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In a first, pvt Indian firms can bid to make artillery guns

OFB will not take this lying down. They have worked really hard ( as per their standard) to make this 45 Cal. Bofors and serious efforts are being taken to make 52 Cal. Guns. In fact OFB should team up with private players to fill the gaps and streamline production.
 
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OFB will not take this lying down. They have worked really hard ( as per their standard) to make this 45 Cal. Bofors and serious efforts are being taken to make 52 Cal. Guns. In fact OFB should team up with private players to fill the gaps and streamline production.

They've been talks of such a teaming up. I had an article on just that topic, will have to search it out.

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It will also result in frustrated individuals to go on a shooting spree, like in the US :disagree:

no it won't .... :P , as my GF says ..if she carried a hand gun she would shoot at the dick of the rapist ...
 
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no it won't .... :P , as my GF says ..if she carried a hand gun she would shoot at the dick of the rapist ...

I am against gun culture. Tell your GF to use a TAZER(don't know if it's available in India) or Pepper Spray for protection. BTW I don't mind if she would shoot at the dick of the rapist :cheers:
 
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The JV sector is a mixed bag. Some articles have succeeded and other have been stymied. The real problem in these PSUs is that they are part of the gravy train..no private firm will relegate itself to screw driver jobs while the PSUs will- screw driver deals are essential to sell foreign systems under the "manufactured in country, tot" garb- get the drift? Not to mention that the MOD OWNS these PSUs, literally, it doesn't regulate them it physically owns them and thus has always been obdurate about restructuring them. IF these PSUs are to be effective and efficient then they need to be delinked from the practice of the MOD directly forming and sitting on their respective boards.

Thats a good observation.
We must also look at the order books of these PSUs vis-a- vis execution and then analyze if they really have resources to cope up with the demands.
May not be relevant entirely in context of story, but a similar discussion going on with respect to Rafale deal and Dassault not comfortable with HAL must teach us an important lesson.
When you put onus on a supplier / manufacturer to complete a contract you must allow him sufficient flexibility to decide the fine details of execution in field.
our PSUs irrespective of their profitability are not very professional. So while GoI expects to bring in foreign technology as Offset clause, the supplier must also have independence to choose how he brings it and with which partner, after all its his money that he is investing back. Under these circumstances if MoD is interested in half heartedly allowing private players to enter this field, it is not doing service to anyone.
 
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I am against gun culture. Tell your GF to use a TAZER(don't know if it's available in India) or Pepper Spray for protection. BTW I don't mind if she would shoot at the dick of the rapist :cheers:

The problem is rapists, murders and criminals can easily get weapons through black market and illegally ... It really is not that difficult when you think about all the gangs and rebels carrying guns with them ..

Britain banned Guns and their crime violance has only increases

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Mail Online

They banned guns and violence increases by 89%.. because the law abiding citizens don't have any weapons to protect themselves with ...
 
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Thats a good observation.
We must also look at the order books of these PSUs vis-a- vis execution and then analyze if they really have resources to cope up with the demands.
May not be relevant entirely y in context of story, but a similar discussion going on with respect to Rafale deal and Dassault not comfortable with HAL must teach us an important lesson.
When you put onus on a supplier / manufacturer to complete a contract you must allow him sufficient flexibility to decide the fine details of execution in field.
our PSUs irrespective of their profitability are not very professional. So while GoI expects to ring in foreign technology as Offset clause, the supplier must also have independence to choose how he brings it and with which partner, after all its his money that he is investing back. Under these circumstances if MoD is interested in half heartedly allow private players to enter this field, it is not doing service to anyone.

The Rafale deal is a bit more specific, the main problem there is liability sharing- who's gonna be held liable for any possible delays. Dassault's cool with passing on tech, contrary to what a lot of people are saying, they are NOT comfortable with lugging HAL's share of the liability if HAL mucks up the delivery schedule.
 
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In a first, pvt Indian firms can bid to make artillery guns | idrw.org
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Crossing an important milestone at the last meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), the Ministry of Defence has, for the first time, decided to allow Indian private entities to participate in a bid for making artillery guns.

It is learnt that while approving the Army’s proposal for upgunning of 300 more 130 mm M-46 field guns to a 155 mm gun system, the DAC on April 2 also decided that the request for proposal (RFP) would also go to interested private players.
The Ordnance Factory Board, which used to automatically get these orders, will now be one of the contestants.
This is the first time that South Block has decided to let the Indian private sector make an offensive weapon platform. While companies have been keen, the opportunity has never come. However, private entities such as the Tatas and L&T have been involved in making important ancillary equipment such as launchers for the Pinaka missile.

The upgunning of 130 mm guns was originally awarded to Israeli firm Soltam which completed the first lot of 180 guns but it was then blacklisted. It was no longer possible to proceed with the original plan of upgunning all 480 guns of 130 mm.

Some transfer of technology did take place but it has all remained mothballed with the gun carriage factory in Jabalpur, sources said. In 2010, the Army did float a request for information for the remaining 300 guns but the process ran into delays.

For an Army facing shortage of artillery guns, this move is also being seen as a test case for opening the doors to the Indian private sector to manufacture lethal weapon systems given the problems India faces as a major global arms importer.

Besides, the DAC meeting, headed by Defence Minister A K Antony, also gave its stamp of approval to a new process of acquisition by which buying globally would be the last option. A new gradation has now been set under which the first priority would be to ‘buy Indian’, the next would be ‘buy and make Indian’ that would allow private entities room for collaboration, after which would come options of ‘buy and make global’ and then ‘buy global’.

This, sources said, is another step aimed at giving priority to the Indian private sector so that they can set up defence manufacturing units in India, either on their own or through collaboration. All this will be part of the new Defence Procurement Policy, which is expected to be finalised at the next DAC meeting on April 20.

Significant changes are also expected in the preparation of Qualitative Requirements (QRs) for the purchase of military equipment. The new policy is likely to make it clear that once the DAC approves a set of QRs, then no deviation would be permitted. But if necessary for any technical reason, it would have to be approved afresh by the DAC.

Insiders said that Ministry of Defence still remains opposed to increasing the FDI limit in the sector from 26 to 49 per cent. The view is that there exists a provision to approve such investment in special cases depending on the nature of technology to be transferred and that is as far as the Ministry would like to go for the moment.

Thanks for info
 
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The problem is rapists, murders and criminals can easily get weapons through black market and illegally ... It really is not that difficult when you think about all the gangs and rebels carrying guns with them ..

Britain banned Guns and their crime violance has only increases

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Mail Online

They banned guns and violence increases by 89%.. because the law abiding citizens don't have any weapons to protect themselves with ...

I don't think allowing guns is good idea bcoz.

1) people will start pulling out guns for silly quarrels, just for showing off, which might get outta control with the other guy taking it too seriously & shooting him right in :guns: head :)

2) I think crime rate will go up too as Fist fights will turn into Gun fights :confused:
 
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Great news :tup:
I wish OFB lose it so that they wake up ASAP and our private sector get the needed boost :D

I hope they never allow that. Fire arm culture cause more problems than it solves. So we are better off it. Last thing we want is firearms in road riots.

A deranged person can still procure an illegal weapon and go about his thing...moreover there are more incidents world over with illegal guns than licensed ones....India has one of the largest illegal arms industry in the world

At Gunpoint: India Tackles an Upsurge in Illegal Arms
In a small tent, in a village about 60 miles outside the capital, Salim is putting the finishing touches on his gun. Despite the bright sun outside, the shelter is dark and Salim, who uses only one name, has to bend close to see the homemade pistol he’s been working on for the last hour. Salim, 50, makes pistols and rifles in his clandestine workshop in Jhola, in the north Indian state of Uttar Pradesh, where many villagers work in India’s illegal gun making trade. Low periods are rare, Salim says, and business gets a major boost during the election season, when local politicians buy in bulk. During those periods, he said, he sells guns for anywhere between $90-$600. “We have been doing this for generations,” he said.. “I worked with my father and now my son works with me.”

Homemade guns have been bought and sold across India for decades, but a string of murders in Delhi has brought fresh attention to the problem. There are 40 million illegal small arms in circulation in the country, accounting for more than half the 75 million illegal small arms currently in circulation globally, according to International Action Network on Small Arms, Amnesty International and Oxfam. Today, India is second only to the U.S. in the proportion of civilians who own guns, and the number is growing. The Control Arms Federation of India estimates that 5000 people are killed each year in small arms violence unrelated to the country’s domestic insurgencies. “The continuing proliferation of small arms and light weapons in India is not just a threat to public safety but also to the internal security of the country,” said Binalakshmi Nepram who co-founder Control Arms. “Today if you get into a fight in a car, in traffic, you might just be shot.”

(MORE: Is India’s Gun Violence Spiraling Out of Control?)

The potential for further violence has many worried. Large signs in Delhi’s malls and restaurants prohibiting arms and ammunition are a constant reminder of the proliferation of arms in the capital. In October, the Delhi police arrested a 55-year-old man who had been making illegal guns since the 1980s in a factory in Uttar Pradesh and supplying them to buyers in Delhi and a few other states in northern India like Haryana and Punjab. A report released by Delhi police in September stated that most of the murders in the national capital in 2012 were executed with illegal weapons, mostly trafficked from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. “Our challenge is two-fold,” says SBS Tyagi, a deputy commissioner of the crime branch of Delhi police. “First, there are often not sufficient intelligence and second, these [manufacturing units] are often in remote areas,” which, he said, makes arrests tough.

Salim works in the hub of India’s gun country, one of the poorest parts of India where other economic opportunities are scant. After a crackdown in the eastern state of Bihar, once the center of India’s illegal gun trade, the production hub moved to a swath of Uttar Pradesh known as the “badlands.” Often equated with the Wild West, the region, which borders Delhi, has become infamous for its gun culture and has become a major headache for the capital’s police force. In some markets in Delhi, the homemade pistols from Uttar Pradesh are available for as little as $30.

(MORE: The Case for Gun Control)

The cheap availability of homemade guns has rendered India’s gun law, which prohibits anyone below 21 or with a conviction to possess a gun, all but irrelevant. In September 2008, Soumya Viswanathan, a 26-year-old journalist, was shot and killed with a homemade pistol for resisting another car’s efforts to force her to pull over while she was on her way home from work. In 2011, video footage of two men gunning down a young tollbooth operator in Haryana was televised throughout the country. In another incident this year, a 23-year-old man from Delhi went on a shooting rampage, killing his ex-girlfriend, her landlady, her father and sister, before killing himself.With such crime on the rise, many in India are now not averse to arming themselves for the sake of protection.The gun rights lobby argues that by making it harder to get a legal gun license and making ammunitions and guns prohibitively expensive, the government is stoking the illegal trade. “If somebody commits a crime, there is a law,” says Congress parliamentarian and pro-gun rights advocate Naveen Jindal. “Guns are only protective instruments that can be used by women and elderly people to protect themselves.”

The United Nation’s Office on Drugs and Crime shows that gun crime in India is relatively low with 7.6% of all murders in 2009 committed with guns as compared to, say, Mexico, where gun crime accounts for 54.6% of all crimes. Gun violence was 9% of the 241,986 crimes that were reported from the country in 2010. But with crime on an upward swing in India – there’s been a 25% leap just in the last decade – the need to arrest the growing acceptance of illegal guns is becoming increasingly urgent. Creating more jobs and economic opportunity in the hub of the gun trade will be crucial. “Poverty drives them to this trade,” Nepram says. “India’s challenge is to provide them alternate income and to empower the 500 million living below poverty level so that they don’t pick up guns.”

And this transition might already be underway in Jhola through the efforts of the panchayats, or village councils, that encourage the younger generation to move away from this illegal trade and instead engage in agriculture. Young people like Salim’s son, who has joined him in the illegal guns trade, might eventually find an alternative. “The young generation is on the path of change,” Mehboob Alam, a panchayat member from Jhola says. “Sugar cane cultivation and sugar production provides good-paying jobs and is the main source of income for many households now. “

At Gunpoint: India Tackles an Upsurge in Illegal Arms | TIME.com
 
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Very good, competition between Indian companies will squeeze the best out of them, especially those lazy ***** at the OFB ;)
 
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To everyone saying that allowing private industries to make handguns would increase gun culture in India:

Which country do you think has the largest ownership of private handguns? Surprise, surprise, it is India. And all of them from illegal sources. It is better to have a regulated private industry manufacturing guns, than to have the current practice of thugs acquiring home made firearms. Because if it is purchased through a reputable and regulated industry, it can be traced. The ammunition can be traced, so it will be difficult to use it for nefarious purposes, instead of legitimate self defence.

If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

And about defence manufacture. It is the height of stupidity played by India, that it banned private industries from indulging in defence manufacture and R&D. In the misguided socialistic mindset, the GoI closed down all the small gun factories spread across the country, and only OFB was allowed to manufacture guns and artillery and ammo for our troops. And then what happened?

We kept buying artillery and other defence products from FOREIGN PRIVATE firms like bofors or soltam or BAE or boeing and so on. So private defence production was banned in India, while taxpayers money went to foreign private firms. If private industry was allowed to make artillery guns since 1947, a lot of foreign exchange could have been retained in India, and today they would even be exporting these to smaller countries, creating forex reserves. As it stands, defence imports are the second biggest drain on our forex reserves, next to crude oil.

This is where our socialism lead us. In India all companies had to be owned by the government. And due to their incompetence and inefficiency, when they couldn't deliver, which was always the case, we would buy from private firms abroad. But even then, Indian private firms wouldn't be allowed to do the same. Government ownership of industries and businesses is the single biggest mistake we did in our independent history.
 
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pvt indian firm = foreign made products + indian paint + badly put together by indian crewmen and 3X the original prices. still better than drdodo :D
 
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