Imran Khan Indicted for Contempt of Court - Trial to start September 22nd

[Raj-Hindustani]

When institutions like the Army and its imposed coalition government violate the constitution and overthrow governments, suppress free speech, use law enforcement to arrest, torture and harass the opposition political leaders and supporters, force media groups to fire pro-PTI journalists and anchors and block their transmissions and prevent advertisers from advertising, then the ship of ‘not being bigger than the country’ sailed long ago,

What Imran Khan is doing is highlighting all this injustice and naming and shaming those who have sold out the country.

The people at fault here for ‘being bigger than the country’ are the Army leadership, PMLN & PPP politicians and the law enforcement and judges doing their bidding.

I beg to differ with you, Sir. Because there are many dots in the all episodes.

1. As Imran khan projecting that establishment only the soul master who bring the Sharif government...

Dots - does it mean that establishment only was who bring Imran khan into the power? If yes than it is totally injustice to other party and also, he does not have rights to open the front against the establishment now.

suppress free speech, use law enforcement to arrest, torture and harass the opposition political leaders

I remember if Imran khan was able to succeed and passed the law than there was no way to get the bail and you could put into the jail for the at least 6 months.

He does not have even rights to talk about freedom of speech.

supporters, force media groups to fire pro-PTI journalists and anchors and block their transmissions and prevent advertisers from advertising,

PTV was only presenting about the Imran khan and his good parts during his tenure. Even minister told that no space for opposition leaders..

Sorry, even I don't find he was doing and now having rights to talk about it.

What Imran Khan is doing is highlighting all this injustice and naming and shaming those who have sold out the country.

I remember about the court and comments about the few cases where opposition leaders put into the jail during the his tenure. J

How can now blame to those same people?

,...........

I don't support any such people who is popular at the particular time period but not justice with his popularity.

Example - there was not need to comment about replacement of Bajwa.. I take as negative against the army's

 

[ghazi52]

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[Ghazwa-e-Hind]

I beg to differ with you, Sir. Because there are many dots in the all episodes.

1. As Imran khan projecting that establishment only the soul master who bring the Sharif government...

Dots - does it mean that establishment only was who bring Imran khan into the power? If yes than it is totally injustice to other party and also, he does not have rights to open the front against the establishment now.

suppress free speech, use law enforcement to arrest, torture and harass the opposition political leaders

I remember if Imran khan was able to succeed and passed the law than there was no way to get the bail and you could put into the jail for the at least 6 months.

He does not have even rights to talk about freedom of speech.

supporters, force media groups to fire pro-PTI journalists and anchors and block their transmissions and prevent advertisers from advertising,

PTV was only presenting about the Imran khan and his good parts during his tenure. Even minister told that no space for opposition leaders..

Sorry, even I don't find he was doing and now having rights to talk about it.

What Imran Khan is doing is highlighting all this injustice and naming and shaming those who have sold out the country.

I remember about the court and comments about the few cases where opposition leaders put into the jail during the his tenure. J

How can now blame to those same people?

,...........

I don't support any such people who is popular at the particular time period but not justice with his popularity.

Example - there was not need to comment about replacement of Bajwa.. I take as negative against the army's

Indians speaking against Imran Khan. Explains everything

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I beg to differ with you, Sir. Because there are many dots in the all episodes.

1. As Imran khan projecting that establishment only the soul master who bring the Sharif government...

Dots - does it mean that establishment only was who bring Imran khan into the power? If yes than it is totally injustice to other party and also, he does not have rights to open the front against the establishment now.

Imran Khan did not conspire with the Army to topple the PMLN Government nor did he ask for support from the Army to win the 2018 elections. If anything, the view is that the Army rigged the elections to undermine Imran Khan and keep his incoming government weak. The fact that Imran Khan can win without Army support is now crystal clear given the results of the by elections conducted after the PTI government was overthrown this year under an Army backed conspiracy.

suppress free speech, use law enforcement to arrest, torture and harass the opposition political leaders

I remember if Imran khan was able to succeed and passed the law than there was no way to get the bail and you could put into the jail for the at least 6 months.

He does not have even rights to talk about freedom of speech.

When did the PTI government arrest and torture opposition political leadership over something frivolous like comments on the media? If you have followed this forum, you will have seen clips posted by members that show PMLN and PPP leaders making extremely disrespectful and antagonistic comments about the Army leadership and the Army. Even the PTM was not targeted (by the PTI) for making extremely incendiary speeches. Action against its leadership was taken by the Army or in Sindh (PPP government), as in the case of Ali Wazir.

supporters, force media groups to fire pro-PTI journalists and anchors and block their transmissions and prevent advertisers from advertising,

PTV was only presenting about the Imran khan and his good parts during his tenure. Even minister told that no space for opposition leaders..

Sorry, even I don't find he was doing and now having rights to talk about it.

We are not talking about PTV, which is obviously State Television that few people watch anymore, but the private media and TV channels. The PTI government did not force any media group to fire journalists or anchors that were critical of it. The journalists that were arrested were abducted by the Establishment. When Matiullah Jan was abducted, the PTI actually came out in his support and clearly stated they had no idea who had done it, unlike the current government which is openly condoning and supporting the crackdown on pro-PTI media groups and journalists

What Imran Khan is doing is highlighting all this injustice and naming and shaming those who have sold out the country.

I remember about the court and comments about the few cases where opposition leaders put into the jail during the his tenure. J

How can now blame to those same people?

,...........

I don't support any such people who is popular at the particular time period but not justice with his popularity.

Example - there was not need to comment about replacement of Bajwa.. I take as negative against the army's

Which cases are you talking about?

Take Rana Sanaullah for example - he was arrested by the Anti-Narcotics Force (led by a serving Army general) and all evidence and support for prosecution was provided by the ANF - so if you want to blame someone, blame the Army here.

For the rest, everything was handled through the National Accountability Bureau, and as the PTI leadership pointed out multiple times, the majority of the NAB cases weren't even initiated by the PTI, they were already being investigated before the PTI came to power.

So again, your comparison is completely wrong.

The Army and Army Chief are subservient to the elected government and they exist to serve the Citizens of Pakistan. EVERY citizen has a right to criticize the Army or the process of appointing the COAS.

I understand that, like many other Indians, you feel a need to support the anti-democratic forces of the Army leadership and PDM that are destroying Pakistan, but please keep your half-baked comparisons to yourself.

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Indians speaking against Imran Khan. Explains everything

They have made the corrupt and treasonous Army leadership and PDM coalition their new Bhagwan - support anything and everything that can potentially damage or destroy Pakistan.

 

[VCheng]

“"Ultimately the test is whether the offending context, viewed contextually, really was likely to damage the administration of justice"

The decision to remand Gill back to the same law enforcement institution that he had alleged tortured him physically and sexually had already been made. IK’s comments therefore cannot be seen as ‘damaging the administration of justice’ since the judicial decision he was criticizing had already been made.

Additionally, Khan clarified in the same speech that he was referring to legal action, which by definition would be action that the constitution allows, even if the courts throw out said ‘legal action’ as unsustainable, it is the right of a citizen to at least attempt using legal action as they deem necessary.

The US Supreme Court decision on Abortion (and those by many lower courts) was heavily criticized by the Left - politicians, media and the average individual. Talk of expanding the size of the SCOTUS and other means to neutralize the Republican majority on the SCOTUS. Calls were given for Lower court judges, who are elected, to be overthrown in subsequent elections and how important it is for democrats to appoint judges more aligned with their own philosophy. The Republicans do the same with decisions that they don’t agree with.

This is all speech that is protected.

You and I can agree with each other all we want, but it is whether the court with the jurisdiction agrees with IK's explanation or not is the important question. Pakistan is surely not USA as far as protecting freedom of speech, that is for sure.

Which he did, did he not?

Apparently, not the apology that would satisfy the court.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You and I can agree with each other all we want, but it is whether the court with the jurisdiction agrees with IK's explanation or not is the important question. Pakistan is surely not USA as far as protecting freedom of speech, that is for sure.

I think that is the gist of the criticism of the courts here - that they are not adhering to any consistent standard in terms of which political leader they choose to go after for 'contempt' and how their rulings don't really align with the ideals they claim to want to promote, or even with the basic language of the law under which they are claiming to charge the defendant.

Past courts have justified Military coups and military dictators after all, so while it is a statement of fact that a judge or judges will rule as they see fit, the conversation here is about how blatantly obvious judicial bias and overreach is in many cases involving the PTI.

 

[VCheng]

I think that is the gist of the criticism of the courts here - that they are not adhering to any consistent standard in terms of which political leader they choose to go after for 'contempt' and how their rulings don't really align with the ideals they claim to want to promote, or even with the basic language of the law under which they are claiming to charge the defendant.

Past courts have justified Military coups and military dictators after all, so while it is a statement of fact that a judge or judges will rule as the see fit, the conversation here is about how blatantly obvious judicial bias and overreach is in many cases involving the PTI.

I would agree with the above, with the observation that the courts have always worked in Pakistan is this arbitrary manner as you describe. This is nothing new, nor will it end here. Kangaroo courts in the finest banana republic traditions.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I would agree with the above, with the observation that the courts have always worked in Pakistan is this arbitrary manner as you describe. This is nothing new, nor will it end here. Kangaroo courts in the finest banana republic traditions.

Sadly true.

This is yet another example of an institution that has been hamstrung, weakened and prevented from evolving as a strong, competent and independent branch of government.

The rot goes all the way down to the lawyers from where judges are appointed - poor educational standards, poor definition and enforcement of ethical standards, politicization of bar associations and of course the regular culling of competent judges every time a military coup has occurred.

Forcing qualified and competent judges out because they refuse to sign off on unconstitutional actions by the Army or government removes what little talent that does come through this broken system. And then we had the retirement age lowered by the PMLN+PPP government, meant more as a means for competent and independent minded judges to not remain in the system for too long.

 

[VCheng]

Sadly true.

This is yet another example of an institution that has been hamstrung, weakened and prevented from evolving as a strong, competent and independent branch of government.

The rot goes all the way down to the lawyers from where judges are appointed - poor educational standards, poor definition and enforcement of ethical standards, politicization of bar associations and of course the regular culling of competent judges every time a military coup has occurred.

Forcing qualified and competent judges out because they refuse to sign off on unconstitutional actions by the Army or government removes what little talent that does come through this broken system. And then we had the retirement age lowered by the PMLN+PPP government, meant more as a means for competent and independent minded judges to not remain in the system for too long.

That is all true, but the really sad part is that all of what you say above is by intentional design. The Army has purposefully destroyed anything and everything that could serve as a check and balance on its absolute hold on power over decades and decades. It is the only institution left standing, and is therefore able to bend all others to the whims of its leaders. That is what we have now, and it is likely to remain so.

 

[Solidify]

Enemy of imran khan is only imran khan (himself)

He is making everything controversial even not leaving army, and justice systems.

He should be more careful because no one can be above and bigger than own country.

And you are Indian
Don't even get me started on Modi blunders to false facts to corruption ?!?

 

[IceCold]

They want to minus Imran Khan, not going to happen. Without IK there will be no politics. This is a ticking time bomb, waiting to explode. Only Khan has been keeping a lid on it.
In my personal opinion Khan should give the call. It's now or never specially when new conspiracies are being hatched to over throw Punjab government.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

Somebody can always run in place of Khan. It’s not the end of the world as long as party is not banned.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

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Indians speaking against Imran Khan. Explains everything

Does not make any difference for india if sharif, zardari Or Imran..... Power in the central.. They will all speak on kashmir once during the UN meeting... Nothing more.

No one make any difference if I talk about india.

Imran Khan did not conspire with the Army to topple the PMLN Government nor did he ask for support from the Army to win the 2018 elections. If anything, the view is that the Army rigged the elections to undermine Imran Khan and keep his incoming government weak. The fact that Imran Khan can win without Army support is now crystal clear given the results of the by elections conducted after the PTI government was overthrown this year under an Army backed conspiracy.

When did the PTI government arrest and torture opposition political leadership over something frivolous like comments on the media? If you have followed this forum, you will have seen clips posted by members that show PMLN and PPP leaders making extremely disrespectful and antagonistic comments about the Army leadership and the Army. Even the PTM was not targeted (by the PTI) for making extremely incendiary speeches. Action against its leadership was taken by the Army or in Sindh (PPP government), as in the case of Ali Wazir.

We are not talking about PTV, which is obviously State Television that few people watch anymore, but the private media and TV channels. The PTI government did not force any media group to fire journalists or anchors that were critical of it. The journalists that were arrested were abducted by the Establishment. When Matiullah Jan was abducted, the PTI actually came out in his support and clearly stated they had no idea who had done it, unlike the current government which is openly condoning and supporting the crackdown on pro-PTI media groups and journalists

Which cases are you talking about?

Take Rana Sanaullah for example - he was arrested by the Anti-Narcotics Force (led by a serving Army general) and all evidence and support for prosecution was provided by the ANF - so if you want to blame someone, blame the Army here.

For the rest, everything was handled through the National Accountability Bureau, and as the PTI leadership pointed out multiple times, the majority of the NAB cases weren't even initiated by the PTI, they were already being investigated before the PTI came to power.

So again, your comparison is completely wrong.

The Army and Army Chief are subservient to the elected government and they exist to serve the Citizens of Pakistan. EVERY citizen has a right to criticize the Army or the process of appointing the COAS.

I understand that, like many other Indians, you feel a need to support the anti-democratic forces of the Army leadership and PDM that are destroying Pakistan, but please keep your half-baked comparisons to yourself.


They have made the corrupt and treasonous Army leadership and PDM coalition their new Bhagwan - support anything and everything that can potentially damage or destroy Pakistan.

Thanks for your time and information.

I know that you people completely dislike sharif and zardari as person and leaders due to their corruptions....... It is fair enough.

Even if I was in Pakistan than might I would also do the same.

But personally I never support any leader or person if behaves balatar than everyone.

This is my observation being a third person. I know also, it is not my matter to discuss but just wanted to express my thoughts.. hope not breaking any rule..... Thanks

 

[SIPRA]

Indians speaking against Imran Khan. Explains everything

Currently, there is absolutely no difference between Mir Bajwa & Co. and Sanghis. The aim of both is to destruct Pakistan.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I know that you people completely dislike sharif and zardari as person and leaders due to their corruptions....... It is fair enough

If you have been a member of this forum prior to the PTI government being overthrown, you would know how nationalistic and pro-Army the overwhelming majority of the Pakistani forum members were (most are still very nationalistic, though no longer pro-Army).

Look at the sentiment and comments now - this isn't just about Sharif and Zardari, there has been a huge realization that Sharif's and Zardari's may just be the symptoms of a much deeper and broader malaise that is the Army leadership.

Somebody can always run in place of Khan. It’s not the end of the world as long as party is not banned.

It's the principle of the thing.

The Army leadership has been doing this for decades and they will keep rigging elections, manipulating and blackmailing politicians, judges and law enforcement to undermine any elected government or politician that threatens to undermine their unconstitutional influence and power.

The corrupt traitors in the Army leadership need to be stopped.