IHS Jane 360 Babur 3 cruise missile has a Range of 700 km

[BHarwana]

The Babur-3 is a sea-based variant of the Babur-2 ground-launched cruise missile, which was successfully tested in December 2016, according to ISPR. Also known as Haft 7, the missile is believed to have a maximum range of 700 km, according to IHS Jane's Weapons: Strategic.

http://www.janes.com/article/66793/...ear-capable-submarine-launched-cruise-missile


Retired Pakistani army officer, Lt. General Talat Masood told CNN this attempt by Pakistan to develop a genuine second-strike capability, is "only the beginning".

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/10/asia/pakistan-submarine-missile/

 

[Mrc]

450 km sounds very made up artificial range any ways

 

[BHarwana]

450 km sounds very made up artificial range any ways

International Military analysts are saying Pakistan is trying to hide the maximum range of the missile.

 

[somebozo]

There is always potential range and design range...for example Yakhont has a lot of range but the Brahmos variant is limited to 290Kms..there are several reason why weapon may be designed with longer range on the drawing board but produced with reduced to limited range in field..mostly to do with operational requirements....if you dont have a target beyond a given range..there is no point producing and maintaining a weapon for it..This saves valueable resources and raw materials especially rocket fuel is not cheap to come by...secondly rockets and missiles fuel and range is impacted by size and weight of payload..which is another key factor here...

 

[Mrc]

International Military analysts are saying Pakistan is trying to hide the maximum range of the missile.

By looks of things ... they were hiding the whole system and capability for atleast 5 years

There is always potential range and design range...for example Yakhont has a lot of range but the Brahmos variant is limited to 290Kms..there are several reason why weapon may be designed with longer range on the drawing board but produced with reduced to limited range in field..mostly to do with operational requirements....if you dont have a target beyond a given range..there is no point producing and maintaining a weapon for it..This saves valueable resources and raw materials especially rocket fuel is not cheap to come by...secondly rockets and missiles fuel and range is impacted by size and weight of payload..which is another key factor here...

So basically in non nuclear payload, it can hve a 700 km strike range .... which may b utilized with a different seeker against sea targets

 

[WaLeEdK2]

common practice. Nobody wants to reveal the actual capabilities. Good way to keep enemy guessing.

 

[BHarwana]

There is always potential range and design range...for example Yakhont has a lot of range but the Brahmos variant is limited to 290Kms..there are several reason why weapon may be designed with longer range on the drawing board but produced with reduced to limited range in field..mostly to do with operational requirements....if you dont have a target beyond a given range..there is no point producing and maintaining a weapon for it..This saves valueable resources and raw materials especially rocket fuel is not cheap to come by...secondly rockets and missiles fuel and range is impacted by size and weight of payload..which is another key factor here...

Cruise Missiles use Jet fuel and jet engines that is why the range has become an argument. They think Pakistan made a short range test to hide initial capability of the missile. As it is not only a threat to India but many countries around the world. If France supplies India with Military technology Pakistan can supply the missile to Frances adversaries or Israeli adversaries. This missile is a game changer and put Pakistan as an offensive military force position.

common practice. Nobody wants to reveal the actual capabilities. Good way to keep enemy guessing.

Retired Pakistani army officer, Lt. General Talat Masood told CNN this attempt by Pakistan to develop a genuine second-strike capability, is "only the beginning".

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/10/asia/pakistan-submarine-missile/

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I think the sentence (from IHS Jane's) was referring to the Babur GLCM as having 700 km.

 

[BHarwana]

I think the sentence (from IHS Jane's) was referring to the Babur GLCM as having 700 km.

CNN is also saying Babur 3 has a range of 700 km
Babur GLCM has a higher range than 700 km already disclosed.

 

[somebozo]

Cruise Missiles use Jet fuel and jet engines that is why the range has become an argument. They think Pakistan made a short range test to hide initial capability of the missile. As it is not only a threat to India but many countries around the world. If France supplies India with Military technology Pakistan can supply the missile to Frances adversaries or Israeli adversaries. This missile is a game changer and put Pakistan as an offensive military force position.

Cruise mode kicks in after the missile has been launched and attained the altitude..initial shoot and boost is by rocket..after missile attained the desired altitude it switches over to jet engine running on jet fuel...hence why you see that rocket smoke streak when Babur in launched but no smoke when it is cruising..

 

[BHarwana]

Cruise mode kicks in after the missile has been launched and attained the altitude..initial shoot and boost is by rocket..after missile attained the desired altitude it switches over to jet engine running on jet fuel...hence why you see that rocket smoke streak when Babur in launched but no smoke when it is cruising..

I know that but range is calculated in accordance to cruise mode.

 

[somebozo]

Thats how butt hurt our neighbors are

I know that but range is calculated in accordance to cruise mode.

But heavier the pay load..the more rocket you need to lift it off..given that the overall size is fixed constant..one has to make a balanced compromise between rocket motor, jet fuel storage..and payload size and weight...increase any one and the other two have to shrink..with rocket propulsion being the most critical part as i think every doubling of weight requires quadrupling of propulsion..

 

[GumNaam]

@ this col dhillon

 

[BHarwana]

But heavier the pay load..the more rocket you need to lift it off..given that the overall size is fixed constant..one has to make a balanced compromise between rocket motor, jet fuel storage..and payload size and weight...increase any one and the other two have to shrink..with rocket propulsion being the most critical part as i think every doubling of weight requires quadrupling of propulsion..

Pakistan already has nuclear war head delivery capable cruise missiles. The new things that were added to this missile were Under water propulsion and RADAR stealth design plus the Submarine torpedo tubes were also modified for the missiles. The test was done to the range of 450 km from point of fire to the target. Maximum range has become an argument as the missile was shown for 450 km range and it is being thought that Pakistan plans to market the missile for sales.

 

[Syed1.]

Lagta hai Babur seedha Col. Dhillon ke pichawaray mein ja kar laga tha