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Suspect forcibly taken away: police

The police were on Wednesday left protesting against some army personnel over the custody of a suspect in a 2011 forced-marriage case.

The police said a group of army men forcibly took away the suspect from the Misri Shah police station on Wednesday evening.
Not only this, the police officials claimed the soldiers briefly held hostage a sub-inspector and gave a thrashing to other staff at the police station. The sub-inspector, identified simply as Javed, had arrested Saleem Masih, working as a sweeper in an army unit, in a forced-marriage case registered in 2011.

Military sources rebutted the police claim. They said only two personnel had secured the release of Saleem Masih from police custody and termed Masih’s arrest “unauthorised and illegal”.

According to police sources, a case (897/11) under Section 496 (Marriage ceremony fraudulently gone through…) and 380 (Theft in dwelling house, etc.) of the PPC was registered against Saleem Masih. The complainant was Anjum Shahzadi, who said Masih had forced her daughter to marry him.

It is said that SI Javed arrested and brought him to the police station on Wednesday, only to see his catch snatched away soon afterwards. The police said Javed was himself taken away and was set free near the Murghi Khana stop in the cantonment.

Military sources, however, insisted that “it is totally wrong to say” that the police station was “raided” by a contingent led by an officer. According to the military law, police were required to give prior information to the authorities concerned before arresting any military personnel or a civilian employed with the army and this was not done in this case.

They said that higher authorities on the two sides were in contact with each other for an amicable resolution of the issue and inquiries were under way to find truth and pin responsibility.

The military sources denied that SI Javed had been taken away from the police station. They said Saleem Masih might be handed over to police if it was established that he was genuinely involved in the case.

@dawn

---------- Post added at 10:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:21 AM ----------

A tearful meeting between brother captives of ISI

When Abdul Bais briefly met his two brothers in ISI’s custody, through Supreme Court’s intervention, he was left speechless. “They looked like ghosts; living dead,” he commented.

They were crying and curious to know whether their mother was still alive or dead. Neither they were aware that Abdul Saboor, third brother, had been killed in detention nor Abdul Bais had the nerves to play havoc with them. “They were too weak to walk and had been reduced to skeletons, counting their days in this cruel world.”

One of them, Abdul Majid, 24 now, was wearing a urine bag due to some kidney problem, a sight that brought a deluge of tears in Abdul Bais eyes. “I kissed the bag in a sign of sheer helplessness and then his thin feet with bare bones.”

As the visiting brother turned attention to Abdul Basit, 26, another brother under detention, he found him reduced to a bunch of bones, whose left foot has become disabled. “His foot looked like a deadwood.”

“I hid from them the tragic news of Abdul Saboor’s killing and their own sufferings as we kept staring at each other. Helplessness was being pronounced through our eyes,” said Abdul Bais, who met them on January 31, an opportunity granted on the directives of the apex court that was moved after the death of Abdul Saboor, fourth in the row killed in six-month span.

For the remaining seven still surviving, the ISI has been directed to produce them today (Thursday) before the Supreme Court bench headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry.

After the court’s production order, the detainees have registered a better treatment being given to them, not knowing they are being prepared for appearance before the court. “We are receiving better treatment for sometimes,” Abdul Basit told his visiting brother.

There is only one pill for all ills, the detainee explained, no matter they feel headache, backache or suffer from other disease. Three families have been allowed to see their relatives under the ISI detention. When Abdul Bais met his brothers, kept in Lady Reading Hospital (Peshawar), he was escorted by two plain-clothed officials that he speculates was an intelligence officer accompanied by a low-ranking subordinate.

As he was taken to detained brothers, Abdul Bais saw them blind-folded and caps on their heads that were removed only during the course of meeting. “How is Saboor?,” was the first question Abdul Basit faced from the detainee brothers. “Hearing this was like being hit by a bombshell,” he later told The News. “I fought my tears back and feigned my ignorance.” The next emotionally-charged question shot at him was that whether the mother was alive or dead.

As they are kept and transported blindfolded, the detainees were unaware of their location, said Abdul Bais. They pleaded their innocence and started crying.“Ask him, tell our crime,” Abdul Basit said of the intelligence officer present on the occasion, addressing to his visiting brother. “None of our captors have ever told us about our crime,” he went on. “Instead we are told that the court had bailed us out of the allegations levelled relating to involvement in terrorism cases. We are told we have been proven innocent, yet not released.”

@Thenews

---------- Post added at 10:23 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:21 AM ----------

Hospital in a fix over detainees with critical injuries

Authorities at a public sector hospital here are perturbed over the manner in which missing persons are brought there by intelligence agencies in critical condition and with slim chances of their survival, an official at the hospital said.

The official at the Lady Reading Hospital, the biggest public sector hospital in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, said four people who were among the 11 prisoners who went missing from Rawalpindi’s Adiala jail were brought to the hospital in precarious condition and doctors there had no chance to save them.

The four detainees — Mohammad Aamir, Tehseenullah, Said Arab and Syed Abdul Saboor — died in mysterious circumstances at the hospital over the past few months.

The official said another four detainees presently undergoing treatment at the medico-legal ward of the hospital were also brought in a “bad shape”.

With the Supreme Court set to resume hearing on Thursday in the case of 11 prisoners who went missing from Adiala jail, personnel of an intelligence agency and police have been keeping an eye on the medico-legal ward, where the four detainees have been undergoing treatment.

The security sleuths have not been allowing any person, including family members, to meet the four detainees.

Four of the 11 detainees have died, another four have now been at the Lady Reading Hospital, whereas about the other three the counsel for intelligence agencies had informed the apex court that they were at an internment centre at Parachinar, Kurrum Agency.

The 11 prisoners were acquitted by an anti-terrorism court in Rawalpindi in different cases of terrorism. But they went missing mysteriously on May 28, 2010, after the Lahore High Court ordered their release.

Initially, the government continued to express ignorance about them, but in Dec 2010 counsel for intelligence agencies admitted that they were in their custody. He, however, claimed they were arrested from a conflict zone.

He had said the detainees would be tried by a court martial under the Army Act. However, despite the passage of over a year since that statement was made, they have not been tried so far. Four of them have died.

The official at the LRH told Dawn that these four detainees, two of whom are brothers of the dead Abdul Saboor, were suffering from multiple ailments and had they been referred to the hospital earlier, complications would not have arisen.

He confided to Dawn that one of the detainees was suffering from disease of urine retention, one had intestinal obstruction while another was suffering from hernia and needed to be operated upon immediately.

Two of them, he added, were constantly running high fever, he said. “All the four have been suffering from scabies,” the official said.

The four detainees had not been referred to LRH by any hospital. Instead, he said, they were brought by intelligence agencies.

The hospital had earlier communicated to the said agency not to bring prisoners at such a belated stage because in similar cases in the past the hospital had to take the blame for deaths.

Relatives of the two brothers, Abdul Majid and Abdul Basit, complained that except for a brief meeting on Jan 31, the authorities were not allowing anyone to visit them.

A policeman at the entrance of Plastic and Reconstruction Unit said he was under orders not to allow anyone to enter the premises except hospital workers.

UNDER WATCH: A number of intelligence men, in plain clothes, are keeping an eye on the said premises.

The other two detainees kept there have been identified as Dr Niaz Ahmed and Gul Roze.

During a hearing on Jan 30, a bench of the Supreme Court had directed the counsel for the Inter Services Intelligence and the Military Intelligence (MI) to produce the detainees on Feb 9.

@dawn

---------- Post added at 10:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:23 AM ----------

Wake up Pakistaniyo, before its too late... !!
 
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Hi,

Well---if the police officer had the ballz---he should have executed the millitary personale and officials right then and there and charged it as a terrorist strike---.

The police needs to take a stand once for all---any millitary man doing these things needs to be shot---right then and there---. Pak police have to snatch their dignity from pak millitary at all costs.
 
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Suspect forcibly taken away: police

The police were on Wednesday left protesting against some army personnel over the custody of a suspect in a 2011 forced-marriage case.

The police said a group of army men forcibly took away the suspect from the Misri Shah police station on Wednesday evening.
Not only this, the police officials claimed the soldiers briefly held hostage a sub-inspector and gave a thrashing to other staff at the police station. The sub-inspector, identified simply as Javed, had arrested Saleem Masih, working as a sweeper in an army unit, in a forced-marriage case registered in 2011.

Military sources rebutted the police claim. They said only two personnel had secured the release of Saleem Masih from police custody and termed Masih’s arrest “unauthorised and illegal”.

According to police sources, a case (897/11) under Section 496 (Marriage ceremony fraudulently gone through…) and 380 (Theft in dwelling house, etc.) of the PPC was registered against Saleem Masih. The complainant was Anjum Shahzadi, who said Masih had forced her daughter to marry him.

It is said that SI Javed arrested and brought him to the police station on Wednesday, only to see his catch snatched away soon afterwards. The police said Javed was himself taken away and was set free near the Murghi Khana stop in the cantonment.

Military sources, however, insisted that “it is totally wrong to say” that the police station was “raided” by a contingent led by an officer. According to the military law, police were required to give prior information to the authorities concerned before arresting any military personnel or a civilian employed with the army and this was not done in this case.

They said that higher authorities on the two sides were in contact with each other for an amicable resolution of the issue and inquiries were under way to find truth and pin responsibility.

The military sources denied that SI Javed had been taken away from the police station. They said Saleem Masih might be handed over to police if it was established that he was genuinely involved in the case.

@dawn

---------- Post added at 10:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:21 AM ----------

A tearful meeting between brother captives of ISI

When Abdul Bais briefly met his two brothers in ISI’s custody, through Supreme Court’s intervention, he was left speechless. “They looked like ghosts; living dead,” he commented.

They were crying and curious to know whether their mother was still alive or dead. Neither they were aware that Abdul Saboor, third brother, had been killed in detention nor Abdul Bais had the nerves to play havoc with them. “They were too weak to walk and had been reduced to skeletons, counting their days in this cruel world.”

One of them, Abdul Majid, 24 now, was wearing a urine bag due to some kidney problem, a sight that brought a deluge of tears in Abdul Bais eyes. “I kissed the bag in a sign of sheer helplessness and then his thin feet with bare bones.”

As the visiting brother turned attention to Abdul Basit, 26, another brother under detention, he found him reduced to a bunch of bones, whose left foot has become disabled. “His foot looked like a deadwood.”

“I hid from them the tragic news of Abdul Saboor’s killing and their own sufferings as we kept staring at each other. Helplessness was being pronounced through our eyes,” said Abdul Bais, who met them on January 31, an opportunity granted on the directives of the apex court that was moved after the death of Abdul Saboor, fourth in the row killed in six-month span.

For the remaining seven still surviving, the ISI has been directed to produce them today (Thursday) before the Supreme Court bench headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry.

After the court’s production order, the detainees have registered a better treatment being given to them, not knowing they are being prepared for appearance before the court. “We are receiving better treatment for sometimes,” Abdul Basit told his visiting brother.

There is only one pill for all ills, the detainee explained, no matter they feel headache, backache or suffer from other disease. Three families have been allowed to see their relatives under the ISI detention. When Abdul Bais met his brothers, kept in Lady Reading Hospital (Peshawar), he was escorted by two plain-clothed officials that he speculates was an intelligence officer accompanied by a low-ranking subordinate.

As he was taken to detained brothers, Abdul Bais saw them blind-folded and caps on their heads that were removed only during the course of meeting. “How is Saboor?,” was the first question Abdul Basit faced from the detainee brothers. “Hearing this was like being hit by a bombshell,” he later told The News. “I fought my tears back and feigned my ignorance.” The next emotionally-charged question shot at him was that whether the mother was alive or dead.

As they are kept and transported blindfolded, the detainees were unaware of their location, said Abdul Bais. They pleaded their innocence and started crying.“Ask him, tell our crime,” Abdul Basit said of the intelligence officer present on the occasion, addressing to his visiting brother. “None of our captors have ever told us about our crime,” he went on. “Instead we are told that the court had bailed us out of the allegations levelled relating to involvement in terrorism cases. We are told we have been proven innocent, yet not released.”

@Thenews

---------- Post added at 10:23 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:21 AM ----------

Hospital in a fix over detainees with critical injuries

Authorities at a public sector hospital here are perturbed over the manner in which missing persons are brought there by intelligence agencies in critical condition and with slim chances of their survival, an official at the hospital said.

The official at the Lady Reading Hospital, the biggest public sector hospital in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, said four people who were among the 11 prisoners who went missing from Rawalpindi’s Adiala jail were brought to the hospital in precarious condition and doctors there had no chance to save them.

The four detainees — Mohammad Aamir, Tehseenullah, Said Arab and Syed Abdul Saboor — died in mysterious circumstances at the hospital over the past few months.

The official said another four detainees presently undergoing treatment at the medico-legal ward of the hospital were also brought in a “bad shape”.

With the Supreme Court set to resume hearing on Thursday in the case of 11 prisoners who went missing from Adiala jail, personnel of an intelligence agency and police have been keeping an eye on the medico-legal ward, where the four detainees have been undergoing treatment.

The security sleuths have not been allowing any person, including family members, to meet the four detainees.

Four of the 11 detainees have died, another four have now been at the Lady Reading Hospital, whereas about the other three the counsel for intelligence agencies had informed the apex court that they were at an internment centre at Parachinar, Kurrum Agency.

The 11 prisoners were acquitted by an anti-terrorism court in Rawalpindi in different cases of terrorism. But they went missing mysteriously on May 28, 2010, after the Lahore High Court ordered their release.

Initially, the government continued to express ignorance about them, but in Dec 2010 counsel for intelligence agencies admitted that they were in their custody. He, however, claimed they were arrested from a conflict zone.

He had said the detainees would be tried by a court martial under the Army Act. However, despite the passage of over a year since that statement was made, they have not been tried so far. Four of them have died.

The official at the LRH told Dawn that these four detainees, two of whom are brothers of the dead Abdul Saboor, were suffering from multiple ailments and had they been referred to the hospital earlier, complications would not have arisen.

He confided to Dawn that one of the detainees was suffering from disease of urine retention, one had intestinal obstruction while another was suffering from hernia and needed to be operated upon immediately.

Two of them, he added, were constantly running high fever, he said. “All the four have been suffering from scabies,” the official said.

The four detainees had not been referred to LRH by any hospital. Instead, he said, they were brought by intelligence agencies.

The hospital had earlier communicated to the said agency not to bring prisoners at such a belated stage because in similar cases in the past the hospital had to take the blame for deaths.

Relatives of the two brothers, Abdul Majid and Abdul Basit, complained that except for a brief meeting on Jan 31, the authorities were not allowing anyone to visit them.

A policeman at the entrance of Plastic and Reconstruction Unit said he was under orders not to allow anyone to enter the premises except hospital workers.

UNDER WATCH: A number of intelligence men, in plain clothes, are keeping an eye on the said premises.

The other two detainees kept there have been identified as Dr Niaz Ahmed and Gul Roze.

During a hearing on Jan 30, a bench of the Supreme Court had directed the counsel for the Inter Services Intelligence and the Military Intelligence (MI) to produce the detainees on Feb 9.

@dawn

---------- Post added at 10:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:23 AM ----------

Wake up Pakistaniyo, before its too late... !!

How DARE you say anything against the army! Army wala's are TRUE muslims and saviours of Pakistan!! May ALLAH "reward" them for their deeds. Best Army in the world! Please give it more $$$ uncle sam, we are helping makind.

I almost cried after reading these posts... and I rekon the above would be the reply of our "army" lovers :( :sniper:
 
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Badmashi lagai hoi hai agency waloon nay ... CJ ko agar stupid memo gate type suo moto cases say fursat milay tu in ka kuch karain
 
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How DARE you say anything against the army! Army wala's are TRUE muslims and saviours of Pakistan!! May ALLAH "reward" them for their deeds. Best Army in the world! Please give it more $$$ uncle sam, we are helping makind.

I almost cried after reading these posts... and I rekon the above would be the reply of our "army" lovers :( :sniper:

^ its not about point scoring, but reproducing a crime report.

at the end of the day, I want institutions to work, not some might is right...

---------- Post added at 06:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:04 PM ----------

Badmashi lagai hoi hai agency waloon nay ... CJ ko agar stupid memo gate type suo moto cases say fursat milay tu in ka kuch karain

its in the court as well, I think today a report was to be submitted by MI with respect to missing persons...

however, it is true that CJ could have pulled strings, but he hasnot so far... not in a single instance so far...
 
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I am amazed that mods have not deleted your post. I am here for almost 11 months.My 2 posts and one thread have been deleted only.Amazingly all were related to Pak Army excesses in Baluchistan,
 
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Hi,

There are multiple issues being discussed over here----one being----a civilian was arrested by police and then millitary personale came and took him and kidnapped the arresting police officer as well.

This high handedness of the millitary needs to be stopped at all costs---in these cases. One of these days---it will happen---a police officer will not cow down to the millitary officer and will take him out---it is just a matter of time---that will create another crisis that is not needed.

Now the second discussion--the anti terrorist court released the criminals for so called lack of evidence ( either the judge was threatened by the al qaeda or he was a al qaeda lover ) the ISI picked them up again---so what is the big deal---why is the news not discussing the charges against those individuals---that is deceptive news making.

Even in the u s , india, britain and many a countries the word of the intel agy's against the terrorists is good enough to hold them indefinitely if the presented evidence is not sufficient----or if the case is not presented in a proper manner---the consequence of releasing these individuals far outweighs their rights to freedom than facing the consequences of later attacks and finding them to be the masterminds.

---------- Post added at 11:35 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:32 AM ----------

How DARE you say anything against the army! Army wala's are TRUE muslims and saviours of Pakistan!! May ALLAH "reward" them for their deeds. Best Army in the world! Please give it more $$$ uncle sam, we are helping makind.

I almost cried after reading these posts... and I rekon the above would be the reply of our "army" lovers :( :sniper:

Hi,

Why did you cry miss----you will have enough tears to shed when one of your family members is effected by a bomb blast arranged by these culprits.
 
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Hi,

Well---if the police officer had the ballz---he should have executed the millitary personale and officials right then and there and charged it as a terrorist strike---.

The police needs to take a stand once for all---any millitary man doing these things needs to be shot---right then and there---. Pak police have to snatch their dignity from pak millitary at all costs.

easy there Khan ge what are you talking about?
an infighting between state elements?
 
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i dont understand whats ur people motive nowdays by not missing a single chance to criticize the respectable institutes but our Intelligence agency dont pick anyone without evidence......
 
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I am amazed that mods have not deleted your post. I am here for almost 11 months.My 2 posts and one thread have been deleted only.Amazingly all were related to Pak Army excesses in Baluchistan,

They have their biases (humans too) but I think overall they do a wonderful job, dont think they victimize any particular member for his/her posts...
 
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Now the second discussion--the anti terrorist court released the criminals for so called lack of evidence ( either the judge was threatened by the al qaeda or he was a al qaeda lover ) the ISI picked them up again---so what is the big deal---why is the news not discussing the charges against those individuals---that is deceptive news making.

Let me give another scenario: judge was approached by the intelligence agency to let the alleged criminal go free, then they picked him up to equal the score with him for his alleged crimes.

okay- another Scenario-- Judge was approached by the intelligence agency to let the alleged criminal go free, then they picked him up for he was being their undercover man.

okay-- lets try with another scenario-- Judge was approached by a particular group in intelligence agency to let the alleged criminal go free, then they picked him up as he was Al-qaida/HT key boy working for some group inside intelligence agency..

okay-- lets try another Scenario-- Judge was approached by the intelligence agency to let the alleged criminal go free, then they picked him up as they wanted to use him in the bargain with the terrorist elements...

okay if not satisfied lets try another scenario-- Judge was approached by the intelligence agency to let the alleged criminal go free, then they picked him up to get information out of him..

tired but here you go with another scenario--- Judge was approached by the intelligence agency to let the alleged criminal go free, then they picked him up and pursued him for working for them as mole...

so please spare us from speculations...
 
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easy there Khan ge what are you talking about?
an infighting between state elements?

Hi,

The millitary must not infringe into domain held by the police---that is a no no----if there is to be any respect for ORDER in the society---then the millitary has to be subversive to the police force---. What right and authority does a millitary officer has over a police officer---we have made our millitary officers as sacred cows---they are not untouchables---.

A police officer is a law enforcement officer----his authority and powers must supercede those of any other personal in uniform---that is the standards of a civilized society.


Leader,

Okay---thank you for your post---.
 
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Hi,

Well---if the police officer had the ballz---he should have executed the millitary personale and officials right then and there and charged it as a terrorist strike---.

The police needs to take a stand once for all---any millitary man doing these things needs to be shot---right then and there---. Pak police have to snatch their dignity from pak millitary at all costs.


Hi,

Let us say something like this happening in the u s of a---what do you people think would happen----or leave u s alone---take india for example----. I very much doubt that a millitary officer would dare walk into a police station and do something like that.
 
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Latest: ISI-held prisoners at Parachinar internment center are being transported to Islamabad through road: ISI lawyer

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shouldnot the agency head by punished for illegal detention ??? or is it not a crime ?? shouldnt a separate case be filled to see where the guys in uniform are exceeding their limits?
 
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Weather is not fit for airlifting from Parachinar: ISI lawyer

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Transportation by road from Parachinar to Islamabad won't be possible within court time. ISI lawyer...

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Given the excuses presented, prisoners will be presented before court on Monday....

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well I hope they dont get any further time, or CJ may use danda to fix some nut heads !!

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case adjourned til Monday...
 
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