omer and those incidents .

Having said all this let me say I hate Taliban if they are involved in coward attacks on civilians like the one today in a volleyball match and I feel Afghanistan needs level headed balanced leaders not like mullah Omer ,Karzai or ghani.

when I said resilient Afghan I didn't mean talibs but that thinking that never allowed in history any foreign power to rule them.

USSR and US are recent examples.

let Afghans decide their future thats the only good thing India can do on our east or else be ready for some hurting news every now and then.
 
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They are not even going to withdraw in 2015 also just before elections.
 
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