Imran Khan may back down on resignation demand: sources

[VCheng]

Officials on condition of anonymity told Dawn that the removal of General (retd) Pervez Musharraf’s name from the Exit Control List was the litmus test in the reported verbal agreement between the government and military.
Sources said that in return for the removal of his name, the demand by protesting parties for Nawaz’s resignation will be called off

How dare a civilian government hold an ex-COAS to account? If NS promises to know and keep his place, he can keep his seat. Otherwise, he will be booted out.

Of course,who are the reals masters here? If elected governments are held hostage by the "angels", how can they develop a mindset of serving the people, who should be the real master of them all?

But this is Pakistan.

 

[Dubious]

If elected governments are held hostage by the "angels", how can they develop a mindset of serving the people,

Mindset is not developed by giving free laptops (in a country which already lacks electricity) or by hanging on metro bus...

Developing schools and hospitals would have shown a change towards developing mindsets!

 

[VCheng]

Mindset is not developed by giving free laptops (in a country which already lacks electricity) or by hanging on metro bus...

Developing schools and hospitals would have shown a change towards developing mindsets!

Mindset is not developed by marches and dharnas either.

At the end of the day, everybody is made to lick the same proverbial boots. There was, is, and will be, no difference.

 

[Dubious]

Mindset is not developed by marches and dharnas either.

At the end of the day, everybody is made to lick the same proverbial boots. There was, is, and will be, no difference.

well for me the dharnas were for educating the public what their vote is worth and can do....which still the majority have no idea about the power their vote carries heck the power the people carry!

As for the same boot licking...well yea not until some bloody politics changes nothing is gonna change...this means the whole shitty system from basic policies to the department arrangement and management as well as those craps like the juridicial affiliation with politics needs to be broken off

 

[VCheng]

well for me the dharnas were for educating the public what their vote is worth and can do....which still the majority have no idea about the power their vote carries heck the power the people carry!

As for the same boot licking...well yea not until some bloody politics changes nothing is gonna change...this means the whole shitty system from basic policies to the department arrangement and management as well as those craps like the juridicial affiliation with politics needs to be broken off

It is far more likely that this same shitty system will carry on, because it works very well for those in real power. Why change?

 

[Luftwaffe]

Mindset is not developed by giving free laptops (in a country which already lacks electricity) or by hanging on metro bus...

Developing schools and hospitals would have shown a change towards developing mindsets!

Question to pml-n followers to answer this why sharif bradars go to london for their treatment and checkup of unknown diseases and why not to any local hospitals. Ok lets ease a bit for them how about building an international western standards advanced latest Hospital for the politicians both Feds and Opposition politicians/bureaucrats...so everyone can be treated at home No? They can't establish a modern state of the art hospital and these pml-n followers claim big about sharif bradars taraqi e Pakistan efforts. They couldn't even help daniel the poor 16 year old boy who needed money for heart transplant, but metro projects are important and hukumat is important democracy would be derailed so nobody touch it let Kings' rule. This is the reason people are on the road to over throw this Gov and like minded parties who are corrupt to the core...by the way funny nawaz and shabaz families are away to london.

 

[rockstar08]

Union of IK with qadri dont make sense if they are not agree on their demands or have different demands ..Government will tackle them differently


qadri has history of backing off..you forgot his last inqalab?

remember , but IK has many U-turn history too

 

[Rahi812]

Its not U-turn. Its coming back to senses. The resignation was an empty threat that would have destroyed his own party. Finally somebody got through to him and he came back to his senses. This is coming smart before you jump blindly in a ravine that will never end.
As for the Azadi march. Its yet to reach islamabad so how can it be a failure. Plz dont post rubbish and post from a amsart political sense. After he reaches islamabad will the faith of the azadi march come to terms.

I don't think Imran will leave his demands. The political career of Imran is at stake at this time.

 

[Viper0011.]

well for me the dharnas were for educating the public what their vote is worth and can do....which still the majority have no idea about the power their vote carries heck the power the people carry!

As for the same boot licking...well yea not until some bloody politics changes nothing is gonna change...this means the whole shitty system from basic policies to the department arrangement and management as well as those craps like the juridicial affiliation with politics needs to be broken off

So you are justifying in your first line that many who died due to these violent protests and many that got hurt and many Billions lost from an already close-to bankrupt country's economy.....happened all due to an EDUCATIONAL LESSON?

I honestly don't even have the right words to express my feelings. This isn't freaking PS-4 or Nintendo video game, the people who died and got hurt.....were real people....the economy that took a hit, was a real (and weak) economy, the projects that got stopped and the investors that freaked out, were real issues and the BAD REPUTATION as a violent, extreme country was a black mark on an already black forehead from other times.

Do you not have any shame for your country's image and its people? The fact that an amateur is holding a country hostage because of less than 10% of votes out of a 200 million population and caused so much loss in all aspects to Pakistan?

 

[Viper0011.]

But sources within the party say Imran may soften his demand and instead present a set of conditions that it expects the government to deliver as a course of action once he reaches the capital.

“We will present a set of conditions to them and if the government is sensible, they will deliver. If they meet nine out of 10 of these demands, we will accept it [instead of the resignation].

The development comes amidst news reports that suggest the military brokered an “unwritten” deal between the beleaguered government and hostile PTI.

If IK had any leadership material, ALL of this would've happened without the crazy long march, without loss of life, without losing billions as economic loss and without so much bad press across the globe refreshing people's mind that Pakistan's the most extremist country on the planet.

On the bold part above, does IK have ANY other options? The military will NEVER aid bringing the government down. They know the immediate and intense consequences that they'll have to face and not to mention the economy will be destroyed in no time heading to a full bankruptcy. When there is no money and business, good luck in paying your soldiers salaries and benefits and keeping the country together.

IK's march doesn't have10% of the people he's been bragging about, people are already leaving and many are super disapointed. This entire thing was done like a video game for fun. Sad thing is, innocents got hurt and some got killed and many billions were lost, the world amazed at the height of stupidity and on super unconstitutional behavior!

This stupid and failed march has shown IK's real face and strength to people. It'll hurt him in the long run as people now know how amateur, undemocratic and inexperienced he really is. This guy's disappointed me a lot. Frankly speaking he was the next PM in my books or close to it. But I've been nothing but disappointment after disappointment.

The VERY fact that he's made decisions that are dangerous for his own country and its people and which are getting exposed, will limit his political future a LOT.

As far as a "Deal" with the military is concerned, NS may not like it, but he'll have to give up on Musharraf. That's all the pressure the Military can put on. But even that's not bad. Now is a good time to focus back on the economy after the failed march. Get the second term done, transfer the power to the next government and LET the democratic cycle continue.

6 years from now, if someone did another long march for personal reasons, only their family and close friends will show up to support undemocratic behavior and the Military will be in no situation to be a part of the deals. The institutions would've gotten more independent and stronger in knowing their power and responsibilities. The cost is to let Musharraff go, suck it up and let your ego go. But then gain long term sustainability where by the next term, the sentence "military in power" would be found in the historical books from years ago.

 

[Dubious]

So you are justifying in your first line that many who died due to these violent protests and many that got hurt and many Billions lost from an already close-to bankrupt country's economy.....happened all due to an EDUCATIONAL LESSON?

Interesting how you concluded that....Who died when IK did speeches in different cities Pry do tell me!

Plz differentiate Qadri from IK first than talk.

I honestly don't even have the right words to express my feelings. This isn't freaking PS-4 or Nintendo video game, the people who died and got hurt.....were real people....the economy that took a hit, was a real (and weak) economy, the projects that got stopped and the investors that freaked out, were real issues and the BAD REPUTATION as a violent, extreme country was a black mark on an already black forehead from other times.

Same question can be asked HOW DARE SHARIFF brothers kill our brothers...Everyone has a right to their choice in govt or party ISNT THAT WHAT DEMOCRACY IS?

Do you not have any shame for your country's image and its people? The fact that an amateur is holding a country hostage because of less than 10% of votes out of a 200 million population and caused so much loss in all aspects to Pakistan?

How about what NS did Ordering for the people to die Do you think they died in the dharana or were they killed by people who got afraid of people with a tongue....I dont support Qadri nor do I support SS calling out the shots to shoot people!

Now may I ask DID SHARIFF BROS NOT FEEL AN OUNCE OF SHAME for calling the shooting of people?


I am only for IK for 1 reason he wants change and he wants to improve the system...Now if your brain sitting in USA cant work it doesnt justify your attitude! Being in USA when the hell has DEMOCRATIC USA ever called people to be shot...GULLU BUTT types to vandalize or that sunsilk guy with guns to TERRORIZE people based on their party choice ??

Now talk about shame here!

The people you are crying fake tears and calling shameful act didnt die coz they supported QADRI (I cant be bothered if he got shot) BUT COZ SOMEONE peed in his pants and asked them to be shot! Instead of going shame shame on the one who called the shots you are blaming freedom of choice?

 

[Waffen SS]

IK is currently doing a Banzai Charge like the Japanese Infantry in WW-II as a final symbolic act of courage.

It was not a genuine infantry tactic in military terms, but just one last suicidal charge that was not intended to uproot the enemy but to die in a glorious death.

 

[Viper0011.]

Interesting how you concluded that....Who died when IK did speeches in different cities Pry do tell me!
Plz differentiate Qadri from IK first than talk.
Same question can be asked HOW DARE SHARIFF brothers kill our brothers...Everyone has a right to their choice in govt or party ISNT THAT WHAT DEMOCRACY IS?
How about what NS did Ordering for the people to die Do you think they died in the dharana or were they killed by people who got afraid of people with a tongue....I dont support Qadri nor do I support SS calling out the shots to shoot people!
Now may I ask DID SHARIFF BROS NOT FEEL AN OUNCE OF SHAME for calling the shooting of people?
I am only for IK for 1 reason he wants change and he wants to improve the system...Now if your brain sitting in USA cant work it doesnt justify your attitude! Being in USA when the hell has DEMOCRATIC USA ever called people to be shot...GULLU BUTT types to vandalize or that sunsilk guy with guns to TERRORIZE people based on their party choice ??
Now talk about shame here!
The people you are crying fake tears and calling shameful act didnt die coz they supported QADRI (I cant be bothered if he got shot) BUT COZ SOMEONE peed in his pants and asked them to be shot! Instead of going shame shame on the one who called the shots you are blaming freedom of choice?

NONE of your comments above make sense, nor are they coherent to tell a story or compel others of any GOOD purpose that is behind this march but destruction of an entire system for ONE individual supported by 5% of the population. Read the above parts:
1) People got killed and people got hurt in by a movement of violence. IK and Qadri both are to be blamed. Anyone who got killed and hurt, their blood is on these two's heads. How do you differentiate two parties with the same devastating agenda to bring down a system through lies, propaganda and entirely unethical and undemocratic values?

2) If both of these idiots had demonstrated PEACEFUL marches in their speeches vs. threatening to topple the government, get their people to kill the ruling leadership, threatening Police to not interfere, you won't have any incident. You fu*ck with the system and you get to find out how strong the system is.

There was a big rally in Missouri a couple of days ago due to someone who got shot by the Police. They did a protest and it seemed like it'll turn violent. Guess what? There was TEAR GAS and EVERYTHING used to control the riots from becoming violent and to ensure PUBLIC SAFETY. And trust me, if someone in that protest tried to shoot a police officer or destroy buildings, law enforcement teams would use whatever measures they have to, to ensure public safety. And this is in the great USA which is a huge democratic system.
In Pakistan, you guys kill police officers and kidnap them and threaten them, while they are ONLY ensuring public safety. If you think someone didn't behave well, you go to the court for justice. Not get a gun out and start shooting, that's violence. But this is how IK and Mullah Greedy think.

Why did IK and Mullah Greedy made extreme and violent threats? The system will come into motion to try to protect people. Both of these guys WERE and ARE betting on body bags to cry Victim. This is how manly-man they are. And you are going to tell me why the system got into motion when Policemen were kidnapped and plaza's were destroyed and all??

3) Democracy DOES NOT mean everyone has a right inside the government. That is where your head STILL doesn't get it. Democracy is MAJORITY of the POPULATION rules. Minority winners (like IK and PPP) GO BACK PEACEFULLY and analyze why they lost. They play a productive opposition and support the system. The lost party/ies changes strategy and does more work for the PEOPLE to WIN their votes for the next elections. What in this process looks ANYTHING like what IK is doing? He's not done JACK from where he actually won the most from (KPK).

4) Where is the proof that NS or his senior leadership called for any killings? I'd like to see it and I am sure so will the readers here too. If the shootings were ACTUALLY ordered as you accuse, then they should be investigated by the court. You should file a case and provide legal support to your evidence.

Now if the judge turns it down and you go to the next court and that turns it down also, that MEANS you don't have strong enough evidence. But somehow, I believe it'll become another "all the judges, the media, the foreign everything, the angels, the truck drivers around that area and all the dogs and cats around the crime scene were paid to lie". It sounds a lie from a script like the rest of them you guys say all the time and its pathetic and ludicrous actually.

5) Freedom of choice? That was what the elections were about 15 months ago. And people DID choose very freely who they wanted to run the country. The international correspondence all said that.
The marches don't have 100% people behind them (heck not even 1% of the population is behind them), the freedom of choice that these failed marches represent are a violent gun-point games by a few thousand that are trying to "force" their "freedom of choice" onto 200 MILLION people strong democracy.
How the heck is that freedom of choice when you are actually involved in hijacking democracy through undemocratic, unconstitutional and unethical means???? If this was freedom of choice and revolution and if people REALLY gave a rats as* about this seriously, you'd have about 30 or 50 million people out on the streets, after which, if the current government wanted to stay in power, they'd be dragged out of their palaces and put in the jail by the PEOPLE.
But here, you have a few thousand thugs trying to enjoy vacation time by taking a trip to Islamabad and causing death, injuries, destruction and a loss of many billions, all in a pis* pour country that could use every million it has additional, to do something for its people.

 

[Dubious]

NONE of your comments above make sense, nor are they coherent to tell a story or compel others of any GOOD purpose that is behind this march but destruction of an entire system for ONE individual supported by 5% of the population. Read the above parts:

Of course not esp when you have made up your mind to bend in 1 direction other routes make no sense

1) People got killed and people got hurt in by a movement of violence. IK and Qadri both are to be blamed. Anyone who got killed and hurt, their blood is on these two's heads. How do you differentiate two parties with the same devastating agenda to bring down a system through lies, propaganda and entirely unethical and undemocratic values?

No Anyone who got killed or hurt was all due to Punjab govt going around shooting people! Nowhere in the constitution does it say you cant support your party or does it say that those who sitting down in stubborn manner (in support of their party) should be put to death...Address the wrong doings or should I say the pathetic management out of fear of a case....Democracy allows political disagreement it is not a dictatorship where you need to keep it shut and bow to rubbish! Nor it is a monarchy where you cant voice out...

2) If both of these idiots had demonstrated PEACEFUL marches in their speeches vs. threatening to topple the government, get their people to kill the ruling leadership, threatening Police to not interfere, you won't have any incident. You fu*ck with the system and you get to find out how strong the system is.

Yea Gullu Butt peace style? or maybe that guy with the silky hair who was going around shooting and then getting hugged by policemen

There was a big rally in Missouri a couple of days ago due to someone who got shot by the Police. They did a protest and it seemed like it'll turn violent. Guess what? There was TEAR GAS and EVERYTHING used to control the riots from becoming violent and to ensure PUBLIC SAFETY. And trust me, if someone in that protest tried to shoot a police officer or destroy buildings, law enforcement teams would use whatever measures they have to, to ensure public safety. And this is in the great USA which is a huge democratic system.
In Pakistan, you guys kill police officers and kidnap them and threaten them, while they are ONLY ensuring public safety. If you think someone didn't behave well, you go to the court for justice. Not get a gun out and start shooting, that's violence. But this is how IK and Mullah Greedy think.

Did Public safety include killing women?

Whose killing cops and kidnapping them?

Court? Really? How much justice have they served to women or the poor? Same courts which have been repeatedly found to be sold and incapable of delivering justice? Maybe NS can get some justice from such courts!


@orangzaib I think you are a little confused about what I am saying...I dont side Qadri 1 bit...I dont side the killing of them at Model Town...

But NS needs to understand DEMOCRACY doesnt mean when you pee in your pants you go wild releasing Gullu Butt kind of Jahil or go kill people!

 

[ejaz007]

I don't think Imran will leave his demands. The political career of Imran is at stake at this time.

His political career has already nose dived.

Just saw stupid leader interview where he was enjoying brunch in his house while his workers are struggling to feed themselves. He was also complaining about lack of sleep. Should have thought about the consequences before embarking on long march.