In 1947 two muslim countries should have been created!

[Raquib]

What about the 20 million Bangladeshis living in India then?

And millions of Bengali Muslims themselves.

The "kicked out" statement does reflect the kind of person you are. It is the same Hindu army of India that protected you back in 1971 from your Muslim brothers.

See your own Bangladeshi site for a starter course: 1971 Bangladesh Genocide Archive

cool down dude...according to your statement that you said hindus wouldnt wanna live in a Muslim state and in reply I meant it thn how about 10 million hindus living in Bangladesh and why they are staying in here if they woudnt like it...

now focus on the independence of Bangladesh. India played an assisting role here, i thankfully agree, but, in her own interest. ask this question to yourself that why would India help Bangladesh in gaining freedom in 1971 while many Bangladeshis jointly with Pakistani army from East Pakistan blew up innumerable Indian military trucks in the war of 1965...

The answer is here: just to seperate the country into two parts so the pressure from both parts would ease.

 

[Vinod2070]

cool down dude...according to your statement that you said hindus wouldnt wanna live in a Muslim state and in reply I meant it thn how about 10 million hindus living in Bangladesh and why they are staying in here if they woudnt like it...

So, it was never intended to have complete population transfer. The minorities were supposed to stay in the respective countries. In the Eastern part of the country the population migration did not happen to the same degree as in the Western one.

The border division happened as per the respective majority in the districts concerned. And it was the Muslims who insisted on the division of the country not Hindus. So your statement was factually wrong.

Muslims were supposed to be given the lion-share because we were the first to protest against the British...but those British culprits backed your side(the Hindus) and we lost our land...if Bangladesh could be merged with Assam and West-Bengal then we could have been known as a stronger nation and India's hope of being super-power wouldnt exist today...the British hated the Muslims and thats why to creat conflicts between Muslims they divided the lands keeping an approximate distance of 1600 km, where both cultures were totally different...and 1600 km was quite difficult for communication...

There is no basis for your claim that Assam and West Bengal should have gone to Bangladesh. There was no rhyme or reason for such fantastic claims. The minorities in place in a country is a separate matter from someone choosing to be a minority by joining another new country being created.

You may chose to blame the British, they are one of the major reason for the partition of the country.

now focus on the independence of Bangladesh. India played an assisting role here, i thankfully agree, but, in her own interest. ask this question to yourself that why would India help Bangladesh in gaining freedom in 1971 while many Bangladeshis jointly with Pakistani army from East Pakistan blew up innumerable Indian military trucks in the war of 1965...

The answer is here: just to seperate the country into two parts so the pressure from both parts would ease.

AFAIK, In 1965 there was no war in the Eastern theater.

You may analyze all you want as to why we rescued you and what was our interest. That does not change the facts that we did that.

 

[Raquib]

AFAIK, In 1965 there was no war in the Eastern theater.

You may analyze all you want as to why we rescued you and what was our interest. That does not change the facts that we did that.

i may have probably mixed up the years but i'm sure there was a war from the Eastern side.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

The point I am making is that there is no point in living in the past..in a world of 'if's, I wish, I hope, wouldn't have it been better if..?

These are questions that we South Asians will never be able to escape. India is as guilty if not more so than Pakistan and Bangladesh in looking back at the past and feeling an injustice was done to them and that maps should be redrawn and boundaries shifted.

 

[third eye]

These are questions that we South Asians will never be able to escape. India is as guilty if not more so than Pakistan and Bangladesh in looking back at the past and feeling an injustice was done to them and that maps should be redrawn and boundaries shifted.

Why worry over an inheritance our fathers singned on ? If fretting helps then its worth it,if not move on.

Nothing on earth or above will / can change the boundaries, howsoever ppl here may like to feel. Instead of coveting what is not with us, we need to cherish what now is ours.

 

[third eye]

cool down dude...according to your statement that you said hindus wouldnt wanna live in a Muslim state and in reply I meant it thn how about 10 million hindus living in Bangladesh and why they are staying in here if they woudnt like it...

now focus on the independence of Bangladesh. India played an assisting role here, i thankfully agree, but, in her own interest. ask this question to yourself that why would India help Bangladesh in gaining freedom in 1971 while many Bangladeshis jointly with Pakistani army from East Pakistan blew up innumerable Indian military trucks in the war of 1965...

The answer is here: just to seperate the country into two parts so the pressure from both parts would ease.

There are no free lunches in international polity ? Enjoy the pudding u have and always wanted . Isn't BD what Mujib wanted ? He got it.

 

[leonblack08]

I just found this old map used in an old documentary.Its interesting...

 

[rubyjackass]

I think it was a mistake in 1947 to create one muslim country, Pakistan with its two wings West Pakistan and East Pakistan so far apart from each other in terms of distance plus that in the middle lied our sworn enemy India with the power to block our land, sea and air access any time between our two wings. It should have been better if just as we got independence we had released East Pakistan as a seperate country with a common founder i.e. Quaid-e-Azam and mutual defence and securtiy agreement. This way we could have avoided the Bangladesh decable in 1971 and the bitterness it created. If there had been created two muslim countries with the same ideology just at the beginning, there would have been very close relationship between these two countries and there would have been love and confidence between the two countries. Also this would have made the two nations theory stronger and there would never have been a Bangladesh created on the basis of nationalism. Instead there would have been another muslim country most probably known as "Bangastan" and it would have been another Pakistan. Ties between the two countries Pakistan and Bangastan would have been so close that it would have looked like a single country. Do you agree with me? Share your views please. Thanks

I think Mujibur Rehman proposed a true federation in the then Pakistan with two states. The relations would have been much cordial and pleasant if the West Pakistani leaders agreed to this. Apparently, from sources like Wikipedia from where I learnt about this history, the earlier Pakistan constitution(1956) indeed provided for a federation of Pakistan which is what Mujibur Rehman was essentially demanding.
If this were accepted then it would have been enough for what you were suggesting. People in 1947 had no idea of what was to come right?
Also it(wiki article) says that Mujibur Rehman was not allowed to set up government even after he got majority.

Does the above story corroborate with the accepted Pakistan history?
If there are any discrepancies please enlighten me with what is accepted in Pakistan as history about this time.





On an entirely different note from the history I found on net and accepted Indian history sources that when the partition was being negotiated, it was said that Jinnah agreed for a federation of United India with two states of Hindustan and Pakistan. This would mean a weak centre which the Nehru sucker rejected due to his Socialist beliefs(Nobody believed this would have such far consequences. People then were thinking only in terms of socialist and anti-socialist. The world was narrow-minded regarding socialism). Imagine what would have happened if this was accepted. Rather too far-fetched but we would have rocked in the global arena. By now we would have become a super-power fighting other enemies including Israel(Then Israel would have certainly been our enemy). But another view point suggests that whatever technological achievements both nations have achieved is because of the situation of wars and rivalry. Other-wise we would have slackened and got stuck in bottom-less beauracracies.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

This is my post on another thread but relevant here ....

"These issues have been discussed to death. Why are they being brought up now? I am suspicious that some Bangladeshis are trying to break up the new harmony between Pakistan and Bangladesh. Lets face it most Bangladeshis like me were born after 1971 and for most teens today 1971 is a mere historical curiosity. I know this because I teach and I have been incapable of creating any interest over 1971 in my students who are more concerned about getting jobs and making big money.

This issue is further irrelevant because Sheikh Mujib was prepared to compromise on the 6 points but Bhutto prevented any progress. Sheikh Mujib himself was forced to adopt the 6 points by some student leaders. Some simply wanted a one point demand.

Whatever the debate on the six points it provides a lesson. At that time the Bengalis of East Pakistan did not want to be dominated. The same applies now and India is now the target of our anger. Bangladeshis should not lose sight of the trouble India is causing Bangladesh.

Indira Gandhi gave the Mujibnagar government a 7 point demand which was accepted by Prime Minister Nazrul Islam and accepted by Sheikh Mujib. This seven points would have made Bangladesh a vassal state of India and we would have no army since India would provide us with security. In other words Bangladesh would have become a province of India. Did Bangladeshis die in 1971 to become slaves of India? Why do you think the freedom fighters turned against Shiekh Mujib and killed him?"

YES IT WAS THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS THAT KILLED SHIEKH MUJIB NOT THE PRO-PAKISTAN ELEMENTS. AND THE KILLING WAS SUPPORTED BY THE ENTIRE COUNTRY BECAUSE THE AL ON INDIA'S ORDERS BECAME ANTI-DEMOCRATIC. MURDERERS, RAPISTS AND DACOITS AND MADE BANGLADESH A SUBSERVIENT STATE. GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON ........!!!!!

 

[rubyjackass]

Please provide source for the proposed 7 point agreement. I searched on net but nowhere I found a reference to this. It is generally agreed that the coup was CIA instigated(You may want to correct me on this).
Bangladesh had army by the time it got independence. This is the first time I am hearing about such a 7 point agreement though I know about the 6 point agreement.

About present generation being indifferent for issues you talked about, I don't see what you are trying to say. Its good for Bangladesh that it maintains relations with Pakistan. But you words look like undermining the sanctity of Bangladeshi movement. And yes India might have supported the Bangladeshi cause. As somebody mentioned previously 'There are no free lunches in international polity'. Atleast some part of India wanted to get rid of the immigrants and may be some other strategic interests. But history did record the seriousness of the immigrant issue.

 

[TopCat]

Which other areas were Muslim majority that should have gone to East Pakistan?

I thought the Chittagong hill tracts going to East Pakistan was a major mistake by the British! It destroyed the culture of that place forever.

It would have been Greater Bengal. It was Jinnah who traded Calcutta for Lahore and screwed Bengal for ever.. We had to build our own city, our own industrial base after 71.. But we are happy now.. No probs ;-)

 

[Vinod2070]

It would have been Greater Bengal. It was Jinnah who traded Calcutta for Lahore and screwed Bengal for ever.. We had to build our own city, our own industrial base after 71.. But we are happy now.. No probs ;-)

It's good that you are happy with what you have.

There was never any reason for Calcutta to go to Pakistan. It was overwhelmingly Hindu majority!

 

[TopCat]

These issues have been discussed to death. Why are they being brought up now? I am suspicious that some Bangladeshis are trying to break up the new harmony between Pakistan and Bangladesh. Lets face it most Bangladeshis like me were born after 1971 and for most teens today 1971 is a mere historical curiosity. I know this because I teach and I have been incapable of creating any interest over 1971 in my students who are more concerned about getting jobs and making big money.

Where do you teach brother? Who are those students? I never seen so many ignorant students in Bangladesh.... Thats very very strange

 

[TopCat]

It's good that you are happy with what you have.

There was never any reason for Calcutta to go to Pakistan. It was overwhelmingly Hindu majority!

Not really before partition. And it was Bengal which was muslim majority and Calcutta was part of it.

 

[Vinod2070]

Where do you teach brother? Who are those students? I never seen so many ignorant students in Bangladesh.... Thats very very strange

I would also be surprised if Bangladeshi youth are not interested in the events around their country's birth and their own raison d'atre.

When Pakistanis still have so much abiding interest in the events around 1947, why would it be any different for Bangladeshis!