Imran Khan asking for foregiveness from Iftikhar Chaudhary

[Norwegian]

How can you say that they "asked for it"?

I have been debating with this programmed robot for many days. I can still not get his point. He keeps attacking IK and Qadri for absurd reasons like they "deserve" it, they "asked" for it, they "instigated" it. Seems he was born yesterday.

 

[WishLivePak]

A) Unless someone specifically registers a case in Pakistan, Pakistan isn't supposed to do anything about it.
B) I was not talking about PMLN pressing charges, I was talking about the "victims" of his "crimes" pressing charges. I did read your post properly and I disagree with it. PMLN only wants to "solve the problem" to save their own asses.

C) No, its not OK. Having a child outside marriage is hardly comparable to killing someone. I support Imran Khan because his thinking is different and his cause is just. He has done good for the country and is a lot "cleaner" than the other politicians.

There are hundreds of videos of police grabbing and beating unarmed innocent people. They did not "attack" the police, it was the police who started harassing people.

The FIR registration process was extremely messed up and even now PMLN tried to "delay" the FIR registration.
PAT lawyers attempt to file FIRs against PM, 21 others at ‘abandoned’ police station – The Express Tribune
Lahore police delay registration of Model Town FIR until ‘final talks’ are held with PAT | Pakistan Today

How can you say that they "asked for it"? Those people were innocent, those 14 people including women did not do anything to deserve death. Almost a hundred other people were injured and police fired blindly at civilians. No one asked for that.

If every politician is corrupt, I'd prefer someone less corrupt instead of someone as corrupt as Nawaz. I never said Imran Khan is a saint but I do believe that he is many times better than the rest.

A) The case cannot be resgitered as it'll result in a big backlash and many will come down to personal attacks. Second, we're talking about a member of parliament. If he is breaking constitution, Pakistan certainly needs to take a look at Imran's character.

B) PMLn to save their own asses? Then why all the unanimous resolution in parliament and senate, supporting Nawaz? Or all 10 parties wanting to save their asses as well?

C) Killing someone was just an example. Child outside marriage perhaps isn't a big thing, but for a member or parliament to do it and then talks about tabdili? Guy who has broken article 62 and 63 and sits in parliament, he's more saint than nawaz? And basically what you're saying, a person can break constitution but as long as he isn't a very bad criminal, he's perfect to run country. No wonder Pakistan is going through hell.


For your last statement, I agree shahbaz should step down on moral ground. I am not going to waste time arguing what the protestors did or not. At the end, we both would agree shahbaz should step down.

I have been debating with this programmed robot for many days. I can still not get his point. He keeps attacking IK and Qadri for absurd reasons like they "deserve" it, they "asked" for it, they "instigated" it. Seems he was born yesterday.

Absurd? Is imported inqalabi absurd not? Is Imran not violating constitution and article 62/63?

And yes, if protestors did not confront the police, no one would've been dead. It is not like police went inside people home to kill them because shahbaz said so.

 

[Marshmallow]

Iftikhar Chaudhry << the most hated person in Pakistan these days!

 

[TankMan]

A) The case cannot be resgitered as it'll result in a big backlash and many will come down to personal attacks. Second, we're talking about a member of parliament. If he is breaking constitution, Pakistan certainly needs to take a look at Imran's character.

B) PMLn to save their own asses? Then why all the unanimous resolution in parliament and senate, supporting Nawaz? Or all 10 parties wanting to save their asses as well?

C) Killing someone was just an example. Child outside marriage perhaps isn't a big thing, but for a member or parliament to do it and then talks about tabdili? Guy who has broken article 62 and 63 and sits in parliament, he's more saint than nawaz? And basically what you're saying, a person can break constitution but as long as he isn't a very bad criminal, he's perfect to run country. No wonder Pakistan is going through hell.


For your last statement, I agree shahbaz should step down on moral ground. I am not going to waste time arguing what the protestors did or not. At the end, we both would agree shahbaz should step down.

Almost all the other parties have some sort of share in the corruption.

I'm not saying he's "perfect" to run the country. I'm saying that until we get a better option, I'm either with him or with no one. He is inspiring many people and he deserves credit for the good things he has done.

I'm glad we could agree on something.

I pray that Allah helps Pakistan become a prosperous and stable nation.

 

[Norwegian]

The case cannot be resgitered as it'll result in a big backlash and many will come down to personal attacks. Second, we're talking about a member of parliament. If he is breaking constitution, Pakistan certainly needs to take a look at Imran's character.

Hahahaha. What has resignation of CM and PM indicted in Minhaj massacre by High Court anything to do with the moral character of IK? Are you nuts?

PMLn to save their own asses? Then why all the unanimous resolution in parliament and senate, supporting Nawaz? Or all 10 parties wanting to save their asses as well?

These are status quo parties. They want to save the corrupt elitist system so that they get reelected. You have any idea how "punctual" our so-called PM has been? Today was the THIRD time he entered parliament since elections last year. What a joke!

Killing someone was just an example. Child outside marriage perhaps isn't a big thing, but for a member or parliament to do it and then talks about tabdili? Guy who has broken article 62 and 63 and sits in parliament, he's more saint than nawaz? And basically what you're saying, a person can break constitution but as long as he isn't a very bad criminal, he's perfect to run country. No wonder Pakistan is going through hell.

Oh my g-d. You have serious issues if you cannot differentiate between a man who has kids outside marriage with someone who is well known and documented thug, goon, blackmailer, money launderer, defaulter, lier and g-d knows what else!

Article 62, 63 was never implemented by EC for a reason. If they did, we Pakistanis would have no candidates left to vote on. LOL.

 

[WishLivePak]

Almost all the other parties have some sort of share in the corruption.

I'm not saying he's "perfect" to run the country. I'm saying that until we get a better option, I'm either with him or with no one. He is inspiring many people and he deserves credit for the good things he has done.

I'm glad we could agree on something.

I pray that Allah helps Pakistan become a prosperous and stable nation.

Indeed he is better in some senses. But the approach is what chak bamu and jungibaaz and I among others disagree with. Civil disobedience is a big no no. And not letting go of the one minus formula is an ego problem.

Hahahaha. What has resignation of CM and PM indicted in Minhaj massacre by High Court anything to do with the moral character of IK? Are you nuts?

Moral character of Imran = Kids outside marriage

These are status quo parties. They want to save the corrupt elitist system so that they get reelected. You have any idea how "punctual" our so-called PM has been? Today was the THIRD time he entered parliament since elections last year. What a joke!

I'm not going to argue on that. Because for you, Norway is a lie, UK is a lie, US is a lie. Everyone involved in dhandli. Economist, guardian, al arabiya. All seem to support 300+ down to earth corrupt politcians in Pakistan.

Oh my g-d. You have serious issues if you cannot differentiate between a man who has kids outside marriage with someone who is well known and documented thug, goon, blackmailer, money launderer, defaulter, lier and g-d knows what else!

Kids outside marriage = can't be member of parliament. Simple.

Article 62, 63 was never implemented by EC for a reason. If they did, we Pakistanis would have no candidates left to vote on. LOL.

Don't speak unless you have a clue. Many were disqualified when submitting papers. Heck, there was news someone lost a seat because he's sadiq and amean, proven by his opponent. And many people had to recite 6 kalimas and whatnot.

So you're wrong again. Everytime wrong. Like that time I proved you wrong where small provinces make a difference and you were shut quiet.

 

[Norwegian]

Moral character of Imran = Kids outside marriage

LOL. Seriously? Its personal and family matter of IK if he has kids with marriage or outside. We don't know the whole story behind Sita White, so we cannot judge them. In western democracies, no one CARES how kids are born, only they are well fed and cared of all the way to adulthood. It seems Muslims always focus on wrong things. And then they whine when things go wrong.

Kids outside marriage = can't be member of parliament. Simple.

LOL. Really? But thugs, crooks, criminals, mafias, money launderers, defaulters, black mailers like Noora and Zardari are sadiq and ameen?

Don't speak unless you have a clue. Many were disqualified when submitting papers. Heck, there was news someone lost a seat because he's sadiq and amean, proven by his opponent. And many people had to recite 6 kalimas and whatnot.

Its a parody and comic relief when you have such absurd paragraphs in the constitution that ask you to recite something religious in order to be its member. Typical decorative "islam".

So you're wrong again. Everytime wrong. Like that time I proved you wrong where small provinces make a difference and you were shut quiet.

Who is taking it personal now?

 

[WishLivePak]

LOL. Seriously? Its personal and family matter of IK if he has kids with marriage or outside. We don't know the whole story behind Sita White, so we cannot judge them. In western democracies, no one CARES how kids are born, only they are well fed and cared of all the way to adulthood. It seems Muslims always focus on wrong things. And then they whine when things go wrong.


LOL. Really? But thugs, crooks, criminals, mafias, money launderers, defaulters, black mailers like Noora and Zardari are sadiq and ameen?


Its a parody and comic relief when you have such absurd paragraphs in the constitution that ask you to recite something religious in order to be its member. Typical decorative "islam".


Who is taking it personal now?

Nope, it's Pakistan matter that a parliament member is having kids outside marriage. Who cares about western democracies? It's about Pakistan here.

Sure Zardari and Nawaz are bad, but don't deny that Imran is bad as well.

Now you have problem with Pakistan constitution, after you were proven wrong? you fit my signature, changing subjects.

child talk is not similar to what you had said. It's far less of a personal attack.

 

[Norwegian]

Nope, it's Pakistan matter that a parliament member is having kids outside marriage. Who cares about western democracies? It's about Pakistan here.

He NEVER had kids outside marriage in Pakistan. Also that affair with Sita White happened in US long before he married with Jemima. He had no relationship with her during or after marriage.

Sure Zardari and Nawaz are bad, but don't deny that Imran is bad as well.

Bad because of his personal life or bad because he is corrupt financially, economically, principally, ideologically like Nooras?

Now you have problem with Pakistan constitution, after you were proven wrong? you fit my signature, changing subjects.

Of course I do. Everyone has. There is a reason why our constitution has been amended 18 times since 1973.

 

[WishLivePak]

He NEVER had kids outside marriage in Pakistan. Also that affair with Sita White happened in US long before he married with Jemima. He had no relationship with her during or after marriage.


Bad because of his personal life or bad because he is corrupt financially, economically, principally, ideologically like Nooras?


Of course I do. Everyone has. There is a reason why our constitution has been amended 18 times since 1973.

However you try to defend Imran, he has broken article 62/63. Simple as that. Nothing like "Oh but he had kids before he married jemmimah and oh it was in US and oh oh oh"


So you're against constitution, like the 180 million? You've a problem that there are amendments? Isn't it going to be amended after this "inqalab "

OK, let's see if you a troll or worthy of my time for any further time.

Answer: Is foreign (every single one) countries are against PTI, were involved in dhandli, are pro Nawaz or Noora paid?

 

[Norwegian]

However you try to defend Imran, he has broken article 62/63. Simple as that. Nothing like "Oh but he had kids before he married jemmimah and oh it was in US and oh oh oh"

LOL. I do not defend IK. It was EC that did. Other opponents of IK took this case of Sita White to dismiss him from contesting. However EC find him eligible despite his past relationship with Sita in America.
This year, son of former CJ of Pakistan Iftikhar Ch. son of Arslan Ch. created sensation by challenging EC to see IK submission papers. He got them and Jew News showed it all over the world. Nothing controversial was found there and the case was dropped as yet another Noora ploy to defame IK.

So you're against constitution, like the 180 million? You've a problem that there are amendments? Isn't it going to be amended after this "inqalab "

I am against a constitution that cannot be enforced or implemented in its fullest extent. Logic behind is that WHY make a law, if its not implementable in practice?

Is foreign (every single one) countries are against PTI, were involved in dhandli, are pro Nawaz or Noora paid?

I didn't understand this. Elaborate?

 

[WishLivePak]

I didn't understand this. Elaborate?

What is there to elaborate? The question was pretty clear.

Are foreign gov't against PTI or pro nawaz? Are foreign media against PTI or pro nawaz? If any, which are not, please name.

 

[Norwegian]

What is there to elaborate? The question was pretty clear.

Are foreign gov't against PTI or pro nawaz? Are foreign media against PTI or pro nawaz? If any, which are not, please name.

I have been following Pakistani politics since last elections and I cannot see any foreign meddling in rigging. I have yet to see any significant pro Noora or pro IK support by any country.

However it is widely documented that infamous NRO by Musharraf was US involvement to bring back earlier corrupt and crooked criminals of this country to the thrones of parliament:

WASHINGTON: The big official secret of the NRO deal, brokered by the United States between then President Pervez Musharraf and Benazir Bhutto, has been revealed in full detail by its sponsor, the former US Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, in her memoirs published here.



She admits everything and reveals all. In graphic detail, Condi has disclosed in her book, “No Higher Honor”, how she toiled for many sleepless nights to bring Musharraf and Benazir together in 2007.



It is for the first time that any American leader has admitted, and so bluntly, that Washington had played the key role to bring the two “moderates”, Musharraf and Benazir, together and a deal was arranged. There have been a number of reports and wide speculation about who brokered the deal but never was this confirmed at such an authentic level.
Rice reveals all about Benazir-Musharraf NRO deal Says Musharraf was imposing martial - thenews.com.pk

 

[WishLivePak]

I have been following Pakistani politics since last elections and I cannot see any foreign meddling in rigging. I have yet to see any significant pro Noora or pro IK support by any country.

However it is widely documented that infamous NRO by Musharraf was US involvement to bring back earlier corrupt and crooked criminals of this country to the thrones of parliament:

WASHINGTON: The big official secret of the NRO deal, brokered by the United States between then President Pervez Musharraf and Benazir Bhutto, has been revealed in full detail by its sponsor, the former US Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, in her memoirs published here.



She admits everything and reveals all. In graphic detail, Condi has disclosed in her book, “No Higher Honor”, how she toiled for many sleepless nights to bring Musharraf and Benazir together in 2007.



It is for the first time that any American leader has admitted, and so bluntly, that Washington had played the key role to bring the two “moderates”, Musharraf and Benazir, together and a deal was arranged. There have been a number of reports and wide speculation about who brokered the deal but never was this confirmed at such an authentic level.
Rice reveals all about Benazir-Musharraf NRO deal Says Musharraf was imposing martial - thenews.com.pk

CLASSIC. Bringing old news

Now, here, give it a read.

Pakistan's political path: Two steps back | The Economist
Lots to read there, but especially "He makes his case on claims of massive “electoral match-fixing”—which have not been supported by independent observers."

Some have called economist noora paid here. Let's see what you come up with.

 

[Marshmallow]

@Norwegian the guy you are arguing with is so ignore him!