Imran refuses to hold Taliban talks on his own

[FaujHistorian]

FATA was already out of folds of mainstream and had their own system - it wouldn't matter much if TTP is allowed the system of their choice in FATA, it can't be much worse then the current system.

you sure TTP is fighting for FATA only>

 

[Jazzbot]

@Sedqal @W.11 @LoveIcon

The main war hit area is FATA, which is directly under federal govt and our President and PM have direct authority over this territory. Whether IK should lead these dialogue or not is another question, can someone care to explain why federal govt is too reluctant to take care of its own duties? Why they are running around like chickens giving contradictory statements on peace talks every day? Incompetence or sheer ignorance?

Besides, this offer is just a political move to trap IK, we have seen the steps this govt has taken in past 7 months regarding peace talks, the u-turns our interior minister takes almost daily on this are evidence of govt's seriousness on this, so we can easily say what are their intentions behind this offer. IK is not gonna fall into it, please try someone else, he's too good to be fooled like this.

Same old story.

- PTI cried that line losses were due to PESCO (under centre thus PMLN's fault) and openly dared the govt to give the control to PTI which will run it better. Once the govt agreed to the proposal and agreed to transfer PESCO under provincial control PTI backtracked making the most ludicrous claims that PTI didn't only want distribution (i.e. PESCO) but generation also knowing full well that Govt won't be able to transfer that at this time.

- PTI cried that PMLN was deliberately delaying the dialogue with TTP, IK made great suggestions like opening a TTP office in KPK. The great sage (IK) reasoned that once an office for TTP is established Pakistani authorities could easily check after every bomb blast if TTP was behind it or someone else - I kid you not that was his statement. Now that PMLN govt has agreed to allow other political parties to come in and play their role another U-Turn is taken by PTI.

- If PTI accepts it and does go for a dialogue, it will easily be able to point any reluctance from govt's side - whats stopping PTI from playing a positive role when it was championing the dialogue cause? PTI has nothing to lose, it can make public any attempt by PMLN (or army) to sabotage the process - playing politics at this critical junction speaks volumes about the short sightedness of PTI.

Do you even know what PESCO stands for?

PESCO = Peshawar Electric Supply Company

Peshawar Electric Supply Company (PESCO), located in Peshawar provides service of power distribution to over 2.6 million consumers of all civil districts of Khyber Pukhtunkhwa, Pakistan. At PESCO networks, we own and maintain Khyber Pukhtunkhwa’s electricity distribution system via 132, 66, 33KV sub-transmission lines, sub-stations and 11KV & 440V low tension lines with distribution transformers that deliver electricity to your home or business.

Source: Peshawar Electric Supply Company

PTI demanded the control over PESCO not only bill recovery, but morons in federal govt were ready to just hand over authority over bill recovery. Suck it up buddy, such it up deep into your throat.

Now unless, govt gives complete authority over Power Distribution and Supply in KPK, nothing gonna happen. KP govt is not gonna collect bills for federal govt like a servant. You want us to collect bills and hand all that money to you without any share whatsoever, tell you what you are taking it wrong. Its Punjab where Patwaries are in govt, you are expecting this from wrong provincial govt.

If you want then I can even post IK's video in which he clearly asked federal govt to hand over control of PESCO, he never asked control over bill recovery alone.

 

[Alpha1]

Still trying to have peace with the beast are we?
ok lets suppose we have some kind of peace with the Taliban ?
what will they do next? Disarm ? will suddenly be ok with women education?
how many of you know those creature's Ideology? and how many of you are OK with it?

 

[M. Sarmad]

Still trying to have peace with the beast are we?
ok lets suppose we have some kind of peace with the Taliban ?
what will they do next? Disarm ? will suddenly be ok with women education?
how many of you know those creature's Ideology? and how many of you are OK with it?

Dont worry , PTI & IK would be the prime victims of the beast in the aftermath of any kind of "peace"(if) achieved through peace talks they always want soooo much !!
To treat a beast , you have to be a beast yourself
period

 

[Leader]

Well, that's right that PML-N haven't done anything till now, but It would have been better if IK had asked for full authority and mandate and had accepted this difficult task to prove that he is sincere & committed and can lead the nation out of crises, but he escaped the challenge which shows that his aim is just premiership like other heads of political parties.

apart from the stupid conclusion, well pointed out. I think inside we all know there is going to be no dialogue with taliban or atleast as long as mullah fazal ullah is there, no one would like to hold dialogue, not even pro-peace Imran !

 

[Sedqal]

@Sedqal @W.11 @LoveIcon

The main war hit area is FATA, which is directly under federal govt and our President and PM have direct authority over this territory. Whether IK should lead these dialogue or not is another question, can someone care to explain why federal govt is too reluctant to take care of its own duties? Why they are running around like chickens giving contradictory statements on peace talks every day? Incompetence or sheer ignorance?

Besides, this offer is just a political move to trap IK, we have seen the steps this govt has taken in past 7 months regarding peace talks, the u-turns our interior minister takes almost daily on this are evidence of govt's seriousness on this, so we can easily say what are their intentions behind this offer. IK is not gonna fall into it, please try someone else, he's too good to be fooled like this.




Do you even know what PESCO stands for?

PESCO = Peshawar Electric Supply Company




PTI demanded the control over PESCO not only bill recovery, but morons in federal govt were ready to just hand over authority over bill recovery. Suck it up buddy, such it up deep into your throat.

Now unless, govt gives complete authority over Power Distribution and Supply in KPK, nothing gonna happen. KP govt is not gonna collect bills for federal govt like a servant. You want us to collect bills and hand all that money to you without any share whatsoever, tell you what you are taking it wrong. Its Punjab where Patwaries are in govt, you are expecting this from wrong provincial govt.

If you want then I can even post IK's video in which he clearly asked federal govt to hand over control of PESCO, he never asked control over bill recovery alone.

- Dude seriously check out the statements by IK and rest of KPK ministers. There are line losses which are directly related to 'DISTRIBUTION' of electricity which is under PESCO. PTI first dared the govt to give it the distribution (i.e. PESCO) when govt agreed they took a u-turn and said that DISTRIBUTION without GENERATION is useless and they 'want 'generation' (WAPDA) too. Govt is willing to give them full control over PESCO today.

- Someone from Govt is going to head the dialogue, Govt is already asking Maulana SameeulHaq etc. In same regard Govt is offering PTI to become a part. There is absolutely nothing wrong in it and PTI can go public anytime if Govt tries to sabotage the dialogue. Lets say PTI reaches an agreement with TTP and govt has to accept certain conditions (lets say Shariat system in FATA) if PMLN does not oblige at that time it will take the full blame for this and PTI won't be damaged in anyway. Where is the grand conspiracy?

PTI now realizes that TTP is a headless horse and knows that dialogue won't bear any fruits. It wants to keep on blaming PMLN for their failure but does not want to become a part of dialogue.

 

[pak-marine]

This was Expected .... What PM says is the official party & federal govts stance , Buzdil khan keeps on whining and crying now he dont want to conduct MAZAKARAT

 

[airmarshal]

FATA was already out of folds of mainstream and had their own system - it wouldn't matter much if TTP is allowed the system of their choice in FATA, it can't be much worse then the current system.

For your kind info, FATA chief executive is the President of Pakistan. this President or one before, did not bother to address FATA issues.

In fact, by making this an excuse that FATA has its own laws, we have systematically separated it from Pakistan and allowed a foreign power to conduct drones. This is dishonesty of highest order.

Now unless, govt gives complete authority over Power Distribution and Supply in KPK, nothing gonna happen. KP govt is not gonna collect bills for federal govt like a servant. You want us to collect bills and hand all that money to you without any share whatsoever, tell you what you are taking it wrong. Its Punjab where Patwaries are in govt, you are expecting this from wrong provincial govt.

If you want then I can even post IK's video in which he clearly asked federal govt to hand over control of PESCO, he never asked control over bill recovery alone.

yeah, this PMLN cabal thinks anyone can be their servants. They think the whole country is like a patwari Punjab. If KPK govt had taken what PMLN patwaris were giving it, they would have said - 'look we have given the whole system to the KPK. If there is power outage in KPK its because of PTI govt there!'. I mean they are such idiots. The only thing they know is how to get money from banks, default on the loan and launder it abroad.

 

[batmannow]

Btaman jee, someone is flashing the batman signal from AFIC

does it matters?
batmans do thier own dam work?
who ever stupid is flashing, but why he is flashing inspires me most?
nice detalit post, BTW from ur good end?

 

[Sedqal]

For your kind info, FATA chief executive is the President of Pakistan. this President or one before, did not bother to address FATA issues.

In fact, by making this an excuse that FATA has its own laws, we have systematically separated it from Pakistan and allowed a foreign power to conduct drones. This is dishonesty of highest order.



yeah, this PMLN cabal thinks anyone can be their servants. They think the whole country is like a patwari Punjab. If KPK govt had taken what PMLN patwaris were giving it, they would have said - 'look we have given the whole system to the KPK. If there is power outage in KPK its because of PTI govt there!'. I mean they are such idiots. The only thing they know is how to get money from banks, default on the loan and launder it abroad.

- People like Asad Qaisar (PTI) are on record saying that FATA system is far better then the system in rest of Pakistan and locals are not willing to change it. Eventhough everyone else realizes that FATA should be brought in the mainstream its the political interests (not from PMLN) which is keeping FATA in this state. You can't blame centre when politicians like Asad Qaiser paint it like a crime against FATA and consider it against the agreement via which FATA became a part of Pakistan. Journalists like Saleem Safi have written about this a lot.

- It is shameful to suggest that serving people is in any way menial or servant like. Better performance of PESCO means better service for people of KPK (same people who elected PTI to power). You are ignoring the fact that PTI challenged the govt. to give the control of PESCO to them and then they chickened out. Secondly according to 18th amendment every provincial govt will get distribution sooner or later, its only a matter of time. What is highly amusing is that it is only after 18th amendment (thanks to PPP primarily and PMLN) that provinces today enjoy so much freedom. Rather then doing anything worthwhile PTI is simply passing the buck. Now the claim they can't improve security because they don't control Army, they can't tackle electricity losses because they don't have generation, they can't stop drones because they don;t have foreign ministry. Half of the time the buck is passed via the excuse that they don't have the federal ministries, rest of the time blame is shifted squarely on ANP's last govt. These shenanigans at this time (after 18th amendment) are truly amusing, I don't know what PTI would have done prior to 18th amendment where centre controlled almost everything.

But the half of PTI trolls have no idea what a constitutional amendment is, what were the basis of 18th amendment and how it changed the system of governance. They are only good for trolling.

 

[airmarshal]

- People like Asad Qaisar (PTI) are on record saying that FATA system is far better then the system in rest of Pakistan and locals are not willing to change it. Eventhough everyone else realizes that FATA should be brought in the mainstream its the political interests (not from PMLN) which is keeping FATA in this state. You can't blame centre when politicians like Asad Qaiser paint it like a crime against FATA and consider it against the agreement via which FATA became a part of Pakistan. Journalists like Saleem Safi have written about this a lot.

- It is shameful to suggest that serving people is in any way menial or servant like. Better performance of PESCO means better service for people of KPK (same people who elected PTI to power). You are ignoring the fact that PTI challenged the govt. to give the control of PESCO to them and then they chickened out. Secondly according to 18th amendment every provincial govt will get distribution sooner or later, its only a matter of time. What is highly amusing is that it is only after 18th amendment (thanks to PPP primarily and PMLN) that provinces today enjoy so much freedom. Rather then doing anything worthwhile PTI is simply passing the buck. Now the claim they can't improve security because they don't control Army, they can't tackle electricity losses because they don't have generation, they can't stop drones because they don;t have foreign ministry. Half of the time the buck is passed via the excuse that they don't have the federal ministries, rest of the time blame is shifted squarely on ANP's last govt. These shenanigans at this time (after 18th amendment) are truly amusing, I don;t what PTI would have done prior to 18th amendment where centre controlled almost everything.

I see. So what is the federal govt doing? Which has all the powers to do anything they want to do. Its not even a coalition. Its a majority govt.

PTI is doing commendable job in KPK, in very difficult circumstances. That being said, problems in Pakistan are interconnected. Cant do party baazi on this.

However, it remains that PMLN elected President is Chief Executive of FATA just like PMLN chief is the chief executive of Pakistan. Both I think cant run a corner general store, let alone a country!

 

[Jazzbot]

- Dude seriously check out the statements by IK and rest of KPK ministers. There are line losses which are directly related to 'DISTRIBUTION' of electricity which is under PESCO. PTI first dared the govt to give it the distribution (i.e. PESCO) when govt agreed they took a u-turn and said that DISTRIBUTION without GENERATION is useless and they 'want 'generation' (WAPDA) too. Govt is willing to give them full control over PESCO today.

- Someone from Govt is going to head the dialogue, Govt is already asking Maulana SameeulHaq etc. In same regard Govt is offering PTI to become a part. There is absolutely nothing wrong in it and PTI can go public anytime if Govt tries to sabotage the dialogue. Lets say PTI reaches an agreement with TTP and govt has to accept certain conditions (lets say Shariat system in FATA) if PMLN does not oblige at that time it will take the full blame for this and PTI won't be damaged in anyway. Where is the grand conspiracy?

PTI now realizes that TTP is a headless horse and knows that dialogue won't bear any fruits. It wants to keep on blaming PMLN for their failure but does not want to become a part of dialogue.

Again you are manipulating things to your own pleasure. IK demanded the control of PESCO loud and clear, he didn't ask for only bill recovery, there are video evidences of his press conference in which he asked govt to hand over PESCO control to KP govt if they can't deal with electricity theft and other issues. PESCO control means complete PESCO control, in simple words control of electricity supply, distribution and recovery..


About peace talks, well IK didn't fall for your offer, now PMLN should better start looking at other options and prove that they are serious in doing peace talks as per APC resolution.