Imran Khan's secret weapon

[Mentee]

Huge houses from 1 kanal to 4 kanal,

Actually its acres

 

[S.Y.A]

Then this is the first thing that should be changed. They should try and pass legislation to change it.

here is the issue with this: should the politicians be able to hire, fire and transfer civil servants? if yes, it would lead to severe political interference, as already seen in the transfers of police and dmg group. if no, how would you implement accountability? if its the civil servants, they mostly have friends here and there, or enemies, so an inquiry committee would be biased, another problem is that the committee may consist of all the haramkhors who want to throw out the imandaar. if its the agencies, the civil servants simply stop working out of fear, or just claim to be afraid of getting caught.

Its very hard to keep a balance....

The issue lies fundamentally with the system that we have, and the mindset of our people. the reason people like to serve in civil service/police/army (or in politics) is because of the power it brings. anyone whose reasons to serve revolve around power, money, fame or whatnot, and not to provide service to the public, is corrupt from the get go.

Actually its acres

Maybe in the countryside, in Islamabad its generally in kanals.

 

[Mentee]

the simplest but toughest way is to fire them all.

Agre and hire real life professionals on contract basis so they don't end up weaving webs of "acquaintances " over the years besides, only way feasible to promote science and innovation

Maybe in the countryside, in Islamabad its generally in kanals.

Isb karcahi etc are a general exceptions as they are home to the bigger vultures

 

[S.Y.A]

Isb karcahi etc are a general exceptions as they are home to the bigger vultures

not really. get appointed to ministry of housing and works, and you can assign a nice big house to yourself in F-6 or G-6....

 

[313ghazi]

here is the issue with this: should the politicians be able to hire, fire and transfer civil servants? if yes, it would lead to severe political interference, as already seen in the transfers of police and dmg group. if no, how would you implement accountability? if its the civil servants, they mostly have friends here and there, or enemies, so an inquiry committee would be biased, another problem is that the committee may consist of all the haramkhors who want to throw out the imandaar. if its the agencies, the civil servants simply stop working out of fear, or just claim to be afraid of getting caught.

Its very hard to keep a balance....

The issue lies fundamentally with the system that we have, and the mindset of our people. the reason people like to serve in civil service/police/army (or in politics) is because of the power it brings. anyone whose reasons to serve revolve around power, money, fame or whatnot, and not to provide service to the public, is corrupt from the get go.

Maybe in the countryside, in Islamabad its generally in kanals.

Only the civil service should be able to hire/fire but the minister is their client and they need to be measured against their performance.

If i am a civil servant and decide i'm going to play ludo all day, after a period of time there needs to be accountability for that.

 

[S.Y.A]

Only the civil service should be able to hire/fire but the minister is their client and they need to be measured against their performance.

If i am a civil servant and decide i'm going to play ludo all day, after a period of time there needs to be accountability for that.

too much work... kon karay itni mehnat. the politicians are idiots, and the civil servants are smart. besides, PTI will need all its people and some from the opposition to vote in favor of such a bill for it to become a law. and in such bills, the wording is always somewhat ambiguous and open-ended by design, to favor the aggrieved party, so that they can get off on technicalities whenever there is an inquiry or a case against them.

If i am a civil servant and decide i'm going to play ludo all day, after a period of time there needs to be accountability for that.

It may reflect in the ACR, even then, that civil servant will be transferred elsewhere to a less important posting (depending on the types of contacts he/she has). Recent step by IK to forcefully retire civil servants in grade 19-22 based on their past ACRs is a tiny step in the right direction, but even then, the ACR system is flawed. Seniors of a person may have rubbished his/her ACRs simply because they do not like them, or that they are too Imaandaar for the system, or for the senior to swallow.

 

[Adecypher]

For me seeing the issues faced by the people of Karachi at the hands of pee pee pee … I will commend PMIK when he will take solid steps to figure out how to deal with corruption in Sindh … and specifically how to resolve the issues of Karachi … how can you neglect the biggest City of your Country which generates the highest revenue for the Country and in return can not get the required funding to run it properly…kiya yeh kula tazaad nahi hey?

 

[Saudang]

15,000 targets have been set for 41 ministries. Broken down it's ~365 targets for each ministry. Each ministry will have hundreds of people working to reach these targets. It's easy.

I work in a small team, each of us is assigned 5-6 targets for our personal performance every year. Within 20 people that's 100 targets. These targets are based on what our senior management have been tasked to achieve. Those targets are based on the companies ambitions for the year.

Why should government fail to work in the same model?
I would be shocked of this wasn't how they worked already.

Thanks for correcting me

 

[Attila the Hun]

It must be very confusing for Pakistan.
Imran Khan has Jewish children. Jews are allies of India... who to support, your own children or Pakistan?

 

[313ghazi]

It must be very confusing for Pakistan.
Imran Khan has Jewish children. Jews are allies of India... who to support, your own children or Pakistan?

1. Pakistan and judaism are not opposites.
2. His former wife is a Muslim
3. His sons are Muslims

 

[Mentee]

Pakistan and judaism are not opposites

In a way its correct !

It's the sorcerers and money lenders we both should have a problem with .

 

[BON PLAN]

If a politician does corruption of X amount, a bureacrate does by 10X…..

The bureaucrates are installed by politicians.....

 

[Mahmood-ur-Rehman]

Something remarkable is happening in Pakistan and no one is talking about it. All 41 ministries have set 15,000 outcome-oriented performance targets for the next two years, which will be reviewed quarterly by the Prime Minister. About 2000-man hours have been spent on this in the last few weeks alone and the climax of this is to come as each minister publicly signs a performance agreement with the PM. This isn’t a smokescreen; this is a paradigm shift on accountability in a way Pakistan’s hasn’t seen before. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. In this column, I’ll unveil the iceberg itself, which hasn’t been done before and it’ll blow your mind.

First, it’s important to understand the challenge we’re trying to solve for. Pakistan’s permanent government bureaucracy is quite talented but focused on process versus outcomes, to put it politely. Even the acronym CSS, which stands for Central ‘Superior’ Services, communicates a world view and an attitude. Political governments may come and go with different visions but ultimately, the bureaucracy holds the keys to whether real change is felt by citizens. How do you transform the entrenched world view of the bureaucracy to make them more responsive to citizens, without smacking them in public so they stop cooperating?

That is the fundamental conundrum at the heart of Naya Pakistan’s governance goals and performance agreements appear to be one answer. These are the kind of performance agreements that are used in developed countries such as the UK and New Zealand. Here’s how the process works: Each Ministry prepares first draft of their goals and presents to a Review Committee who makes sure that the goals are outcome-driven and not process-driven. The final draft is shared with PM Office and feedback is discussed with ministries. A final agreement is then signed by PM and Minister. Quarterly reviews are then held, including summaries reviewed by the PM personally, to make sure delivery for government’s agenda is on track or corrective action is taken.

This may appear to be a fairly standard corporate performance management system introduced by HR or a slightly more structured step up from the current ACR review process for civil servants. But there are some qualitative game changers which are being seeded in this process which over time will result in a paradigm shift on governance.

First, this process structurally solves for dependency. So previously, a Ministry could say the work is done at their end but stuck at another Ministry. Now these dependencies are highlighted at the quarterly review meetings, which are attended by the four ministries where most work gets stuck (for example, finance). In one case, a Ministry had been waiting for two years for an NOC from another Ministry and they got their NOC immediately following the quarterly review meeting. Second, quarterly milestones and reviews ensure that work isn’t hastily and sloppily done in the last quarter but instead the first quarter review sets the tone for the rest of the year.

Third, work doesn’t happen during the year on the whims of a Minister or a Secretary or headline of the day, but institutional focus and memory is created as even newly transferred secretaries receive the same goals as their predecessor.

Finally, new ideas can be proactively incubated into the work plan by political leadership institutionally and democratically versus exerting pressure.

This is the slow burn, unsexy work of governance which happens behind the scenes but is transformational over time. This isn’t just about PTI but for all future political leadership to energise the bureaucracy to deliver on their agenda and vision. It moves our government forward from running on relationships and headlines of the day to structurally lifting governance outcomes.

There are two more benefits to this. First, the accountability narrative is going to pivot away from the controversy around political victimisation to self-accountability. This is a new breed of accountability Pakistan hasn’t seen before and is a welcome change. Second, this is the most democratic way of doing civil service reform in a developing country. To demand a higher level of service and make the bureaucracy responsive through a constant feedback loop is a leap forward for Pakistan’s democratic culture.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 8th, 2021.

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Bureaucracy is not a solution but problems only specialists with target oriented job is the solution with periodic performance auidit

 

[RealNapster]

until 60 years of age. not even the PM can fire you, until and unless a very serious misconduct is uncovered

Govt should abolish this "60 saala" system, instead government should abolish life time payment system, double pays and start hiring for a period of 10 years only.

 

[S.Y.A]

Govt should abolish this "60 saala" system, instead government should abolish life time payment system, double pays and start hiring for a period of 10 years only.

Bhai govt job is mostly a clerkship, esp in ministries and secratariat. No need for double pay. Police and DMG on the other hand is another story. Dmg grp should abolished, and replaced by local bodies. Police needs restructuring and good pay. Nothimg else for anyone else.