Impacts on Ukraine war on Pakistan

[Super Falcon]

War is imminent ukraine war definately create issues for us hope that we stand neutral dont make stupid mistakes by choosing sides

India always playwell in these scenarios

 

[Sayfullah]

This could be a opportunity for us.
Ukraine needs money. We can convince them to give us al Khalid engines with tot and anti tank missiles with tot. We can use this opportunity to bring lots of new tech to Pakistan.

 

[Khan vilatey]

This could be a opportunity for us.
Ukraine needs money. We can convince them to give us al Khalid engines with tot and anti tank missiles with tot. We can use this opportunity to bring lots of new tech to Pakistan.

I agree

k

 

[SQ8]

What did I say yesterday?

https://apple.news/AtygGSV3lTMi5R4W-jUyKwA

“Russia wants the United States and NATO to guarantee that the Western military alliance will not expand further eastwards or deploy certain weapons systems in Ukraine and other countries that border Russia.”

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

Turkey is already supporting Ukraine against Russia.

So it makes sense for Pakistan to join forces with Turkey

Turkey, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Israel, Ukraine

versus

Russia, Iran, Armenia, Syria, Belarus

 

[alimobin memon]

I think Pak was in talks with russia for t80ud upgrades after mi 35 deal.

 

[SuvarnaTeja]

I think Pak was in talks with russia for t80ud upgrades after mi 35 deal.

Ukrainian tanks are superior to Russian tanks.

Eastern Ukraine was the manufacturing hub of the Soviet Union.

 

[Khan vilatey]

What did I say yesterday?

https://apple.news/AtygGSV3lTMi5R4W-jUyKwA

“Russia wants the United States and NATO to guarantee that the Western military alliance will not expand further eastwards or deploy certain weapons systems in Ukraine and other countries that border Russia.”

Yes, agreed but this is something Biden can not give lest he looks weak yet Putin can not allow Nato expansion in Ukraine this is needed for the survival of Russia. So the question really is can Russia afford to face sanctions from the US and Europe. As Europe is divided there is a high probability that Russia will survive , in this picture Russia has nothing to lose if it takes most of Ukraine

k

 

[Khan vilatey]

Hey latest news from Moscow they want everything or will have no choice to liberate z Ukraine

Russia Ukraine: Moscow lists demands for defusing Ukraine tensions

Moscow says Nato should abandon hopes of Ukraine joining and Nato states should get rid of weapons.

www.bbc.com

 

[nahtanbob]

It all depends on backchannels at this point but wrapping up a 120k+ personnel exercise is a cost in terms of morale and cohesion as well.
American sanctions may no longer have the impact as much as European ones - at this time the relationship with other OPEC members is key in terms of them promising to offset Russian suppliers in case a conflict goes warm with a UAV or arty skirmish.
The Russians would prefer not to have a hostile Ukraine so they will do whatever they can to get that concession at the least. Most likely outcome is that Russia withdraws but so does the US and European military training and influence on Ukraine. A status quo of sorts is resumed and Russia gets a small recession in return.

In the intermediate term Ukranians want to join the EU and NATO. there is not much Russia can do about it

 

[Khan vilatey]

In the intermediate term Ukranians want to join the EU and NATO. there is not much Russia can do about it

Yes 145 k Russian troops on the Ukraine border are there for snow fishing . If Ukrainian attempts to join nato or EU, Russia will drive to Kiev and install a democratic government in Ukraine that represents all of the Ukrainian people!

k

 

[mhosein]

Russia will not invade Ukraine, rather Ukraine will launch a full offensive over the Donbass region. The Ukrainian aggression against the people of Donbass might be timed when Orthodox Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus the Messiah, Son of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

This attack will be designed to trap Russia into retaliation against Ukrainian aggression. And will be by design to give NATO the excuse to expedite Ukraine's admission into NATO. Thereby necessitating NATO to retaliate against Russia.

Remember, Russia is not the one seeking to invade Ukraine, nor Europe. Rather it is NATO seeking to weaken Russia before it becomes impossible for them to defeat Russia. As of today, it is Russia and not the West, who has advanced in military technology with the advent of deployed hypersonic weapons.

As history bares testament, this has occurred in the past as well. When the Russian Empire was a powerful state and commanded respect. The first world war was by design to disembowel two powerful states at the time. The Russian Empire with the war and the Bolshevik revolution, as well as the Ottoman Caliphate with the revolt by the Sharif of Makkah and the alliance of Saud with the Wahhabi Ikhwaan.

Russia today has been provoked into wars. Whether it be in South Ossetia where Georgia provoked a Russian response. Or be it the Crimea and the Donbass region, where Ukraine has provoked Russia to respond.

 

[mhosein]

Russia withdraws 10,000 troops from Ukrainian border regions

Over 10,000 Russian soldiers are now heading back to their home bases following month-long drills held in various regions, including those bordering Ukraine.

It was announced by the Southern Military District Command, on Saturday, with Interfax reporting that forces have finished their “operational coordination” exercise. It added that more than 10,000 servicemen would now “march to their home bases from the territory of joint training ranges.”



The command confirmed that the drills, which lasted for about a month, were held in various regions, including Crimea and Rostov Oblast, which border Ukraine. The news comes amid tensions between Moscow and NATO over supposed Russian troop buildup near the country.

The Western media and some officials have been repeatedly pointing to the allegedly growing number of Russian soldiers and hardware deployed to the regions bordering Ukraine. On Thursday Bloomberg reported on yet more allegations of beefing up, citing data provided by Western defense intelligence firm Janes.

The news circulating in the media prompted Washington and its allies to warn Moscow of severe consequences in the case it does attack Ukraine. Russia repeatedly denied such plans even existed and, in turn, requested security guarantees from NATO and the US in the form of a set of proposals sent to Brussels and Washington.

In early December, the head of the Russian General Staff, Army General Valery Gerasimov, said that Moscow does not plan any offensive actions, adding that NATO pays “excessive attention” to “routine military practices” taking place within Russia’s own sovereign territory.

The list of the guarantees included a demand that NATO won’t expand eastward into states that were formerly a part of the USSR. Such a demand was already rejected by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg in an interview with the German dpa news agency but both NATO and Washington expressed their readiness to negotiate with Russia on security.

Some of the other troop movements that sparked such extreme concerns in the West were apparently also linked to routine drills. In early December, Russia’s Western Military District Command announced that sniper exercises had started in several regions, including the Belgorod and Voronezh regions bordering Ukraine. These were not the only ones to host such drills, since the Smolensk region bordering Belarus was on the list as well.

Russia withdraws 10,000 troops from Ukrainian border regions https://www.rt.com/russia/544403-troops-withdraw-ukraine-border-military/

 

[Tshering22]

Yes, agreed but this is something Biden can not give lest he looks weak yet Putin can not allow Nato expansion in Ukraine this is needed for the survival of Russia. So the question really is can Russia afford to face sanctions from the US and Europe. As Europe is divided there is a high probability that Russia will survive , in this picture Russia has nothing to lose if it takes most of Ukraine

k

Russia is sitting on resources worth many times over the worth of the European economies. It is a self-sustaining entity in almost all areas. It may lack the finesse of Western companies, but it has a massive industrial sector within - whether it is mining, heavy engineering, aerospace, space, maritime shipbuilding, nuclear technology, oil & gas, or even agriculture.

Russia has already stopped using Dollar for ages, transacting either in Euros, Rubles or gold. The only element that is left for being sanctioned is oil and gas. If the EU pushes for that, it will commit suicide as the taps will be instantly shut before any new deliveries can commence from anywhere around the world. Bringing gas tankers from the United States would be prohibitively expensive. Also, France, the current kingmaker of EU, does not want complete dependence on the United States, so a complete sanctioning of Russia is almost out of question.

Russia knows what the NATO countries will do; they will send in aid in the form of weapons and make the Ukrainian soldiers fight and die for them. That's not what Ukrainians want, especially the Eastern ones. Zelensky should focus on restoring neutrality before it gets ugly.

Russia withdraws 10,000 troops from Ukrainian border regions

Over 10,000 Russian soldiers are now heading back to their home bases following month-long drills held in various regions, including those bordering Ukraine.

It was announced by the Southern Military District Command, on Saturday, with Interfax reporting that forces have finished their “operational coordination” exercise. It added that more than 10,000 servicemen would now “march to their home bases from the territory of joint training ranges.”



The command confirmed that the drills, which lasted for about a month, were held in various regions, including Crimea and Rostov Oblast, which border Ukraine. The news comes amid tensions between Moscow and NATO over supposed Russian troop buildup near the country.

The Western media and some officials have been repeatedly pointing to the allegedly growing number of Russian soldiers and hardware deployed to the regions bordering Ukraine. On Thursday Bloomberg reported on yet more allegations of beefing up, citing data provided by Western defense intelligence firm Janes.

The news circulating in the media prompted Washington and its allies to warn Moscow of severe consequences in the case it does attack Ukraine. Russia repeatedly denied such plans even existed and, in turn, requested security guarantees from NATO and the US in the form of a set of proposals sent to Brussels and Washington.

In early December, the head of the Russian General Staff, Army General Valery Gerasimov, said that Moscow does not plan any offensive actions, adding that NATO pays “excessive attention” to “routine military practices” taking place within Russia’s own sovereign territory.

The list of the guarantees included a demand that NATO won’t expand eastward into states that were formerly a part of the USSR. Such a demand was already rejected by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg in an interview with the German dpa news agency but both NATO and Washington expressed their readiness to negotiate with Russia on security.

Some of the other troop movements that sparked such extreme concerns in the West were apparently also linked to routine drills. In early December, Russia’s Western Military District Command announced that sniper exercises had started in several regions, including the Belgorod and Voronezh regions bordering Ukraine. These were not the only ones to host such drills, since the Smolensk region bordering Belarus was on the list as well.

Russia withdraws 10,000 troops from Ukrainian border regions https://www.rt.com/russia/544403-troops-withdraw-ukraine-border-military/

Seems more like deception. They have over 100K soldiers there already and withdrawing 10 means nothing. Not to mention the Poland-Belarus crisis created by Lukashenko with Putin's blessings.

 

[Khan vilatey]

Russia will not invade Ukraine, rather Ukraine will launch a full offensive over the Donbass region. The Ukrainian aggression against the people of Donbass might be timed when Orthodox Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus the Messiah, Son of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

This attack will be designed to trap Russia into retaliation against Ukrainian aggression. And will be by design to give NATO the excuse to expedite Ukraine's admission into NATO. Thereby necessitating NATO to retaliate against Russia.

Remember, Russia is not the one seeking to invade Ukraine, nor Europe. Rather it is NATO seeking to weaken Russia before it becomes impossible for them to defeat Russia. As of today, it is Russia and not the West, who has advanced in military technology with the advent of deployed hypersonic weapons.

As history bares testament, this has occurred in the past as well. When the Russian Empire was a powerful state and commanded respect. The first world war was by design to disembowel two powerful states at the time. The Russian Empire with the war and the Bolshevik revolution, as well as the Ottoman Caliphate with the revolt by the Sharif of Makkah and the alliance of Saud with the Wahhabi Ikhwaan.

Russia today has been provoked into wars. Whether it be in South Ossetia where Georgia provoked a Russian response. Or be it the Crimea and the Donbass region, where Ukraine has provoked Russia to respond.

ok Mohsin, agree to disagree . We will wait till things unfold

k