Imran Khan's indecisiveness makes Pakistan a joke after no action on airspace ban.

[salarsikander]

Does anybody or country should care about IATA commitments when two hostile countries have armed forces on the border and hostilities is at peak

No, I dont see a standoff at border like the one during operation brass tacks or the 2002 stand iff, nothing of that sort.

Secondly, Yes you should care when your own economy is tethering to survive, you CANNOT afford to isolate yourself at any cost,

Does India care for ICC or ICJ or UNO observer group? Then how come we should care or listen to world bodies alone? By our always showing rule following will describe us as weak and demoralise the mass sentiments.

Do state that Does ICC, ICK or UN Observer group has the capacity to Coerce any sovereign state? and compare that with IATA when you will have to pay huge amount in terms of Fines, and not ignoring the fact the same Ban will be applied by IATA on PIA.

Such pathetic Fanboy mentality is another reason why Pakistan has lost so many International cases like Reqo dik without caring for Norms that are known Globally

Does the world’s so called largest democracy had shown even an iota of democracy in annexation of article 370 so why the hell its only us worring for it.

Lol seems like raging hormones, tell me how is your economy surving ? om IMF loan right ?

If the other Muslims countries don’t support us then we shouldn’t care

Please return the Saudi Money, UAE money and also Leave Saudia Arabia , resign from your job or whatever work you do there and live here with dignity and then talk, Before all this whatever you say is totally indignity, ungrateful and devoid of geopolitical reality, It is easier said than done. Please always remember beggars cant be choosers, when your leadership keeps iqama of UAE then what do you expect of that country to become ?

Does anybody or country should care about IATA commitments when two hostile countries have armed forces on the border and hostilities is at peak ?
Does India care for ICC or ICJ or UNO observer group? Then how come we should care or listen to world bodies alone? By our always showing rule following will describe us as weak and demoralise the mass sentiments.
Does the world’s so called largest democracy had shown even an iota of democracy in annexation of article 370 so why the hell its only us worring for it.
If the other Muslims countries don’t support us then we shouldn’t care for their getting additional taxes if India impose on them due to our airspace closure for Indian airlines

Anyone who is of the view that Prime Minister of Pakistan, Imran Khan and his government are a failure by not imposing the Air-Space Ban on india, are either dumb, or stupid or both.

In order to impose a comprehensive airspace ban on another country, that too which has a direct border with the country imposing a ban. There are many factors that come into play, which have to be mitigated tactfully. Otherwise you may just be a "Jahil, Gawaar" and end up hurting Pakistan's already battered economy.

First things first, Government of Pakistan has to all it's bases in terms of litegatative blowback. Secondly, Government of Pakistan must replace revenue source with other countries and airlines for air-routes through it's territory in order to minimize or eliminate any losses incurred. Thirdly, this ban, when imposed, will not be a temporary measure since the enemy's actions were also of permanent nature.

Look before you leap is not an act of cowardice, rather an act of intellect. Something which is seriously lacking in some Pakistanis on this forum. I mean to say man, come on, some of these "Jiyalay" are worse than a pregnant woman on a hot day! Get a friggin grip on yourselves and stop behaving like a mad cow.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Government is clueless.people are sick and tired of pti ministers.it still feel bad because we acted like a child after 370.clearly there is no policy.basically there is no strategy to deal with these type of events like 370.

 

[salarsikander]

@VCheng Can we be anymore ungrateful to Arabs? Or can we actually rise above Hollow emotions and look at the reality around us, ever?

 

[mingle]

BJP is an extremely third grade version of Nazi.

Hindus been enslaved by Muslims and later Brits for almost thousand yrs so inferior complex is in theior psychology. Due to this complex they try to come up with these theories been derived from Nazis beacuse it gave them escape. In real terms Nazis probably treat them more bad than Brits.i don't mind that complex is here and will stay

 

[VCheng]

@VCheng Can we be anymore ungrateful to Arabs? Or can we actually rise above Hollow emotions and look at the reality around us, ever?

There is much to discuss but I have two undeserved warnings effective until September 23 (given by a certain moderator) and therefore I need to be careful about what I can post here. However, reality of course will remain what it is whether we are able to see it or not, or to discuss it.

 

[mingle]

Government is clueless.people are sick and tired of pti ministers.it still feel bad because we acted like a child after 370.clearly there is no policy.basically there is no strategy to deal with these type of events like 370.

What steps do you recommend?? Plz give us suggestions?

 

[salarsikander]

There is much to discuss but I have two undeserved warnings effective until September 23 (given by a certain moderator) and therefore I need to be careful about what I can post here. However, reality of course will remain what it is whether we are able to see it or not, or to discuss it.

Those who dont learn from the history are condemned to repeat it

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Anyone who is of the view that Prime Minister of Pakistan, Imran Khan and his government are a failure by not imposing the Air-Space Ban on india, are either dumb, or stupid or both.

In order to impose a comprehensive airspace ban on another country, that too which has a direct border with the country imposing a ban. There are many factors that come into play, which have to be mitigated tactfully. Otherwise you may just be a "Jahil, Gawaar" and end up hurting Pakistan's already battered economy.

First things first, Government of Pakistan has to all it's bases in terms of litegatative blowback. Secondly, Government of Pakistan must replace revenue source with other countries and airlines for air-routes through it's territory in order to minimize or eliminate any losses incurred. Thirdly, this ban, when imposed, will not be a temporary measure since the enemy's actions were also of permanent nature.

Look before you leap is not an act of cowardice, rather an act of intellect. Something which is seriously lacking in some Pakistanis on this forum. I mean to say man, come on, some of these "Jiyalay" are worse than a pregnant woman on a hot day! Get a friggin grip on yourselves and stop behaving like a mad cow.

So IK suddenly chooses to cautiously plan and delay his moves?? Up until now, he has been reactive, almost unpredictable, but never proactive or preparing himself and his nation in any way.

My gut tells me a lot (perhaps not all) of what happened this year only came to pass because IK unexpectedly came to power, which thwarted a lot of plans of foreign powers that are in pmln and ppp's pockets. India panicked at several key junctures this year. That is actually when they are at their weakest and make mistakes e.g. balakot.

Notice that we are also at our strongest when we don't talk forever about reacting - we just react instinctively and decisively with as quick a risk assessment as possible just for completion (as per dgispr).

We cannot be proactive in this case as we haven't planned for any of this. That leaves two options - either react hard and incisively and decisively (like we did in February), or dawdle and let India gain the advantage.

I say IK should close the airspace as a reflex without thinking any longer.

Keep India guessing. Keep the ball in their court.

Then while the ball is in their court, PLAN AND PREPARE FOR ALL THEIR POSSIBLE MOVES, SO that we are proactive for the next round.

Notice that India's threat is some vague unrealistic proposal to blockade Karachi, not all out war. India isn't sure it can win anything conventional, which is exactly why we should maintain our dominant posture at present. Now is the correct time to capitalize on Indian uncertainty. Next year, another balakot may end in their favour, then we have nothing to back our bluff up and Indian confidence will rise.

Pakistan shouldn't be afraid and just go ahead and call the bdstrd's bluff.

Otherwise India will inevitably call ours.

 

[Arsalan 345]

What steps do you recommend?? Plz give us suggestions?

Air space ban, war like situation,loc flare up,air Force violation,paf Wolfpack tactics, reinforcement,China Pakistan joint military operation against India( no such plan exists,I think) all trade routes ban,attacking Indian oil supplying tankers in Arabian ocean,destruction of Indian submarines even in international waters, loc to be renamed as cease fire line, Kashmir not bilateral but open for third party intervention, declaration of military support for Kashmir,recall ambassador from countries who are friendly towards India,hang kulbhushan yadav and celebrate it on the streets of Azad Kashmir, kulbhushan death penalty and execution live coverage on all pakistani channels,bring back Musharraf for consultation about possible military operation inside India,declare emergency,stop afghan peace process,make ib another loc, infiltration from ib.

 

[Armchair]

At this sensitive time, only enemies of Pakistan will start such threads, to weaken our leadership and put doubts in our mind. You can act like a pride of lions or a bunch of hyenas it is up to you.

This is the time for unity not for petty small mindedness.

 

[salarsikander]

we acted like a child after 370.

Do explain how an adult would have reacted to 370 something that we or contemporary world doesn't recognise as the move is still illegal withing international understanding of Norms, article 370 or none of it, doesn't really matter as the region is and will remain disputed

Air space ban, war like situation,loc flare up,air Force violation,paf Wolfpack tactics, reinforcement,China Pakistan joint military operation against India( no such plan exists,I think) all trade routes ban,attacking Indian oil supplying tankers in Arabian ocean,destruction of Indian submarines even in international waters, loc to be renamed as cease fire line, Kashmir not bilateral but open for third party intervention, declaration of military support for Kashmir,recall ambassador from countries who are friendly towards India,hang kulbhushan yadav and celebrate it on the streets of Azad Kashmir, kulbhushan death penalty and execution live coverage on all pakistani channels,bring back Musharraf for consultation about possible military operation inside India,declare emergency,stop afghan peace process,make ib another loc, infiltration from ib.

Do you know how much you have in reserves? War is a very expensive business

 

[Verve]

Modi has played all his cards, other than all out military attack on Pakistan &/or start a genocide in Kashmir. Those two cards are fully exposed too.

The ball is very much in our court now. We can take time planning and executing the permanent punitive actions. Element of surprise is with us now.

 

[AFlover]

No, I dont see a standoff at border like the one during operation brass tacks or the 2002 stand iff, nothing of that sort.

It doesn’t matter what you and me see, it’s a matter of what the state/ Government of Pakistan see. If the government see it as an exceptional hostile circumstances you can do whatever seems good to Pakistan. You have shifted ur armed forces to east border from west for what? Off course for unusual situation? Why the forward operational bases r active? Because it’s not normal relations with India on border. I am sure if it were India at the beneficiary end and Pakistan was the effectee she would have stopped/banned long back and IATA wouldn’t have done anything

Secondly, Yes you should care when your own economy is tethering to survive, you CANNOT afford to isolate yourself at any cost,

No doubt Economy is important but we can not hide under the cover of economy. When Its imperative to stand u have to stand with whatever is the cost u pay. No! u will not be isolated like this u have closed airspace for a hostile country and not for the whole world. We r too exaggerating the IATA authority.
As not all airlines r members of IATA. IATA can’t force u for anything solely.

Do state that Does ICC, ICK or UN Observer group has the capacity to Coerce any sovereign state? and compare that with IATA when you will have to pay huge amount in terms of Fines, and not ignoring the fact the same Ban will be applied by IATA on PIA.

Why you feel IATA can do this or that?
Our stand off with India was over in Feb then y we kept the airspace closed till July and opened at our will? Did Pak pay any fine to IATA? At least it didn’t read it anywhere in news. I m sure it’s not.

Such pathetic Fanboy mentality is another reason why Pakistan has lost so many International cases like Reqo dik without caring for Norms that are known Globally

Wen you closed ur airspace last time u had a same mentality it was based on ur government decision which superseded any IATA norms.
For Reqo deck and power rental cases we had lots of haram eaters and many ignorant case handlers who couldn’t handle the case well at international court. This is the reason that not all but most of the cases we lost at ICJ. I would say it’s a matter of lack of skill and sometimes it’s prejudiced attitude of world body

Lol seems like raging hormones, tell me how is your economy surving ? om IMF loan right ?

When we fought 65 and Kargil wars was our economy shining? We were more or less at same level, so we can’t cry for the economy all times and btw is our economy based on airspace revenue only? That if we ban airspace then economy will go flat?

Please return the Saudi Money, UAE money and also Leave Saudia Arabia , resign from your job or whatever work you do there and live here with dignity and then talk, Before all this whatever you say is totally indignity, ungrateful and devoid of geopolitical reality, It is easier said than done. Please always remember beggars cant be choosers, when your leadership keeps iqama of UAE then what do you expect of that country to become ?

Why does working abroad seems strange to u? R we Pakistani the only nation who work abroad? Indian r way more than us everywhere as they contribute in their economy so does we contribute to Pakistani economy. We send billions of dollars every year. We have European, Americans, arabs as well as Chinese Korean Japanese working abroad and contribute to their county.
Govt returned 11B$ as debts taken by previous governments how was it possible to pay? It’s our money.
So with whatever is our county and population size we have to live with it with as much as possible in dignity and have to fight for national interests as far as possible. No need to be pessimistic

 

[rak_987]

Hahahah
Looney Toons trying to defend PTI govt. making stupid claims.
This apologist @salarsikander bringing in organizations who have nothing to do with air travel or regulations.

 

[mingle]

Air space ban, war like situation,loc flare up,air Force violation,paf Wolfpack tactics, reinforcement,China Pakistan joint military operation against India( no such plan exists,I think) all trade routes ban,attacking Indian oil supplying tankers in Arabian ocean,destruction of Indian submarines even in international waters, loc to be renamed as cease fire line, Kashmir not bilateral but open for third party intervention, declaration of military support for Kashmir,recall ambassador from countries who are friendly towards India,hang kulbhushan yadav and celebrate it on the streets of Azad Kashmir, kulbhushan death penalty and execution live coverage on all pakistani channels,bring back Musharraf for consultation about possible military operation inside India,declare emergency,stop afghan peace process,make ib another loc, infiltration from ib.

Realy?????