I'm PakBlood, an aspiring political scientist & writer.

[PakBlood]

welcome here @PakBlood
i am supersized by your introduction you are very similar to my ideology however i am 32.
i have also written few articles regarding Pakistan affairs but one thing i experienced that Long term issues need a patient try.. Try patiently and consider it your moral duty(of life) if you don't wanna get tired sooner..

Oh , yes indeed, thanks for the advice, nice to know that we share the same ideological beliefs.

 

[Khanate]

Welcome to the forum @PakBlood

 

[TruthSeeker]

Welcome!

You say you are a "moderate" Islamist, but, also, that you support "constitutionalism". I have thought that the term "Islamism" is meant to convey a belief that the Quran and the Hadiths provide enough basis for human government and that documents such as the USA Constitution with its Bill of Rights ( i.e., free speech, assembly, bearing arms, etc.) constitutes a blasphemous usurpation of Allah's role in guiding the affairs of humanity. Is that not right? Can an "Islamist" believe in "constitutionalism"?

 

[Slav Defence]

Welcome!

You say you are a "moderate" Islamist, but, also, that you support "constitutionalism". I have thought that the term "Islamism" is meant to convey a belief that the Quran and the Hadiths provide enough basis for human government and that documents such as the USA Constitution with its Bill of Rights ( i.e., free speech, assembly, bearing arms, etc.) constitutes a blasphemous usurpation of Allah's role in guiding the affairs of humanity. Is that not right? Can an "Islamist" believe in "constitutionalism"?

For God sake, spare this new kid with this typical notion of yours that believers are enemies of new ideas and variation.We do not hang people because they are up with new scientific ideas.We have suffered as much as other civilizations did.Our libraries were also burnt into ashes when "crusaders" (I do not call them Christians) and "Mongols" got victory over us.We have seen tragedies in Spain and in middle east as well.
We also do not deny free speech but strongly believe in taking care of sentiments.We will not at all cost allow the abuse of freedom of speech.And abuser of freedom of speech must be treated as criminal as an abusive speech abuses entire society hence humans ended up with frustration, depression, hatred and society undergoes into chaos and anarchy.
We don't need to learn from Americans for how to run a society, a nation that has learned to accept democracy 30 years before and is 200 years old.You have learn your ways to run a system of government you want and it do offers what do you need my friend, but forcing other nations to follow it and denying their rights to accept a code of conduct that suits them is the biggest blasphemous usurpation of nature it self.Whosoever does not agrees with you either becomes a terrorist or unfriendly enemy and threat for your ideas.
You know very well that this boy has sweet intention: To mingle up with everybody and thats why he's talking like that- Let him grow up here and let us observe what he comes up with.Don't start here

regards

 

[PakBlood]

Welcome!

You say you are a "moderate" Islamist, but, also, that you support "constitutionalism". I have thought that the term "Islamism" is meant to convey a belief that the Quran and the Hadiths provide enough basis for human government and that documents such as the USA Constitution with its Bill of Rights ( i.e., free speech, assembly, bearing arms, etc.) constitutes a blasphemous usurpation of Allah's role in guiding the affairs of humanity. Is that not right? Can an "Islamist" believe in "constitutionalism"?

Well, I'm going to have to politely disagree with your statement.
Islamism is simply the belief that Islamic teachings, as derived from the Quran and the Hadith, should have a role in the political landscape of a territory where Muslims constitute the majority, that does not mean that we advocate the creation of some sort of a totalitarian thocratic dictatorship under which the merciless killing of non-muslims(a horrible act) takes place, nor do we believe that free speech and other human rights are incompatible with our religious beliefs, actually it is quite the opposite.

I simply think that the US constitution is a fascinating document, it lays out the structure for a democratic state(or a constitutional republic) with checks and balances and secures the rights of its citizens, so, I simply advocate a more Islamic manifestation of it , rather than a Judea-Christian inspired variant that, in my opinion , would be suitable for the prosperity of my motherland Pakistan.

As for the belief in constitutionalism , then the Quran is our constitution

For God sake, spare this new kid with this typical notion of yours that believers are enemies of new ideas and variation.We do not hang people because they are up with new scientific ideas.We have suffered as much as other civilizations did.Our libraries were also burnt into ashes when "crusaders" (I do not call them Christians) and "Mongols" got victory over us.We have seen tragedies in Spain and in middle east as well.
We also do not deny free speech but strongly believe in taking care of sentiments.We will not at all cost allow the abuse of freedom of speech.And abuser of freedom of speech must be treated as criminal as an abusive speech abuses entire society hence humans ended up with frustration, depression, hatred and society undergoes into chaos and anarchy.
We don't need to learn from Americans for how to run a society, a nation that has learned to accept democracy 30 years before and is 200 years old.You have learn your ways to run a system of government you want and it do offers what do you need my friend, but forcing other nations to follow it and denying their rights to accept a code of conduct that suits them is the biggest blasphemous usurpation of nature it self.Whosoever does not agrees with you either becomes a terrorist or unfriendly enemy and threat for your ideas.
You know very well that this boy has sweet intention: To mingle up with everybody and thats why he's talking like that- Let him grow up here and let us observe what he comes up with.Don't start here

regards

Loved reading your reply,sir, , could you tell me how to give a positive rating, please?

 

[Slav Defence]

Well, I'm going to have to politely disagree with your statement.
Islamism is simply the belief that Islamic teachings, as derived from the Quran and the Hadith, should have a role in the political landscape of a territory where Muslims constitute the majority, that does not mean that we advocate the creation of some sort of a totalitarian thocratic dictatorship under which the merciless killing of non-muslims(a horrible act) takes place, nor do we believe that free speech and other human rights are incompatible with our religious beliefs, actually it is quite the opposite.

I simply think that the US constitution is a fascinating document, it lays out the structure for a democratic state(or a constitutional republic) with checks and balances and secures the rights of its citizens, so, I simply advocate a more Islamic manifestation of it , rather than a Judea-Christian inspired variant that, in my opinion , would be suitable for the prosperity of my motherland Pakistan.

As for the belief in constitutionalism , then the Quran is our constitution



Loved reading your reply,sir, , could you tell me how to give a positive rating, please?

That's reserved for title holders only.They utilize it to "mark" good post quality and a poster hence handpicked by us in the end.Once promoted as title holder, then given such privilege to rate as well.

Welcome aboard!

 

[PakBlood]

That's reserved for title holders only.They utilize it to "mark" good post quality and a poster hence handpicked by us in the end.Once promoted as title holder, then given such privilege to rate as well.

Welcome aboard!

oh, I see, thanks you. :p

thank*

 

[TruthSeeker]

Well, I'm going to have to politely disagree with your statement.

As for the belief in constitutionalism , then the Quran is our constitution

Exactly what I meant when I said in my post above: "I have thought that the term "Islamism" is meant to convey a belief that the Quran and the Hadiths provide enough basis for human government ..."

Isn't that what you said yourself in your response to my post, i.e. the quote above from your post?

For God sake, spare this new kid with this typical notion of yours that believers are enemies of new ideas and variation.

I was trying to understand more about why he called himself an "Islamist". He didn't call himself a "believer" as you imply in your reply. I'm trying to understand how people of who believe in Islam differentiate themselves from "believers" such as those who support Daesh. I thought the term "Islamist" was used to make this distinction. What term do "believers" use to identify the subset of "believers" who support Daesh?

 

[Slav Defence]

Exactly what I meant when I said in my post above: "I have thought that the term "Islamism" is meant to convey a belief that the Quran and the Hadiths provide enough basis for human government ..."

Isn't that what you said yourself in your response to my post, i.e. the quote above from your post?



I was trying to understand more about why he called himself an "Islamist". He didn't call himself a "believer" as you imply in your reply. I'm trying to understand how people of who believe in Islam differentiate themselves from "believers" such as those who support Daesh. I thought the term "Islamist" was used to make this distinction. What term do "believers" use to identify the subset of "believers" who support Daesh?

The former refers to those that are optimistic, follow God in a way told, does not adopt extremism as commanded to avoid again and again by prophet, earn knowledge as made to acquire mandatory, dress with modesty ,dress appropriately ,does not become a moral judge, are humble to everyone, respect laws of the country , if migrate to another land then set best examples and are not hypocrite, pray 5 times a day, gives charity, keeps fast, are loyal spouse, avoid hurting other's sentiment, are not in arrogance, use common sense etc.
The latter is a term coined by "I don't know who!" and are bunch of downhearted extremist with zero knowledge of religion and are indicated in a hadith as group of people to be careful with in the end of times by a Rasool Allah (SAW), a group that seem to be "best followers" yet Quran cannot go down to their throats!

Regards

 

[XDescendantX]

A very well written introduction. Highly intelligent patriots on PDF are always a plus! Welcome brother!!

 

[somebozo]

But picture is styled in Arab fashion...Oppa Arab style..

 

[Thanatos]

Welcome. See you around.

 

[The Diplomat]

Welcome. See you around.

Wow 2008 and 11 messages. I welcome you to PDF aswell!

 

[MultaniGuy]

Welcome to the forum.

 

[mercurydancer]

Welcome to the forum. As indicated I am English, and one of the reasons why I visit this site is to understand different viewpoints.