northern bonzi got a long list of grievances against the US, all somewhat plausible, some even reasonable. to begin with, why the heck are American troops still garrisoned on the peninsula? Belgians/thais/Frenchmen long withdrew theirs; Chinese troops, the only conceivably justification for American presence seeing that Chinese and American armies were the primary antagonists in the war, also withdrew in the 50's. American garrison - the occasional aerial and naval incursion into the north and the constant mind games - rightly stoked northern fear.
The reason why the Americans are in South Korea is because the South Koreans asked them to stay, now tell me wich side is constantly trying to 'unify' Korea under communism? The South Koreans have just as good reasons to fear the north.
we are talking about Americans' messing with kim's family and toying with their assassination or destruction for three generations! this all dates back to a time when northern bonzi were seen as economically competitive and politically rational
Ever heard about the blue house raid? North Koreans have been doing the exact same thing, don't pretend the North is innocent here.
by comparison, Belgium at the time was colonising congo, destablising its nascent democracy, assassinating its founding leaders, all with CIA help that Belgium possibly procured with the political goodwill with uncle sam that, like you said, accrued through Belgian participation in the korea war.
most people will know the more recent part: the kim family descended into this paranoia about the west, a paranoia heightened by the famine in the 90's and by the economic ruination by the collapse of its major trading partners in the warsaw pact countries and isolation by the west. by contrast, having gotten rich off its plundered riches from congo and now living in the diplomatic security that it purchased by selling itself off to the US and the economic security that it stole with american help, a tiny belgium can gracefully itself from the crueler aspects of realpolitik and eloquently profess to a belief in global justice and marvel at korean hysteria that belgium helped engineer in the postbellum years.
if there is anything for a belgium to hold to heart, it is this bitter irony: that six decades ago, belgium pulled a realpolitik move that secured the good favor of the angloamericans who in turn helped your avaricious and murderous former king and colonial operatives loot the belgian africa by butchering africans and assassinating their liberation leaders. belgium got richer and safer when korea got poorer and more insecure. you bought your wealth and security with the steady impoverishment and destablisation of korea - and with your soul. if international politics knew any justice, the korean ICBMs should aim at brussels, i would say.
Very cute, now you're trying to drag Belgium in it. 2 can play that game. Belgium has killed many people in Congo, everyone knows that. Mao has murdered many millions of Chinese people, more than Belgium ever has in Congo. China has been murdering and extorting it's weak neighbors like Tibet or Buthan. Why don't you recognize the will of Taiwanese people and give their freedom? Why are you trying to steal the Senkaku islands? Since the communist revolution, China has killed more than anyone on this planet if we start counting from 1949. If there's one country that deserves to be nuked many times over, it is communist China.
You are in no position to point your finger at Belgium, you rightfully pointed out the Belgian crimes, but you're acting like a complete hypocrite when it comes to China's crimes.
if there is anything for a belgium to hold to heart, it is this bitter irony: that six decades ago, belgium pulled a realpolitik move that secured the good favor of the angloamericans who in turn helped your avaricious and murderous former king and colonial operatives loot the belgian africa by butchering africans and assassinating their liberation leaders.
You know what I find bitter irony? China was for a while nothing more but a colony of western countries, when they finally gained their independence, you would think they would be advocates of peace? A big no, China has been invading and murdering since 1949.
There's one key difference between China and Belgium: at least Belgium admits their crimes, at least Belgians admits they are living in a country with a history full of cowardice and murder, we're blaming no one but ourselves, while China is blaming 'western agression' like the cowards they are.
The big irony here is that you're that you're claming to be a believer in 'real politik', but when it comes to China or NK, you're always blaming someone else for your problems.
but i am but a chinese and a realist at that. i say that you bloody belgians screwed the bonzi and the congolese for your own benefit, and there is no higher moral doctrine than raison d'etat in foreign policies, and as a chinese i also say that any foreign force that tries to whip the bonzi will be whipped by us because by the sheer logic of realpolitik we have never sat on our hands watching anyone else spank the bonzi, no matter what crimes the bonzi committed. so i say the bonzi shouldn't attack belgium for its historic crimes against asians and africans, but if they did, i must ask you to let it go because china will not let belgium retaliate for bonzi accidentally wiping out the whole of flanders. there is no justice or injustice in belgium screwing korea and congo; no justice or injustice in bonzi nuking half of belgium; and no justice or injustice in china nuking off the other half of belgium if belgium wants to do anything about losing its first half. we live in a jaded world where your moral beliefs are but a recent invention - and fiction - and chinese interest in and dominance of the korean peninsula live far longer than your christian religion and know fiercer jealousy than your old testament god.
Real Politik does not care about morals, not USA, not Belgium, not China. China has murdered like everybody else, pretending like evryone else as well. Your theory of real politik applies to everyone, including China, I hope you know that.
Little boy, when will you reach adulthood?
Whenever you reach adulthood along with me.
You want to argue DPRK is the aggressor, the one who will start shooting first and as a result the US can easily defeat DPRK (doesn't matter whether conventional or nuclear) while China is standing by doing nothing. This is why i call you a rookie in analyzing East Asian Affairs. You don't know sh!t.
I never claimed to be an expert, I will not be pointing fingers to everyone and call them a rookie and saying they don't know sh!t, I am not that much of a hypocrite.
Why is DPRK the aggressor? Please explain. Do you know history? Do you? DPRK and ROK exists because of the Cold War mentality right after WW2. If there was no such issue, there would no be division. So do not talk like a complete idiot using the word aggressor.
Yes, North and South only excists because of the cold war mentality pushed by the USA, Soviet Union and Communist China. But tell me, who invaded who? Who has been yelling that they would nuke USA many times over? Who has been wanting to unify Korea under communism, against the will of the people from the south? I am very aware of the politics going on, Usa and Belgium only care about their own interests, atleast I admit that. You honestly think that China gives a crap about North Korea? You honestly think that Kim Jong Un cares about his own people, or does he only want the nukes to secure his position? You be the judge.
Thus,you can assume South Korea and the USA have just as many reasons if not more to call North Korea the agressor.
What DPRK wants is unification.
Under communism, under the authoritarian rule of the Kim family, against the wil of the South.
Poor little North Korea, right?
Imagine Belgium got split into two parts if the other part starts a unification battle would it be right for the rest of the world starts labeling the attacker as aggressor?
Many in Belgium would be happy to be split. A supa dupa smart guy like yourself should have known about the division between Flanders and Walloons.
Even South Koreans don't call DPRK as aggressors and a Belgian idiot is, you need to check your brains kid. Learn proper terminologies and historical facts if you want to discuss serious issues here.
South Koreans don't call the North agressors? They do not fear them? huh, that's weird.
Never claimed to be Einstein, I am here to learn and have my ignorance corrected. You're not the one correcting it, however. You're attacking 'a Belgian idiot', you're the one acting immature.
