Important to build an environment of trust, Modi says in letter to PM Imran

[Vortex]

Status Quo for 10 years with zero tolerence to violence...after 10 years, open borders for both sides of kashmir, they can trade freely, ...after 20 years, give them limited freedom with no control over foreign affairs and defense...after 30 years, open india-pak borders...one currency...free trade...include Bangladesh as well...and we have erstwhile b ritish India with our own independent values and policies...

Cough cough...

 

[Kaniska]

They could discuss about how funtastic was the tea !

Joke aside.

Yep both side had forces who don’t have interest in peace.

Kashmiris people should have the right to do the referendum. Of course without the indians who settled in Kashmir. Because they don’t have the right to participate in the referendum.

Human mind always tries to expand influence...so does India too...It is a mistake and stupid idea of looser Congress party who thought to merge a state within our dominion and then thinking of allowing self determination to happen...On paper talking about UN resolution and self determination is good on paper but in reality...Indian public will not accept it..

If you observe the trend of Indo Pak relation and indian posters response to Kashmir issue and Pakistan relation, you will observe one interesting contrasting opinion here....Amount of Indian people liking many aspect of Pakistan is more them any Indian people showing any leniency towards Kashmir valley stone pelters... So India at any point of time will not accept change in physical boundary of J&K...Now there can be endless discussion with every party in dispute with assumption of a precondition as listed above...

I understand your intent is good to brought up this topic...But India is not desperate to solve Kashmir problem...We are fine economically and nationwide to crush Kashmir militancy and loosing good number of our military men in return too..
So this game will be played for a long time where both would try to checkmate each other militarily, diplomatically and financially too..

Status Quo for 10 years with zero tolerence to violence...after 10 years, open borders for both sides of kashmir, they can trade freely, ...after 20 years, give them limited freedom with no control over foreign affairs and defense...after 30 years, open india-pak borders...one currency...free trade...include Bangladesh as well...and we have erstwhile b ritish India with our own independent values and policies...

Why should we treat Kashmir people so special that we will have open our borders for the sake of solving Kashmir people’s utopian dream of being independent...

If you would have proposed this idea for the sake of rest of people of India and Pakistan, then i would have agreed...But it is a sheer arrogance of Kashmir valley they are different than other Indian states, makes me angry about them??? Beinh an Indian does not make me less Odiya person nor being a Pakistan makes a person from Lahore less Punjabi to his identity...So why so much of arrogant fuss by these valley people...
If NE indian state are christian majority states and can be part of mainstream then Kashmiri can also be Indian if their their anti Hindu mindset...

To the children commenting here..WHOLE of politics is a tamasha and maintaining face!!

Tell me how often Trump embarrasses America through politics and how often the British home office in UK embarrasses UK?

There is no "right way" to do things...Everything is trial an error...And for now we need this peace as we need investors and the only narrative they need to hear is peace even if it is a facade!

Good to hear that you admit the real reason for which IK is playing to the gallery where he should be seen as peace loving person...Well it is good for Pakistan...But there is nothing at stake for India to accept his initiave as we know, the outcome will be same as it is happening earlier

 

[Dubious]

Good to hear that you admit the real reason for which IK is playing to the gallery where he should be seen as peace loving person...Well it is good for Pakistan...But there is nothing at stake for India to accept his initiave as we know, the outcome will be same as it is happening earlier

Where did I say that?

Well good to know india is still like some shakki aurat that someone left at the altar!

 

[Vortex]

Human mind always tries to expand influence...so does India too...It is a mistake and stupid idea of looser Congress party who thought to merge a state within our dominion and then thinking of allowing self determination to happen...On paper talking about UN resolution and self determination is good on paper but in reality...Indian public will not accept it..

If you observe the trend of Indo Pak relation and indian posters response to Kashmir issue and Pakistan relation, you will observe one interesting contrasting opinion here....Amount of Indian people liking many aspect of Pakistan is more them any Indian people showing any leniency towards Kashmir valley stone pelters... So India at any point of time will not accept change in physical boundary of J&K...Now there can be endless discussion with every party in dispute with assumption of a precondition as listed above...

I understand your intent is good to brought up this topic...But India is not desperate to solve Kashmir problem...We are fine economically and nationwide to crush Kashmir militancy and loosing good number of our military men in return too..
So this game will be played for a long time where both would try to checkmate each other militarily, diplomatically and financially too..



Why should we treat Kashmir people so special that we will have open our borders for the sake of solving Kashmir people’s utopian dream of being independent...

If you would have proposed this idea for the sake of rest of people of India and Pakistan, then i would have agreed...But it is a sheer arrogance of Kashmir valley they are different than other Indian states, makes me angry about them??? Beinh an Indian does not make me less Odiya person nor being a Pakistan makes a person from Lahore less Punjabi to his identity...So why so much of arrogant fuss by these valley people...
If NE indian state are christian majority states and can be part of mainstream then Kashmiri can also be Indian if their their anti Hindu mindset...



Good to hear that you admit the real reason for which IK is playing to the gallery where he should be seen as peace loving person...Well it is good for Pakistan...But there is nothing at stake for India to accept his initiave as we know, the outcome will be same as it is happening earlier

I agree with what you wrote.

World is such a b!tch that in Sudan when they were fighting each other, world powers push for create an independent state. But when muslims are victims then... all people who fight for their rights are called terrorists.

 

[Kaniska]

I agree with what you wrote.

World is such a b!tch that in Sudan when they were fighting each other, world powers push for create an independent state. But when muslims are victims then... all people who fight for their rights are called terrorists.

Well..even if i agree that it is not terrorism..still then the sheer arrogance of Kashmir valley makes us to why they think they are special??
Even i am equally with Congress that why the heck they even try to get Kashmir to India...We could have simply kept Jammu and left rest to Pakistan...but Congress has a legacy of messing up in many places...Now if you want to merge a state, them merge it completely than being treated in a special way....If i have to treat Kashmir in special way with 370 then i prefer to hand over it to Pakistan so that in my life time, i can see India Pakistam cricket series happening bilaterally....Due to these stupid Kashmir issue, even i can not see great players from Pakistan cricket coming and playing in India too...

 

[masterchief_mirza]

What I expect, I have already expressed, though indirectly, in my post. I have seen this "Tamaasha" many times in my life time. But, as I said, it is alright for the sake of facade.

You are bang on the money. We all know such love letters will achieve zilch. Excellent tactic to keep Modi on the back foot though.

 

[Vortex]

Well..even if i agree that it is not terrorism..still then the sheer arrogance of Kashmir valley makes us to why they think they are special??
Even i am equally with Congress that why the heck they even try to get Kashmir to India...We could have simply kept Jammu and left rest to Pakistan...but Congress has a legacy of messing up in many places...Now if you want to merge a state, them merge it completely than being treated in a special way....If i have to treat Kashmir in special way with 370 then i prefer to hand over it to Pakistan so that in my life time, i can see India Pakistam cricket series happening bilaterally....Due to these stupid Kashmir issue, even i can not see great players from Pakistan cricket coming and playing in India too...

What were the rules for the partition which occurred in 47 ?

 

[xyxmt]

They do elect him for conflict resolution though .
Anhways people like you very rightly say that what has not happened in 70 years thqt could happen now..?
But what else can we do, fight forever . They have contained it to their tiny part kashmir but in Pakistan their proxy terrorism is spread and hindering our growth and everything . Atleast taking about terrorism and making them stop or even slow proxy terrorism would be great thing .

you are on the back foot then why they talk to you, it will increase as you go more on the back foot. More you show the willingness to talk more they will think you are scared...just watch
The only way forward is to inflict more pain to them and then you can bring them to table, this is war and in war only loosing team as for talks winning team will never talk.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

you are on the back foot then why they talk to you, it will increase as you go more on the back foot. More you show the willingness to talk more they will think you are scared...just watch
The only way forward is to inflict more pain to them and then you can bring them to table, this is war and in war only loosing team as for talks winning team will never talk.

You live in Canada maybe that why you don't know much about the condition back home. Both regions are suffering.
I also think same like you.
But this has to end somewhere.
It us that suffers from Indian proxy terrowim through Afghanistan or India funding anti Pakistan activities.
While we are doing nothing and we can do nothing while in fatf and slammed by the world. This is the condition when we don't do anything.
All we need is good environment in Pakistan so every foreign direct investment can come and we become a developed country in 30 to 50 years.
And think about other things later.

you are on the back foot then why they talk to you, it will increase as you go more on the back foot. More you show the willingness to talk more they will think you are scared...just watch
The only way forward is to inflict more pain to them and then you can bring them to table, this is war and in war only loosing team as for talks winning team will never talk.

Again I agree, war is an option and perhaps the only option among some people but both of our nations cannot afford it now .

 

[xyxmt]

You live in Canada maybe that why you don't know much about the condition back home. Both regions are suffering.
I also think same like you.
But this has to end somewhere.
It us that suffers from Indian proxy terrowim through Afghanistan or India funding anti Pakistan activities.
While we are doing nothing and we can do nothing while in fatf and slammed by the world. This is the condition when we don't do anything.
All we need is good environment in Pakistan so every foreign direct investment can come and we become a developed country in 30 to 50 years.
And think about other things later.

First thing is to identify the problem and then and only then you can start to look for solutions, if Dr. identifies stomach pain as heart attack then his medicine will not cure you. The problems Pakistan is in is not caused by India, yes India is helping but India alone does not have the stomach nor the capability to do what is happening in Pakistan. Pakistan's problem is

1. "not towing" the US line and more going towards China, CPEC is not as big an India's issue as it is a US issue and it is US who is causing terrorism in Pakistan thru India's help from Afghanistan. Modi even if he wants to does not have power to stop terrorism in Pakistan.

2. U.S does not want for Pakistan/India have normal relationship for obvious reasons and if there is a possibility toward that then soon something will happen in India which we will call as a false flag by India which maybe a false flag but not by India.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

First thing is to identify the problem and then and only then you can start to look for solutions, if Dr. identifies stomach pain as heart attack then his medicine will not cure you. The problems Pakistan is in is not caused by India, yes India is helping but India alone does not have the stomach nor the capability to do what is happening in Pakistan. Pakistan's problem is

1. "not towing" the US line and more going towards China, CPEC is not as big an India's issue as it is a US issue and it is US who is causing terrorism in Pakistan thru India's help from Afghanistan. Modi even if he wants to does not have power to stop terrorism in Pakistan.

2. U.S does not want for Pakistan/Pakistan have normal relationship for obvious reasons.

You put it so well.
Though how much Pakistan say it is neutral, America is in no mood to listen anything and I would go as far to that they are in a hurry to drop relations with Pakistan etc .
They are so much determined in their idea that Pakistan is no friend but an enemy .
And Indian prefect lobbing as far as us is concerned have hit hard and ingrained the idea coupled with some Pakistan citizen funded by India to further float the narrative of evil Pakistan.
But again you gave to play by rules.
Stay quite, normalise your country .
India streategy is to make Pakistan neighbour fight it, deatablize it through proxies and isolate it. They didn't hide it.
Though we have controlled terrorism but 5th generation war is dangerous.
Talking is not bad . What can you expect from Modi but may south Asian leaders understand. The lure of peace in South is there.

 

[imadul]

Already too embarrassing. Even the optics have become sand grains in eyes.
Pakistan should remain shut up for a while for a change.
Torture and killing increasing every day, whole election campaigns of Modi was derived from Anti Pakistan and Anti Muslim promises.
Be quiet GOP, Be Quiet IK, just focus on governance and economy.

 

[El Sidd]

Hafiz Saeid was arrested this morning to build an environment of trust between Modi regime and GoP.

 

[Adonis]

What I expect, I have already expressed, though indirectly, in my post. I have seen this "Tamaasha" many times in my life time. But, as I said, it is alright for the sake of facade.

I would say good start.....it is important to built trust.

Didn't get Tamaasha word in your post but I assume you mean occurrence in past or talks in the past ...whatever...see to a point there is a history of betrayal of whenever two sides came together to talk..

Attack on their parliament, Mumbai terror attack, Kargil, etc etc.....We should rein in Jihadis now and create environment of trust and start talking....together these two countries can do wonders....


Otherwise...we keep on going the same way.... Peace and cooperation is more in our interest than Indians...

Lets face it ... no matter what we do , we can't establish peace with india , its just not possible and with modi as PM , its extra impossible

Was that possible when Modi was not there?

Did our dear 'Assets' let it happen in the past by episodes like Indian parliament attack, Mumbai , Uri, etc....their PM came to Lahore for talks and our soldiers (Northern Light Infantry) occupied their land at the same time......it is mindset and ego problem of our establishment viz a viz relations with India....which needs to change

 

[Imran Khan]

Wah boss d k