Imran Khan Answers his Religious critics in this New interview.

[Dr. Strangelove]

@Norwegian have u met them have u talked to them ?
if not then do i have u will understand
do they believe in hatm-e-nabuat ?
dont mistake lahore group with every qadiani group

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Qadianis believe in Allah too.

this wasnt for u

Really? All it says it that anyone saying Shahadah is a Muslim. Qadianis say Shahadah so they are Muslim, per Quran.

u seem ignorant of religious matters
have u studied islam in detail?
have u read their text?

Don't Shias, Deobandis, Barelvis and other sects of Islam etc have their own books?

these are sects within islam they dont believe in false prophets/messiah tell me if they do

 

[Fracker]

You want Maulana Diesel to lead this Islamic nation instead? Then why not declare Pakistan a theocracy like Iran? Rule of the Mullahs. Then all Muslims are happy, right?
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Read before Quoting, i am point a conflicting person, who dont pray, cant pray properly, dont have knowledge, but just to satisfy his ego uses Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) to convince other, somedays back he said, Islam reqiures three things and one of them is To finish VIP Culture (did care to listen other three since it was too much for me)..

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Save them? Are you insane? Read this Ordinance XX from 1984 and then let me know if this legislation in parliament was meant to save Qadianis or attack them even more:
Ordinance XX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

thats why i called for legislation to protect them only legislative assemblies can annul this law
when did i said kill them

Muslims may consider Qadiyanis non-Muslim, still they have no right to punish them for calling themselves Muslim or pray in their prayer houses which they call Mosques. Secular democracy does not allow discrimination of religion or discrimination of sects within a religion.

agreed

 

[Green Arrow]

Muslims or non Muslims, Pakistan is for all of them. We have already seen lot of religious intolerance and injustice toward our minorities. I am in favour of making the amendment in our constitution. This will send a positive signals to our non Muslims people.

 

[ajpirzada]

If IK is for justice, first thing he has gotta do is to remove anti-Qadiani bigotry from constitution of Pakistan. It was PPP and later Zia's Islamization policies that destroyed secular irreligious nature of our once prosperous state of the 60's. IK often quotes 60's as the best times of our history in his speeches. If so, then he has got to repeal those acts of constitution that are unjustified in constitution of Pakistan.

its not as easy. we must realise IK has managed to create a very delicate alliance between people with contradictory ideologies. If there are people like you who are pro 'secular irreligious nature' then there also people like me who are pro 'non-secular religious nature.' Yet despite our ideological contradictions, we stand united under the banner of PTI (you support PTI, if im not wrong). Having said this, I know that me demanding too much of 'shariah' based governance will put our unity in jeopardy. Same goes for you. Your insistence on throwing islam out of everything will breed similar consequences. If anyone of us (ideological groups) try to drag this movement too much towards our ideological orientations, we will rip everything apart and descend back to the not so useful debates from which IK has somehow managed to pull us out (atleast for now).

In IK i see someone who can make us grow out of these debates. But I fear we may end up fighting over IK's ideological orientation itself after his passing away if he ever becomes a great leader which we badly need. We have already seen this happening to Jinnah with everyone dragging him to their own side without knowing that it is only leading to growing fissures. If PTI is ever to outlive IK's lifetime, we must recognise that its a delicate stitch which is holding us all united under this banner.

i hope i havent said something too complicated/confusing.

 

[jha]

Ahmadis and Shias were most vocal and active for creation of Pakisan while Darul UloomDeoband's stance is also well known.

In current Pakistan and for foreseeable furture, Deobandis are gonna remain in driving seat. Ahmadis and Shias of Pakistan should get used to it and stop complaining so much. They should have known what they were creating.

 

[Slav Defence]

There was NO discrimination in Jinnah's first cabinet. Here is a list of some non-Muslims hand picked by Jinnah to administer Pakistan:
Jogendra Nath Mandal Minister for Labour and Law (Hindu)
Muhammad Zafrullah Khan was inducted as Minister for Foreign Affairs and Commonwealth relations (Qadiani)
Sir Frederick Bourne was the Governor of East Bengal, Sir Francis Mudie the Governor of West Punjab and Sir George Cunningham the Governor of N.W.F.P. (Christian and British)
And here is a quote on this cabinet's performance:
James A. Michener, a visitor to Pakistan in the early years, wrote, “I have never seen so hardworking a government as Pakistan’s. It is literally licking itself by its own intellectual book-straps”.
First Cabinet (1947) | History PakHistory Pak

Now compare first cabinet of Pakistan composed of many non-Muslims with the kind of extreme Muslim cabinets that came after Islamic supremacist Objectives Resolution was passed under Liaquat Ali Khan's administration (after death of Jinnah) and its response by a non-Muslim minister of the opposition:

In my conception of state where people of different religion live there is no place for religion in the state. Its position must be neutral: no bias for any religion. If necessary, it should help all the religions equally. No question of concession or tolerance to any religion. It smacks of inferiority complex. The state must respect all religions: no smiling face for one and askance look to the other. The state religion is a dangerous principle. Previous instances are sufficient to warn us not to repeat the blunder. We know people were burnt alive in the name of religion. Therefore, my conception is that the sovereignty must rest with the people and not with anybody else....[T]he words "equal rights as enunciated by Islam" are—I do not use any other word—a camouflage. It is only a hoax to us, the non-Muslims. There cannot be equal rights as enunciated by Islam. It goes without saying that by introducing the religious question, the differences between the majority and the minority are being perpetuated, for how long, nobody knows. And, as apprehended by us, the difficulty of interpretation has already arisen. The accepted principle is that the majority, by their fair treatment, must create confidence in the minority. Whereas the Honorable mover of the resolution promises respect, in place of charity or sufferance for the minority community the deputy minister, Dr. Qureshi, advises the minority to win the goodwill of the majority by their behavior. In the House of the Legislature also we find that, while the prime minister keeps perfectly to his dictum, others cannot brook that the opposition should function in the spirit of opposition. The demand is that the opposition should remain submissive. That is Dr. Qureshi’s way of thinking. The minorities must be grateful for all the benevolence they get and must never complain for the malevolence that may also be dealt out to them. That is his solution of the minority problem.
Objectives Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So now we know that state sponsored discrimination of Pakistani non-Muslims or minorities started with Objectives Resolution in 1949. It only got worse after Khatm-e-Nabuwwat psychos got in the picture and forced Bhutto to sign into constitution anti-Qadiani bigotry laws of Blasphemy that under Zia's regime forced them to not even call themselves 'Muslim'. Such state monopoly of religion deciding who should call himself Muslim or not is the main reason why Pakistan became a jungle of systematic unjust as we know it today. It started with the discrimination of minorities, specifically Hindus and Qadianis and later eclipsed Christians, Shias and other minorities of Pakistan leaving only Sunnis intact. Good job Pakistan - land of the pure Sunnis!


Yes, act like your prophet. Slaughter all Ahmedis, Qadianis, Shias and others who do not agree with your Wahhabi-Sunni worldview. LOL!

If Qadianis (Ahmadiyya) believe they have a new religion and call the Muslims Kafir, should we call them Muslim?

Please do read the following Qadiani (Ahmadiyya) writings and decide for yourself.

Collection of Posters, Vol. 3, P. 275; Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)

• "Question: Huzoor-e-aali (Respected Mirza Ghulam) has mentioned in thousands of places that it is not at all right to call Kafir a Kalima-go(someone who recites the Kalima) and an Ahle-Qibla. It is quite obvious that except thoseMomineen who become Kafir by calling you (Mirza Ghulam) a Kafir, no one becomes a Kafir by merely not accepting you. However, you have now written to Abdul Hakeem Khan that anyone who has received my message and has not accepted me is no longer a Muslim. There is contradiction between this statement and your statements in previous books. Earlier in Tiriaq-ul-Quloob etc you had mentioned that no one becomes Kafir by not accepting you; now you are writing that by rejecting me he becomes a Kafir?!
  
  Answer: This is strange that you consider the person who rejects me and the person who calls me Kafir as two different persons, whereas in the eyes of God he is the same type; because he who does not accept me is because he considers me a fabricator..."
  (Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 167, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)

• "All those Muslims who do not enter the fold of the Promised Messiah, whether or not they have heard of Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) are considered Kafirs and are beyond the pale of Islam."
  (Aeena-e-Sadaqat, P. 9/35, By Bashir-uddin Mahmud)

• "God has revealed it to me that the person who did not believe in me after having heard about me is not a Muslim."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Jan 15, 1935 - Al-Hukum, 4:24, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)

• "It has been revealed to me that the person who did not follow me and did not enter into my fold, is disobedient and as such, should be thrown into Hell."
  (Miyar-ul-Akhyar, Vol. 9, P. 27, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)

• "He (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) has regarded him as an infidel who knows him to be truthful and does not belie him in speech but has not yet entered the fold."
  (Tashi-ul-Azhan, 6:4, Apr. 1911, Miyan Mahmood Qadiani -
  Aqaid-e-Ahmadia, P. 108)

• "A man once asked the first caliph of the Messiah (Hakim Nuruddin Sahib) whether it was possible to attain salvation without having faith in mirza Sahib? He replied: 'If the Word of God is based on truth, it is not possible to attain salvation without having faith in Mirza Sahib."
  (Aa'ina-e-Sadaqat, P. 25, Miyan Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)

• "In Lucknow, I (Mir Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani) met a man who was a great scholar. He said: 'Those are your enemies who make the propaganda that you condemn people as infidels. I can not believe that such broad minded people as you are can indulge in such things.' The man was making this remark to Sheikh Yaqub Ali Qadiani. I asked him to tell the man that we really believe them as infidels. The man was astonished to hear this."
  (Anwar-e-Khilafat, Miyan Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)

• "It seems that the Promised Messiah had also suspected that the word 'Muslim' which he used also for non-Ahmadis might be wrongly understood. So, he has made it clear in his writings occasionally that the work 'Muslim' which he used for also non-Ahmadis meant 'those who claimed to be Muslims.' hence, wherever he has used that term for non-Ahmadis, he means by it those who claim to be Muslims, for he could not have recognized those who denied him as Muslims under divine instructions."
  (Kalimatul Fasl, Vol. 14, No. 3, P. 126, Sahibaza Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)

• "Chaudhari Sahib (Sir Zafarullah Khan Qadiani) stressed the point that we Ahmadis are Muslims and it is wrong to regard us as infidels. As for the question whether the non-Ahmadis are infidels, the Ahmadis hold that they are infidels. They said so in the subordinate court and the Chaudhari Sahib has supported this statement in the High Court."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 10, No. 21, Sep. 14, 1922)

• "O you who are called Muslims! If you really desire Islam's victory and invite the rest of the world to join you, then first come yourselves to the true Islam (Qadianism) which is available throught the Promised Messiah (Mirza of Qadian). It is under his auspices that today the roads to goodness and righteousness are open. By following him alone, man can reach the desired goal of success and salvation. He is the same pride of the former and the latter mankind (Muhammad), who had come 13 centuries ago from now as 'Rahmatul Alemeen' (The Mercy to the Worlds)."
  (Al-Fadl, September 26, 1915; Qadiani Religion, P. 211-212/264, 9th Edition, Lahore)

• "To declare those who denied the Holy Prophet(SAW) in his first advent as Kafirs and outside the fold of Islam but to regard the deniers of his second advent (Mirza Ghulam) as Muslim is an insult to the Prophetand a joke against the signs of Allah, since the Promised Messiah has, in the Khutba-e-Ilhamia, compared the mutual relation between the first and the second advents of the Holy Prophet to the relations between the crescent and the full moon."
  (Al-Fadl, Vol. 3, No. 10, July 15, 1915; Qadiani Religion, P. 262)

• "The point is now quite clear. If it is Kofr to deny the Merciful Prophet, it must also be Kofr to deny the Promised Messiah, because the Promised Messiah is in no way a separate being from the Merciful Prophet; rather he is the same (Muhammad). If anyone is not considered a Kafir for denying the promised Messiah, then anyone else who denies the Merciful Prophet should not also be considered a Kafir. How is it possible that denying him in his first advent should be considered Kofr, but denying him in his second advent should not be regarded as Kofr, even thought, as claimed by the Promised Messiah, his spiritual attainment is stronger, more complete, and more severe."
  (Kalimatul Fasl, P. 146-147; Review of Religions, March-April 1915)

• "Any person who believes in Moses but does not believe in Christ, or believes in Christ but does not believe in Muhammad or believes in Muhammadbut does not believe in the Promised Messiah, is not only a Kafir, but he is a confirmed (Pakka) Kafir, and out of the fold of Islam."
  (Kalimatul Fasl, P. 110, By Mirza Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)

• "It is incumbent upon us that we should not regard non-Ahmadis as Muslims, nor should we offer prayers behind them, because according to our belief they deny one of the messengers of Allah. This is a matter of faith. None has any discretion in this."
  (Anwar-e-Khilafat, P. 90, by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)

Marriage with non-Qadiani Declared Haram:

• "He who gives his daughter in marriage to any non-Qadiani is a non-Ahmadi, even though he may call himself Ahmadi... It is also forbidden for our followers to participate in such marriage gathering."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 23, 1931)
• "There is no harm if you marry a non-Ahmadi girl because it is allowed to marry women of the people of the Book... But an Ahmadi girl should not be given to a non-Ahmadi. There is no harm in accepting their girl but it is a sin to give them a girl."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Dec. 16, 1920)
• "It is permitted to marry the daughters of Christians, Hindu, and Sikhs, (but to give them daughters is not allowed)."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Feb. 18, 1930)
• "By giving up Ahmadiat I mean to do something which may amount to unbelieving; giving a daughter to any non-Ahmadi also falls in that category."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 4, 1922)
• "The fifth tenet that is binding upon my sect in this erase is that you should not give your daughters to non-Ahmadis. He who gives his daughter to a non-Ahmadi does not know what Ahmadiat is. Do you find non-Ahmadis giving their daughters to Hindus or Christians? Non-Ahmadis are, according to our faith Kafir, but they are better than you in this respect. In spite of being Kafirs themselves, they do not give their daughters to Kafirs but you, in spite of being Ahmadi, give your daughters to non-believers."
  (Malaika-tullah, P. 46; by Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmud)
• "The promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) has definitely prohibited Ahmadis to give their daughters in marriage to non-Ahmadis (Muslims). Let us be careful in the future. Ahmadis should follow this verdict."
  (Barakat-e-Khilafat, P. 75, Miyan Mahmood Qadiani;
  Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 20, No. 97, Feb. 14, 1933)
• "He who gives his daughter in marriage to a non-Ahmadi youth is not an Ahmadi in my opinion. None can give his daughter in marriage to a person whom he regards as a non-Muslim. The Qadi (Judge) who solemnizes such marriage should be regarded as a person who has conducted the marriage of a Muslim girl with a Christian or Hindu."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadiani, Vol. 8, No. 88, May 23, 1921)
• "There is no harm in marrying a non-Ahmadi girl because it is permissible to marry women belonging to the people of the Book as it might result in her enlightenment. But we should not give our girls to non-Ahmadis though we can take their girls. It means that there is no harm in talking in non-Ahmadi girls."
  (Al-Hukum, Qadian, Vol. 8, No. 45, Dec. 16, 1920)

Praying Behind Muslims declared Haram:

• "It is my considered religion: it is not permitted that you should offer prayer led by a non-Qadiani in any place whatsoever, whosoever he may be and however respected among the people he may be. This is an order from Allah and this is what Allah expects of you. Those who doubt this are considered deniers. Allah desires that a distinction be made between you and them."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Aug. 28, 1917)
• "God has revealed to me that it is forbidden - strictly forbidden - that you should say prayers led by one who believes me to be a liar or is wavering in his allegiance to me. Instead it enjoined upon you that you should follow an Imam from amongst you."
  (Arbaeen, Vol. 3, P. 28; "Tuhfa-e-Golarwiah", P. 27, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
• "No Qadiani is allowed to say prayers which are led by a non-Qadiani. People have asked this question again and again - is it permissible to pray behind them? I would say, whenever I am asked, it is not allowed for any Qadiani to pray behind a non-Qadiani. It is forbidden - not permitted - prohibited."
  (Anwar-e-Khilafat, P. 93)

Funeral Prayer for Muslims declared Haram:

• "If one asks 'Is it permitted for us that funeral prayers be said for the children of Muslims', I would say: No - just as it is forbidden to pray for Hindu and Sikh children as the religion must follow his parents."
  (Anwar-e-Khilafat, Page 93)
• 'To the question "What must be done to a Muslim who dies in a place where Qadianism is unknown? Should formal prayers be said?" I would say: "We do not know his full particulars but it would appear from his deed that he died in a state in which he was ignorant of Rasul of ALlah and His Nabi. Therefore, no prayers should be said for him. Nor would we say funeral prayers for a Qadiani who has followed a non-Qadiani in prayer or one who mixes with them by this action, he has left the pale of Qadianism."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 6, 1915, Bashir-ul-Din Mahmood Qadiani)
• "Fadl Ahmad, the eldest son of promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) from his first wife, died, but he (Mirza Ghulam) did not say funeral prayers over his son as he (Fadl Ahmad) did not believe in his prophethood or in his prophecies, although he was obedient to his father in matters concerning day to day life."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Dec. 15, 1931 - Jul. 7 1943, Page 3)
• "Hazrat Mirza Ghulam did not attend the funeral service of his son (late Mr. Fazl Ahmad) only because he was a non-Ahmadi (Muslim)."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 9, No. 47, Nov. 15, 1921)
• "Our prayer has been channeled and we are not allowed to marry our daughters to them. To say funeral prayers for them is also prohibited. What else remains that we share with them?Relations are of two kinds: religious and worldly. The former comprises prayers and the latter relates to marriage. Thus, following non-believers in prayer is forbidden and it is also forbidden that you make them your sons-in-law. Should you then ask: 'then why do we greet them?' Then I would say that even the Prophet(pbuh) used to greet the Jews. In short, our Imam (Mirza Ghulam) has declared has declared us a distinct sect in every respect. There is no ceremony which occupies an important position in Islam in which we have not been separated from others."
  (Kalimatul-Fasl, Vol. 14, P. 169, Mirza Bashi Ahmed Qadiani)
• "If a non-Ahmadi dies is it permissible to say" 'May Allah pardon him and grant him admission in the Heaven?
  Answer: The infidelity of the non-Admadis (Muslims) is a proven fact and it is not permissible to pray for their salvation."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 8, No. 59, Feb. 1921)
• "It is an established rule that:
  1. The denial of even one of the prophets os enough to send a person out of the circle of Islam.
  2. It is not permissible to pray for Salvation for a person who is out of the circle of Islam.
  And as the Ahmadis believe that:
  1. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib was as much a prophet as was Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa(pbuh) in the nature of prophethood.
  2. So it is not permissible to pray for the salvation of a person who goes out of the circle of Islam by his denial of Mirza Sahib."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 9, No. 30, Oct. 17, 1921)
  
  
• "Chirag Din is a student of the Taleem-ul-Islam High School, Quadian. Recently, when he returned to his native place, Sialkot, his mother died. She had loved her son dearly, but since she was not an Ahmadi, Chirag Din did not attend her funeral prayers. He thus clung to his faith and principle. Well-done; Proud son of Taleem-ul-Islam. The movement (Quadianism) needs worthy sons like you. Well done."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 2, No. 129, Apr. 20, 1915)
• "I believe that those who follow the lead of non-Ahmadis (Muslims) in prayers, it is not permissible to hold their funeral service. Similarly, those who have given their daughters in marriage to non-Quadianis and died without repenting, it is not permissible to hold their funeral service."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 13, No. 102, Apr. 13, 1926)

Is it then not a sign of the hypocrisy of Qadiani leadership and missionaries to claim to have ever wanted to be part of the Muslim nation? Yet, even after all this, the door of mercy of God is open to those who sincerely repent, give up false and man-made teachings of Mirza's family, and embrace Islam.

May Allah(SWT) guide every sincere individuals to the right path of Islam and away from the false teachings and claims of the Qadiani leadership.
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@Horus you asked a question earlier remember? Here is your answer posted above.
Pakistan is so unlucky. A religious cult TTP claims themselves Muslims and us kafirs and try to impose their laws upon us while on the other hand another cult ahmadiya plays victim card and call us kafir. In such mess if we attempt to assign them into categories then we are labelled by so called liberals that we are unfair. A small country with so much patience and challenge
Our arms and doors are open for qadiyans,trust me.
Regards

 

[Imran Khan]

EID namaz to aati nhi imran ko hahahaha

 

[FaujHistorian]

EID namaz to aati nhi imran ko hahahaha

utrun after uturn.

What's new in Imran fancy land.

Ahmadis and Shias were most vocal and active for creation of Pakisan while Darul UloomDeoband's stance is also well known.

In current Pakistan and for foreseeable furture, Deobandis are gonna remain in driving seat. Ahmadis and Shias of Pakistan should get used to it and stop complaining so much. They should have known what they were creating.

Jha Sahib

you have done to history what Taliban do to their enemies.

--------- Beheading!

 

[jha]

utrun after uturn.

What's new in Imran fancy land.




Jha Sahib

you have done to history what Taliban do to their enemies.

--------- Beheading!

Yeah.. in a way.. I know what I said is gross and brutal generalization but you should hear how Ahmadis here about their own people's contribution in Pakistan's creation.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Yeah.. in a way.. I know what I said is gross and brutal generalization but you should hear how Ahmadis here about their own people's contribution in Pakistan's creation.

It will be sad, if I am so ignorant that one of my fellow Ahmadi colleague or friend or neighbor has to tell me about "who dunnit" in 1940s.


However I respectfully ask you and others to focus on current trends and reasons.

Some Ashmdis played an active role in 1940 politics and they were rewarded handsomely in 40s and 50s. Their sons and daughters are highly placed in Pakistani society even today.

However situation is pretty bad if you are a poor guy at the bottom of socioeconomic mountain.

Then the society and the Mullahs and their cousin is after you.

And these are the "untouchables" we must protect. And sadly we are doing horrible job in doing so.

Eid Mubarak.

 

[patriotpakistan]

If Qadianis (Ahmadiyya) believe they have a new religion and call the Muslims Kafir, should we call them Muslim?

Please do read the following Qadiani (Ahmadiyya) writings and decide for yourself.

Collection of Posters, Vol. 3, P. 275; Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)

• "Question: Huzoor-e-aali (Respected Mirza Ghulam) has mentioned in thousands of places that it is not at all right to call Kafir a Kalima-go(someone who recites the Kalima) and an Ahle-Qibla. It is quite obvious that except thoseMomineen who become Kafir by calling you (Mirza Ghulam) a Kafir, no one becomes a Kafir by merely not accepting you. However, you have now written to Abdul Hakeem Khan that anyone who has received my message and has not accepted me is no longer a Muslim. There is contradiction between this statement and your statements in previous books. Earlier in Tiriaq-ul-Quloob etc you had mentioned that no one becomes Kafir by not accepting you; now you are writing that by rejecting me he becomes a Kafir?!
  
  Answer: This is strange that you consider the person who rejects me and the person who calls me Kafir as two different persons, whereas in the eyes of God he is the same type; because he who does not accept me is because he considers me a fabricator..."
  (Haqiqat-ul-Wahi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P. 167, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)

• "All those Muslims who do not enter the fold of the Promised Messiah, whether or not they have heard of Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) are considered Kafirs and are beyond the pale of Islam."
  (Aeena-e-Sadaqat, P. 9/35, By Bashir-uddin Mahmud)

• "God has revealed it to me that the person who did not believe in me after having heard about me is not a Muslim."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Jan 15, 1935 - Al-Hukum, 4:24, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)

• "It has been revealed to me that the person who did not follow me and did not enter into my fold, is disobedient and as such, should be thrown into Hell."
  (Miyar-ul-Akhyar, Vol. 9, P. 27, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)

• "He (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) has regarded him as an infidel who knows him to be truthful and does not belie him in speech but has not yet entered the fold."
  (Tashi-ul-Azhan, 6:4, Apr. 1911, Miyan Mahmood Qadiani -
  Aqaid-e-Ahmadia, P. 108)

• "A man once asked the first caliph of the Messiah (Hakim Nuruddin Sahib) whether it was possible to attain salvation without having faith in mirza Sahib? He replied: 'If the Word of God is based on truth, it is not possible to attain salvation without having faith in Mirza Sahib."
  (Aa'ina-e-Sadaqat, P. 25, Miyan Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)

• "In Lucknow, I (Mir Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani) met a man who was a great scholar. He said: 'Those are your enemies who make the propaganda that you condemn people as infidels. I can not believe that such broad minded people as you are can indulge in such things.' The man was making this remark to Sheikh Yaqub Ali Qadiani. I asked him to tell the man that we really believe them as infidels. The man was astonished to hear this."
  (Anwar-e-Khilafat, Miyan Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)

• "It seems that the Promised Messiah had also suspected that the word 'Muslim' which he used also for non-Ahmadis might be wrongly understood. So, he has made it clear in his writings occasionally that the work 'Muslim' which he used for also non-Ahmadis meant 'those who claimed to be Muslims.' hence, wherever he has used that term for non-Ahmadis, he means by it those who claim to be Muslims, for he could not have recognized those who denied him as Muslims under divine instructions."
  (Kalimatul Fasl, Vol. 14, No. 3, P. 126, Sahibaza Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)

• "Chaudhari Sahib (Sir Zafarullah Khan Qadiani) stressed the point that we Ahmadis are Muslims and it is wrong to regard us as infidels. As for the question whether the non-Ahmadis are infidels, the Ahmadis hold that they are infidels. They said so in the subordinate court and the Chaudhari Sahib has supported this statement in the High Court."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 10, No. 21, Sep. 14, 1922)

• "O you who are called Muslims! If you really desire Islam's victory and invite the rest of the world to join you, then first come yourselves to the true Islam (Qadianism) which is available throught the Promised Messiah (Mirza of Qadian). It is under his auspices that today the roads to goodness and righteousness are open. By following him alone, man can reach the desired goal of success and salvation. He is the same pride of the former and the latter mankind (Muhammad), who had come 13 centuries ago from now as 'Rahmatul Alemeen' (The Mercy to the Worlds)."
  (Al-Fadl, September 26, 1915; Qadiani Religion, P. 211-212/264, 9th Edition, Lahore)

• "To declare those who denied the Holy Prophet(SAW) in his first advent as Kafirs and outside the fold of Islam but to regard the deniers of his second advent (Mirza Ghulam) as Muslim is an insult to the Prophetand a joke against the signs of Allah, since the Promised Messiah has, in the Khutba-e-Ilhamia, compared the mutual relation between the first and the second advents of the Holy Prophet to the relations between the crescent and the full moon."
  (Al-Fadl, Vol. 3, No. 10, July 15, 1915; Qadiani Religion, P. 262)

• "The point is now quite clear. If it is Kofr to deny the Merciful Prophet, it must also be Kofr to deny the Promised Messiah, because the Promised Messiah is in no way a separate being from the Merciful Prophet; rather he is the same (Muhammad). If anyone is not considered a Kafir for denying the promised Messiah, then anyone else who denies the Merciful Prophet should not also be considered a Kafir. How is it possible that denying him in his first advent should be considered Kofr, but denying him in his second advent should not be regarded as Kofr, even thought, as claimed by the Promised Messiah, his spiritual attainment is stronger, more complete, and more severe."
  (Kalimatul Fasl, P. 146-147; Review of Religions, March-April 1915)

• "Any person who believes in Moses but does not believe in Christ, or believes in Christ but does not believe in Muhammad or believes in Muhammadbut does not believe in the Promised Messiah, is not only a Kafir, but he is a confirmed (Pakka) Kafir, and out of the fold of Islam."
  (Kalimatul Fasl, P. 110, By Mirza Bashir Ahmad Qadiani)

• "It is incumbent upon us that we should not regard non-Ahmadis as Muslims, nor should we offer prayers behind them, because according to our belief they deny one of the messengers of Allah. This is a matter of faith. None has any discretion in this."
  (Anwar-e-Khilafat, P. 90, by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)

Marriage with non-Qadiani Declared Haram:

• "He who gives his daughter in marriage to any non-Qadiani is a non-Ahmadi, even though he may call himself Ahmadi... It is also forbidden for our followers to participate in such marriage gathering."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 23, 1931)
• "There is no harm if you marry a non-Ahmadi girl because it is allowed to marry women of the people of the Book... But an Ahmadi girl should not be given to a non-Ahmadi. There is no harm in accepting their girl but it is a sin to give them a girl."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Dec. 16, 1920)
• "It is permitted to marry the daughters of Christians, Hindu, and Sikhs, (but to give them daughters is not allowed)."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Feb. 18, 1930)
• "By giving up Ahmadiat I mean to do something which may amount to unbelieving; giving a daughter to any non-Ahmadi also falls in that category."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 4, 1922)
• "The fifth tenet that is binding upon my sect in this erase is that you should not give your daughters to non-Ahmadis. He who gives his daughter to a non-Ahmadi does not know what Ahmadiat is. Do you find non-Ahmadis giving their daughters to Hindus or Christians? Non-Ahmadis are, according to our faith Kafir, but they are better than you in this respect. In spite of being Kafirs themselves, they do not give their daughters to Kafirs but you, in spite of being Ahmadi, give your daughters to non-believers."
  (Malaika-tullah, P. 46; by Mirza Bashir-ud-Din Mahmud)
• "The promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) has definitely prohibited Ahmadis to give their daughters in marriage to non-Ahmadis (Muslims). Let us be careful in the future. Ahmadis should follow this verdict."
  (Barakat-e-Khilafat, P. 75, Miyan Mahmood Qadiani;
  Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 20, No. 97, Feb. 14, 1933)
• "He who gives his daughter in marriage to a non-Ahmadi youth is not an Ahmadi in my opinion. None can give his daughter in marriage to a person whom he regards as a non-Muslim. The Qadi (Judge) who solemnizes such marriage should be regarded as a person who has conducted the marriage of a Muslim girl with a Christian or Hindu."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadiani, Vol. 8, No. 88, May 23, 1921)
• "There is no harm in marrying a non-Ahmadi girl because it is permissible to marry women belonging to the people of the Book as it might result in her enlightenment. But we should not give our girls to non-Ahmadis though we can take their girls. It means that there is no harm in talking in non-Ahmadi girls."
  (Al-Hukum, Qadian, Vol. 8, No. 45, Dec. 16, 1920)

Praying Behind Muslims declared Haram:

• "It is my considered religion: it is not permitted that you should offer prayer led by a non-Qadiani in any place whatsoever, whosoever he may be and however respected among the people he may be. This is an order from Allah and this is what Allah expects of you. Those who doubt this are considered deniers. Allah desires that a distinction be made between you and them."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Aug. 28, 1917)
• "God has revealed to me that it is forbidden - strictly forbidden - that you should say prayers led by one who believes me to be a liar or is wavering in his allegiance to me. Instead it enjoined upon you that you should follow an Imam from amongst you."
  (Arbaeen, Vol. 3, P. 28; "Tuhfa-e-Golarwiah", P. 27, Mirza Ghulam Qadiani)
• "No Qadiani is allowed to say prayers which are led by a non-Qadiani. People have asked this question again and again - is it permissible to pray behind them? I would say, whenever I am asked, it is not allowed for any Qadiani to pray behind a non-Qadiani. It is forbidden - not permitted - prohibited."
  (Anwar-e-Khilafat, P. 93)

Funeral Prayer for Muslims declared Haram:

• "If one asks 'Is it permitted for us that funeral prayers be said for the children of Muslims', I would say: No - just as it is forbidden to pray for Hindu and Sikh children as the religion must follow his parents."
  (Anwar-e-Khilafat, Page 93)
• 'To the question "What must be done to a Muslim who dies in a place where Qadianism is unknown? Should formal prayers be said?" I would say: "We do not know his full particulars but it would appear from his deed that he died in a state in which he was ignorant of Rasul of ALlah and His Nabi. Therefore, no prayers should be said for him. Nor would we say funeral prayers for a Qadiani who has followed a non-Qadiani in prayer or one who mixes with them by this action, he has left the pale of Qadianism."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, May 6, 1915, Bashir-ul-Din Mahmood Qadiani)
• "Fadl Ahmad, the eldest son of promised Messiah (Mirza Ghulam Qadiani) from his first wife, died, but he (Mirza Ghulam) did not say funeral prayers over his son as he (Fadl Ahmad) did not believe in his prophethood or in his prophecies, although he was obedient to his father in matters concerning day to day life."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Dec. 15, 1931 - Jul. 7 1943, Page 3)
• "Hazrat Mirza Ghulam did not attend the funeral service of his son (late Mr. Fazl Ahmad) only because he was a non-Ahmadi (Muslim)."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 9, No. 47, Nov. 15, 1921)
• "Our prayer has been channeled and we are not allowed to marry our daughters to them. To say funeral prayers for them is also prohibited. What else remains that we share with them?Relations are of two kinds: religious and worldly. The former comprises prayers and the latter relates to marriage. Thus, following non-believers in prayer is forbidden and it is also forbidden that you make them your sons-in-law. Should you then ask: 'then why do we greet them?' Then I would say that even the Prophet(pbuh) used to greet the Jews. In short, our Imam (Mirza Ghulam) has declared has declared us a distinct sect in every respect. There is no ceremony which occupies an important position in Islam in which we have not been separated from others."
  (Kalimatul-Fasl, Vol. 14, P. 169, Mirza Bashi Ahmed Qadiani)
• "If a non-Ahmadi dies is it permissible to say" 'May Allah pardon him and grant him admission in the Heaven?
  Answer: The infidelity of the non-Admadis (Muslims) is a proven fact and it is not permissible to pray for their salvation."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 8, No. 59, Feb. 1921)
• "It is an established rule that:
  1. The denial of even one of the prophets os enough to send a person out of the circle of Islam.
  2. It is not permissible to pray for Salvation for a person who is out of the circle of Islam.
  And as the Ahmadis believe that:
  1. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Sahib was as much a prophet as was Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa(pbuh) in the nature of prophethood.
  2. So it is not permissible to pray for the salvation of a person who goes out of the circle of Islam by his denial of Mirza Sahib."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 9, No. 30, Oct. 17, 1921)
  
  
• "Chirag Din is a student of the Taleem-ul-Islam High School, Quadian. Recently, when he returned to his native place, Sialkot, his mother died. She had loved her son dearly, but since she was not an Ahmadi, Chirag Din did not attend her funeral prayers. He thus clung to his faith and principle. Well-done; Proud son of Taleem-ul-Islam. The movement (Quadianism) needs worthy sons like you. Well done."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 2, No. 129, Apr. 20, 1915)
• "I believe that those who follow the lead of non-Ahmadis (Muslims) in prayers, it is not permissible to hold their funeral service. Similarly, those who have given their daughters in marriage to non-Quadianis and died without repenting, it is not permissible to hold their funeral service."
  (Al-Fazl, Qadian, Vol. 13, No. 102, Apr. 13, 1926)

Is it then not a sign of the hypocrisy of Qadiani leadership and missionaries to claim to have ever wanted to be part of the Muslim nation? Yet, even after all this, the door of mercy of God is open to those who sincerely repent, give up false and man-made teachings of Mirza's family, and embrace Islam.

May Allah(SWT) guide every sincere individuals to the right path of Islam and away from the false teachings and claims of the Qadiani leadership.
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@Horus you asked a question earlier remember? Here is your answer posted above.
Pakistan is so unlucky. A religious cult TTP claims themselves Muslims and us kafirs and try to impose their laws upon us while on the other hand another cult ahmadiya plays victim card and call us kafir. In such mess if we attempt to assign them into categories then we are instructed by so called liberals that we are unfair. A small country with so much patience and challenge
Our arms and doors are open for qadiyans,trust me.
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You sir have won the argument with this mountain of undeniable evidence. I would give you a positive rating if I could.

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My friend,
It is not about loosing or winning.It is not a matter of ego.I am too old for winning and loosing.However,I do care that how truth is hindered and facts are manipulated. We have to do a lot to protect our generations and have to face various challenges together. However,for this we must unite and try all our level best to encounter various claims made by people.I just want to see prosperous and secure Pakistan and everyone is welcome to join hands with us-regardless of ethnicity and religious difference
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Dangerous questions. Dangerous answers. I don't think he really wanted to answer.