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Implication of Lawlessness in Courts of Pakistan and Long Term Impact

Why they didnt go to court and got any stay order on the voting based on this letter?
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Why court removed previous PMs since they have protection and not answerable to any court.
Because of boot and hammer mafia working together against the executive branch of Pakistan
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Why court removed previous PMs since they have protection and not answerable to any court. Why PTI didn't raise this issue that time when NS was disqualified? But instead there were celebrations.

248Protection to President, Governor, Minister, etc.
(1)The President, a Governor, the Prime Minister, a Federal Minister, a Minister of State, the Chief Minister and a Provincial Minister shall not he answerable to any court for the exercise of powers and performance of functions of their respective offices or for any act done or purported to be done in the exercise of those powers and performance of those functions:
(2)No criminal proceedings whatsoever shall be instituted or continued against the President or a Governor in any court during his term of office.
(3)No process for the arrest or imprisonment of the President or a Governor shall issue from any court during his term of office.
(4)No civil proceedings in which relief is claimed against the President or a Governor shall be instituted during his term of office in respect of anything done by or not done by him in his personal capacity whether before or after he enters upon his office unless, at least sixty days before the proceedings are instituted, notice in writing has been delivered to him, or sent to him in the manner prescribed by law, stating the nature of the proceedings, the cause of action, the name, description and place of residence of the party by whom the proceedings are to be instituted and the relief which the party claims.

What was unlawful or unconstitutional when parliament was dissolved?
 
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Because of boot and hammer mafia working together against the executive branch of Pakistan View attachment 839536
Why no investigation on letter by PTI? Poora mahina jhag mar rahay thy? They kept National Security Issue as a surprise and waited for jalsa.

Apni nalaiqi courts p dal rahay hain. Sore losers. PTI should hire good lawyers. Courts don't decide on public sentiments. Qanoon andha hota hai.

What was unlawful or unconstitutional when parliament was dissolved?
Speaker ruling jo usko likh bhi kisi aur ny di thi. Parchi wali ruling :rofl: Babar Awan ny likhi thi.

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why was the letter which is the main subject of pti gov, not even looked upon in the SC when they decided on ruiling of speaker? and also can court interfere in parliamentary proceedings?
They were advised on its contents and materiality, the entire bench was briefed by a "neutral party" in charge of such national security measures. The letter should be leaked, let's see how material it actually is, I doubt it.
 
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Why no investigation on letter by PTI? Poora mahina jhag mar rahay thy? They kept National Security Issue as a surprise and waited for jalsa.

Apni nalaiqi courts p dal rahay hain. Sore losers. PTI should hire good lawyers. Courts don't decide on public sentiments. Qanoon andha hota hai.


Speaker ruling jo usko likh bhi kisi aur ny di thi. Parchi wali ruling :rofl: Babar Awan ny likhi thi.

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Whose duty was it? lumber 1 agency? or your bajwa? who said not to public the matter to PM we are investigating.

speaker cannot strike down a motion that was initiated on foreign interference confirmed by NSC? but SC did not even bothered to look into it.

They were advised on its contents and materiality, the entire bench was briefed by a "neutral party" in charge of such national security measures. The letter should be leaked, let's see how material it actually is, I doubt it.

The "neutral party" will turn out to be main culprit if letter comes become public. Why do you think IHC was opened at midnight or why did it stopped IK from making the letter public.
 
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Whose duty was it? lumber 1 agency? or your bajwa? who said not to public the matter to PM we are investigating.

speaker cannot strike down a motion that was initiated on foreign interference confirmed by NSC? but SC did not even bothered to look into it.



The "neutral party" will turn out to be main culprit if letter comes become public. Why do you think IHC was opened at midnight or why did it stopped IK from making the letter public.
PTI lost the majority because PTI allies left them . What is court or army fault here? They didnt added no vote confidence clause in constitution. PTI agar seedhi tarah voting kara deti, no one would get involved. PTI came into power with the help of establishment. Us waqt sab kuch jaiz tha?

PTI left ground without playing and declaring them winner. Phir is tarah ki harkatoun p tou yehi hota hai.

Pakistan is forever, Army is forever. Judiciary is forever. PTI and political parties are not forever.
 
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PTI lost the majority because PTI allies left them . What is court or army fault here? They didnt added no vote confidence clause in constitution. PTI agar seedhi tarah voting kara deti, no one would get involved. PTI came into power with the help of establishment. Us waqt sab kuch jaiz tha?

PTI left ground without playing and declaring them winner. Phir is tarah ki harkatoun p tou yehi hota hai.

Pakistan is forever, Army is forever. Judiciary is forever. PTI and political parties are not forever.

If IK came with power of estb, than why not first court martial COAS?

PTI lost majority so they dissolved the parliament, and called the election. But no, establishment wants to prove something. They involved courts at midnight if some unconstitutional has happened, if that has happened according to you, why don't you apply article 6 on all those involved including IK?

Par izat to raas hai nai, ab gali gali zalil hona hai Bajwa ko or iske chamchon ko, why is there no ispr tweets after april 9? Puchna tha ke ab loadshedding or dollar rate per kab press conference karenge apke DGISPR sahab?
 
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What was unlawful or unconstitutional when parliament was dissolved?​
You can read about it in the SC's short order here. But to give you a better picture, here's what I can see - and the read of that of most legal folks and not just amateurs like you and I:

PTI leaders had in the run up to this made a few attempts to misapply the constitution, prior to this they were also arguing for preventing an NVC by pre-emptively disqualifying candidates or not counting their votes afterwards, neither of which is prescribed.

As per the last reference to the Supreme Court, the SC's opinion said that the NVC must go on as per the Speaker's Constitutional mandate, no later than 3rd April. He violated this mandate and the explicit advice of the SC Opinion to respect this and conduct the vote by frivolously and incorrectly applying Art. 5 to dissolve the assembly.

Opposition lawyers, Pakistan Bar Council and the SC Bar all made solid arguments against this, the court also felt that Art. 5 was applied without any pending case against members or the house. The repeated delay tactics and this last attempt to stop the vote is why the SC explicitly ordered voting to commence no later than the 9th of April, and must be the first item on the agenda. Compounding this, a PM who's subject to an NVC cannot ask the President to dissolve assemblies, which IK did and it was clearly premeditated.

Due to the nature of the actions of the Deputy Speaker, are called in legal terms a "nullity", meaning anything happening afterwards is void. It's why in the short order, SC keeps using the term "In consequence of the foregoing, [...]", before commenting on what is explicitly voided.

What's funny is, immediately on the day this happened I said on the forum that "it's not over yet", and that SC will likely take this case up themselves because of how much of a gross and egregious violation of the constitution the Deputy Speaker's actions were. People here were busy celebrating and cackling at us contrarians while fawning over the genius of IK. Sure enough it wasn't genius, and the court took notice. Meanwhile, some were making the incorrect argument that the courts can't interfere with the NA due to Art. 69 procedural independence. Not realising that:​
A) Article 69 is qualified by Article 67, and therefore subject to the rest of the constitution.​
B) The Court can intervene, the last time the court directly did rule a Speaker's actions as "justiciable", were in the last parliament, when Imran Khan himself submitted a reference when he was pushing for NS to be disqualified.​

Furthermore, although I don't think the court commented on this because they take an apolitical stance and cannot comment on intent, but the whole affair was clearly based on mala fide intent, it was premeditated to prevent the vote, the Speaker/Deputy cannot issue a legal verdict on the legality of a motion in the NA, that's not within his power at all.

Small disclaimer at the end, I am not a legal export, not trained or educated in law. I just followed the hearings closely and repeat what I heard from legal experts and the court itself. Frankly, for this case, you DO NOT need to be legally qualified to know the answer. It was bloody obvious that the court had to take notice and that the inevitable verdict would be thus - it was an open and shut case.​
 
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Constitutional cases are fast tracked in every country.

PTI FM, PTI PM, PTI Dy Speaker declaring opposition is involved in conspiracy without any proper investigation to stop the voting on no confidention motion in which they were clearly in losing position. Apni harkatien nahi dekhi PTI ny.

Courts were opened in middle of night because PTI was in no mood to conduct vote on no vote confidence. They wasted whole day with speeches. In the end when danda came speakers ran away. lol Why they ran away? Afraid to get arrested?
Agree. This whole issue of why did the SC move so fast is moronic whining. When you so frivolously and massively violate the constitution, with mala fide intent, and then build upon it by making subsequent nullifiable actions to protect yourself from a vote that the SC previously opined must take place no later than the day... the SC had no choice but to intervene and no choice but to be on standby in case the wannabe fascist Immy tried to pull any other stunt.

Frankly, this whole thing kicked off on April 3rd. SC could have met and formed a bench that same day, ruled on it in EXACTLY the same way on the same day. Because it was that blatant of a violation, and because the way forward was singular and obvious. Only IK sycophants thought the move was legit or had any legal grounding, they were busy celebrating early.
 
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They did Patwari. The petition was returned by the registrar supreme court on the grounds that court cannot interfere in Parliamentary proceedings šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£View attachment 839534
Pizza Republic of Sharifistan


Because of boot and hammer mafia working together against the executive branch of Pakistan View attachment 839536
Very well articulated article 69 clearly states the Judiciary cannot interfere into parliamentary proceedings, also cannot overrule deputy speakers order.

SC has overstepped its domain thus its order is illegal. Its SC which has violated the constitution.
 
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@Jungibaaz

Brother you seem to have quite a bit of understanding of constitutional and legal matters.

Kindly advise which part of the constitution allows a foreign national and an absconder to attend state-level meetings where important national security-related matters and state secrets might be discussed?

Will SC take this case up themselves because of how much of a gross and egregious violation of the constitution and national security? or they won't take it up since it involves the sharif family?


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You can read about it in the SC's short order here. But to give you a better picture, here's what I can see - and the read of that of most qualified people - not just amateurs like you and I:

PTI leaders had in the run up to this made a few attempts to misapply the constitution, prior to this they were also arguing for preventing an NVC by pre-emptively disqualifying candidates or not counting their votes afterwards, neither of which is prescribed.

As per the last reference to the Supreme Court, the SC's opinion said that the NVC must go on as per the Speaker's Constitutional mandate, no later than 3rd April. He violated this mandate and the explicit advice of the SC Opinion to respect this and conduct the vote by frivolously and incorrectly applying Art. 5 to dissolve the assembly.

Opposition lawyers, Pakistan Bar Council and the SC Bar all made solid arguments against this, the court also felt that Art. 5 was applied without any pending case against members or the house. The repeated delay tactics and this last attempt to stop the vote is why the SC explicitly ordered voting to commence no later than the 9th of April, and must be the first item on the agenda. Compounding this, a PM who's subject to an NVC cannot ask the President to dissolve assemblies, which IK did and it was clearly premeditated.

Due to the nature of the actions of the Deputy Speaker, are called in legal terms a "nullity", meaning anything happening afterwards is void. It's why in the short order, SC keeps using the term "In consequence of the foregoing, [...]", before commenting on what is explicitly voided.

What's funny is, immediately on the day this happened I said on the forum that "it's not over yet", and that SC will likely take this case up themselves because of how much of a gross and egregious violation of the constitution the Deputy Speaker's actions were. People here were busy celebrating and cackling at us contrarians while fawning over the genius of IK. Sure enough it wasn't genius, and the court took notice. Meanwhile, some were making the incorrect argument that the courts can't interfere with the NA due to Art. 69 procedural independence. Not realising that:​
A) Article 69 is qualified by Article 67, and therefore subject to the rest of the constitution.​

B) The Court can intervene, the last time the court directly did rule a Speaker's actions as "justiciable", were in the last parliament, when Imran Khan himself submitted a reference when he was pushing for NS to be disqualified.


Furthermore, although I don't think the court commented on this because they take an apolitical stance and cannot comment on intent, but the whole affair was clearly based on mala fide intent, it was premeditated to prevent the vote, the Speaker/Deputy cannot issue a legal verdict on the legality of a motion in the NA, that's not within his power at all.

Small disclaimer at the end, I am not a legal export, not trained or educated in law. I just followed the hearings closely and repeat what I heard from legal experts and the court itself. Frankly, for this case, you DO NOT need to be legally qualified to know the answer. It was bloody obvious that the court had to take notice and that the inevitable verdict would be thus - it was an open and shut case.​
Just because you can write long gibberish doesn't mean it's correct. PTI govt had no problem with NCM vote provided it happened entirely on its own organically within the country. The threatening letter from US had hinted it wasn't the case and a foreign power wanted NCM to succeed - something that was acknowledged in NSC meeting in the presence of entire security establishment of Pakistan.

Based on this PTI govt argued that NCM vote is mala fide intent because it had elements of foreign interference. Thus article 5 of the constitution of Pakistan was invoked to delay the vote pending inquiry of the said interference. There was no need to break the assembly even if NCM vote was adjourned by the speaker. This was a mistake
 
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