If you have to build an A-Team with special forces from 5 different countries besides your home coun

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

Admit it or not , Pak Special Forces are best in this region and Islamic world . They are battle hardened and highly professional. SSG is now included in the list of highly trained special forces like NAVY SEALS and SAS.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

A well thought out and articulated response, thank you for your comment.
I think my perceptions of what was on the ground and what was being sold to the public as well as to the branches of service were a bit more than just a 'discrepancy'. A genuine, purposeful intent to fool the members of the service/public with the reasoning for war needs a bit more of a descriptive word than 'discrepancy'. With all due respect I would chose to use a less politically correct term.

I would have to agree that the intentions of anyone serving in uniform might be that of one that they were sold while enlisting. "Bringing freedoms and democracy to those who are oppressed."

Could be a reason for the last war having the highest suicide rate of any armed conflict for returning vets. Maybe their consciousness was able to differentiate the lies they were told versus seeing first hand what was actually being done on the ground?

We have the power to educate those who would be fooled again.

Welcome to the forum, dear.

 

[NKVD]

Not Including Indian SF Is Misinformation .Indian Special Based Its Self On On Model Of US SF's there Diversity of Dedicated SOP Forces in Equal to that of US SF

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

Not Including Indian SF Is Misinformation .Indian Special Based Its Self On On Model Of US SF's there Diversity of Dedicated SOP Forces in Equal to that of US SF

Indian Special forces are not combat hardened . They may have good training and equipment .

 

[NKVD]

="Syed Asif Bukhari, post: 8289042, member: 175055"]Indian Special forces are not combat hardened . They may have good training and equipment .

Last Year Myanmar OP Remember It.Friend Read About Indian SF History Before Boasting Yourself On Defense Forum's
Myth you Created Around your SSG Always Busted When you Faced A real Combat Against Our Forces May It,Siachin or Elsewhere

See the Global Op Indian SF Participated in Past

 

[RAMPAGE]

Proud on Pak Army

Bas kar bhai!

 

[Manindra]

Indian Special forces are not combat hardened . They may have good training and equipment .

Combat hardened means what.
What combat record SSG have in all previous Indo-Pak wars ?
And for Coin operation, Indian SFs don't need any certificate from anyone.
Only Garuds of IAF are youngest & nearly no experience (except training & exercises) in all Indian Special Forces.

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

Last Year Myanmar OP Remember It.Friend Read About Indian SF History Before Boasting Yourself On Defense Forum's
Myth you Created Around your SSG Always Busted When you Faced A real Combat Against Our Forces May It,Siachin or Elsewhere

See the Global Op Indian SF Participated in Past

First of all , do you know the meaning of combat and battle hardened ? Can you tell me objectives of Myanmar operation? By the way , efficiency of a SF can not be determined by one vague operation . Well , whole world knows the performance of Indian SF which took five days to clear a air base .

Combat hardened means what.
What combat record SSG have in all previous Indo-Pak wars ?
And for Coin operation, Indian SFs don't need any certificate from anyone.
Only Garuds of IAF are youngest & nearly no experience (except training & exercises) in all Indian Special Forces.

Indians have short term memory . Don't even remember recently conducted Pathankot operation .

 

[Manindra]

First of all , do you know the meaning of combat and battle hardened ? Can you tell me objectives of Myanmar operation? By the way , efficiency of a SF can not be determined by one vague operation . Well , whole world knows the performance of Indian SF which took five days to clear a air base .

Yes , we should learned from Operation PNS Mehran & PAC Kamra.
Could you provide combat record of SSG for dummy like us ?

First of all , do you know the meaning of combat and battle hardened ? Can you tell me objectives of Myanmar operation? By the way , efficiency of a SF can not be determined by one vague operation . Well , whole world knows the performance of Indian SF which took five days to clear a air base .


Indians have short term memory . Don't even remember recently conducted Pathankot operation .

Oh yes , How can I forgot loss of P-3 Orion & Saab AWE&CS worth billions.

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

Yes , we should learned from Operation PNS Mehran & PAC Kamra.
Could you provide combat record of SSG for dummy like us ?

• SSG troops arrested Sheikh Mujibur Rahman on the night of 25 March 1971 during Operation Searchlight. Upon his arrest, they sent a message to Dhaka Cantonment headquarters saying, "Big bird in the cage".]][citation needed]

• The SSG was active in Afghanistan in the 1980s during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Also believed to have fought Soviet special forces in direct combat, SSG fought in local dresses, dressed up as Jihadi conducting covert and direct action missions.

• Again, when the balance of power shifted, it lead some covert operations against the very Afghan government (Taliban) that Pakistan (along with the US, Saudi Arabia and UAE) had once aided, this time as part of the allied forces in operation Enduring Freedom. The SSG has aided the capture of many senior Al Qaeda leaders, most notably Abu Zubaida and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed

• The SSG has worked with the US CIA's Special Activities Division and has been active inside the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) targeting al-Qaeda operatives for Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) Predator strikes.[19] These strikes have led to what has been described as highly successful counter-terrorism operations.[20][21]

• The SSG has also conducted operations on the Siachen Glacier against Indian positions at -30 temperatures on Ice covered Peaks.[citation needed]

• In addition, some covert operations in United Nations military missions in Bosnia and Herzegovina[citation needed], Somalia[citation needed] and Sierra Leone[citation needed] have also been executed by SSG operators.[citation needed]

• In Operation Black Thunderstorm, SSG troops abseiled from helicopters into Daggar, a town north-west of Islamabad, killing up to 50 militants.[citation needed]

• SSG were airdropped during Swat operation where they successfully took over Taliban hideouts at night, suffering some casualties against Killing dozens of Taliban[citation needed].

• SSG have been used in South Waziristan Operation as well in various missions to take key positions and Peaks in 2009[citation needed].

• SSG were used extensively in various missions as clearance force in close quarter combat scenarios in Operation Zarb-e-Azb[citation needed]

Counter terrorism operations[edit]

• In September 1986, Pan Am Flight 73 was hijacked by terrorists while it was refueling in Karachi. As negotiations stalled and the terrorists started to kill passengers, SSG stormed the plane. The SSG killed one hijacker and captured the rest.[citation needed]
• In February 1994, Afghan hijackers took over a school bus with 74 children and 8 teachers. They drove to the Afghan mission in Islamabad where they released 57 students but kept 16 boys and the teachers. The negotiations led nowhere and it was decided to free the hostages by force. The Pakistani authorities had somehow managed to inform the children of the impending raid.[22] The SSG commandos used a secondary explosion as a distraction and entered the room at the Afghan embassy where the hostages were being held, killing the three hijackers.[citation needed] The operation lasted about 20 seconds.[23]
• In May 1998, three members of the Baloch terrorists took over a PIA Fokker plane because they were angry at the government for conducting nuclear tests in Balochistan. As negotiations dragged, SSG commandos rushed the plane and apprehended all 3 hijackers. None of the passengers were harmed during the assault.[citation needed]
• In July 2007, the SSG was the main assault force which re-took the Lal Masjid from extremists. The SSG suffered 11 killed and 33 wounded.[24] On September 13, 2007, a suicide bomber killed at least 20 personnel of the SSG and injured dozens others at the officers mess of the sensitive cantonment area of Tarbela-Ghazi.[25] The blast has reported to have been a vendetta attack by the Islamic fundamentalists who were attacked in the Red Masjid siege in July.[26] According to reliable sources a civilian wearing a white cap with a long beard walked with his bicycle towards the SSG mess and blew himself up there.[27]
• On 30 March 2009, SSG successfully participated in thwarting the 2009 Lahore police academy attacks.[28][29]
• On 10 October 2009, militants attacked the Pakistan Military Headquarters, taking hostage 42 civil and military officials. SSG commandos rescued 39 hostages and killed 9 militants, capturing one. The militants have been linked to Ilyas Kashmiri being a leading Al Qaeda commander operating alongside Tehrik-e-Taliban. A total of six SSG commandos and three hostages were killed in the operation. As reported by ISPR (Inter Services Public Relations) [2]. The operation was undertaken by SSG's Counter Terrorism Force.[30] Three more SSG commandos, injured during the operation, died in the hospital on October 12.[31]
• On 16 December 2014, SSG Commandos from the Zarrar Company were tasked with clearing an Army Public School which was raided by seven [32] Tahreek-e-Taliban (TTP) Terrorists in Peshawar. All Terrorists were eliminated and the school was cleared. Around 149 people, mostly Students aged between 12-16 were killed by the Terrorists. The school had a strength of about 1000, and due to SSG timely arrival, they were able to rescue about 840 people. Two SSG commandos were killed and 3 were injured.[citation needed][33]

Yes , we should learned from Operation PNS Mehran & PAC Kamra.
Could you provide combat record of SSG for dummy like us ?


Oh yes , How can I forgot loss of P-3 Orion & Saab AWE&CS worth billions.

SSG was not involved in Mehran Base Operation ,. It was conducted by Naval forces . Only for you dear , I have provided combat record of SSG. can you tell m something about combat record of your SF ?

 

[NKVD]

• SSG troops arrested Sheikh Mujibur Rahman on the night of 25 March 1971 during Operation Searchlight. Upon his arrest, they sent a message to Dhaka Cantonment headquarters saying, "Big bird in the cage".]][citation needed]

• The SSG was active in Afghanistan in the 1980s during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Also believed to have fought Soviet special forces in direct combat, SSG fought in local dresses, dressed up as Jihadi conducting covert and direct action missions.

• Again, when the balance of power shifted, it lead some covert operations against the very Afghan government (Taliban) that Pakistan (along with the US, Saudi Arabia and UAE) had once aided, this time as part of the allied forces in operation Enduring Freedom. The SSG has aided the capture of many senior Al Qaeda leaders, most notably Abu Zubaida and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed

• The SSG has worked with the US CIA's Special Activities Division and has been active inside the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) targeting al-Qaeda operatives for Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) Predator strikes.[19] These strikes have led to what has been described as highly successful counter-terrorism operations.[20][21]

• The SSG has also conducted operations on the Siachen Glacier against Indian positions at -30 temperatures on Ice covered Peaks.[citation needed]

• In addition, some covert operations in United Nations military missions in Bosnia and Herzegovina[citation needed], Somalia[citation needed] and Sierra Leone[citation needed] have also been executed by SSG operators.[citation needed]

• In Operation Black Thunderstorm, SSG troops abseiled from helicopters into Daggar, a town north-west of Islamabad, killing up to 50 militants.[citation needed]

• SSG were airdropped during Swat operation where they successfully took over Taliban hideouts at night, suffering some casualties against Killing dozens of Taliban[citation needed].

• SSG have been used in South Waziristan Operation as well in various missions to take key positions and Peaks in 2009[citation needed].

• SSG were used extensively in various missions as clearance force in close quarter combat scenarios in Operation Zarb-e-Azb[citation needed]

Counter terrorism operations[edit]

• In September 1986, Pan Am Flight 73 was hijacked by terrorists while it was refueling in Karachi. As negotiations stalled and the terrorists started to kill passengers, SSG stormed the plane. The SSG killed one hijacker and captured the rest.[citation needed]
• In February 1994, Afghan hijackers took over a school bus with 74 children and 8 teachers. They drove to the Afghan mission in Islamabad where they released 57 students but kept 16 boys and the teachers. The negotiations led nowhere and it was decided to free the hostages by force. The Pakistani authorities had somehow managed to inform the children of the impending raid.[22] The SSG commandos used a secondary explosion as a distraction and entered the room at the Afghan embassy where the hostages were being held, killing the three hijackers.[citation needed] The operation lasted about 20 seconds.[23]
• In May 1998, three members of the Baloch terrorists took over a PIA Fokker plane because they were angry at the government for conducting nuclear tests in Balochistan. As negotiations dragged, SSG commandos rushed the plane and apprehended all 3 hijackers. None of the passengers were harmed during the assault.[citation needed]
• In July 2007, the SSG was the main assault force which re-took the Lal Masjid from extremists. The SSG suffered 11 killed and 33 wounded.[24] On September 13, 2007, a suicide bomber killed at least 20 personnel of the SSG and injured dozens others at the officers mess of the sensitive cantonment area of Tarbela-Ghazi.[25] The blast has reported to have been a vendetta attack by the Islamic fundamentalists who were attacked in the Red Masjid siege in July.[26] According to reliable sources a civilian wearing a white cap with a long beard walked with his bicycle towards the SSG mess and blew himself up there.[27]
• On 30 March 2009, SSG successfully participated in thwarting the 2009 Lahore police academy attacks.[28][29]
• On 10 October 2009, militants attacked the Pakistan Military Headquarters, taking hostage 42 civil and military officials. SSG commandos rescued 39 hostages and killed 9 militants, capturing one. The militants have been linked to Ilyas Kashmiri being a leading Al Qaeda commander operating alongside Tehrik-e-Taliban. A total of six SSG commandos and three hostages were killed in the operation. As reported by ISPR (Inter Services Public Relations) [2]. The operation was undertaken by SSG's Counter Terrorism Force.[30] Three more SSG commandos, injured during the operation, died in the hospital on October 12.[31]
• On 16 December 2014, SSG Commandos from the Zarrar Company were tasked with clearing an Army Public School which was raided by seven [32] Tahreek-e-Taliban (TTP) Terrorists in Peshawar. All Terrorists were eliminated and the school was cleared. Around 149 people, mostly Students aged between 12-16 were killed by the Terrorists. The school had a strength of about 1000, and due to SSG timely arrival, they were able to rescue about 840 people. Two SSG commandos were killed and 3 were injured.[citation needed][33]

SSG was not involved in Mehran Base Operation ,. It was conducted by Naval forces . Only for you dear , I have provided combat record of SSG. can you tell m something about combat record of your SF ?

Bother to go through Operational record of of Indian SF
you are fan boy and over Fanatic

Please Quote Me one Successful Op Against Indian Forces of Super SSG in Any war

as For Killing Terrorist We Kill Such Militants Daily in Kashmir

Read about them
Parachute Regiment (Para SF) of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parachute_Regiment_(India)

 

[Manindra]

• SSG troops arrested Sheikh Mujibur Rahman on the night of 25 March 1971 during Operation Searchlight. Upon his arrest, they sent a message to Dhaka Cantonment headquarters saying, "Big bird in the cage".]][citation needed]

What an achievement. I think we should start calling our Police force as SF because they arrest people everyday.

• The SSG was active in Afghanistan in the 1980s during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Also believed to have fought Soviet special forces in direct combat, SSG fought in local dresses, dressed up as Jihadi conducting covert and direct action missions.

Belived to

• Again, when the balance of power shifted, it lead some covert operations against the very Afghan government (Taliban) that Pakistan (along with the US, Saudi Arabia and UAE) had once aided, this time as part of the allied forces in operation Enduring Freedom. The SSG has aided the capture of many senior Al Qaeda leaders, most notably Abu Zubaida and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed

But where is fighting shighting, as here major credit goes to ISI

• The SSG has worked with the US CIA's Special Activities Division and has been active inside the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) targeting al-Qaeda operatives for Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) Predator strikes.[19] These strikes have led to what has been described as highly successful counter-terrorism operations.[20][21]

Fighting in his own country with the aid of CIA drones.

• The SSG has also conducted operations on the Siachen Glacier against Indian positions at -30 temperatures on Ice covered Peaks.[citation needed]

And got beaten by regulars.

• In addition, some covert operations in United Nations military missions in Bosnia and Herzegovina[citation needed], Somalia[citation needed] and Sierra Leone[citation needed] have also been executed by SSG operators.[citation needed]

Even the best SF can't work effectively in UN operation as you have to fight with you bot hand tied.

• In Operation Black Thunderstorm, SSG troops abseiled from helicopters into Daggar, a town north-west of Islamabad, killing up to 50 militants.[citation needed]

• SSG were airdropped during Swat operation where they successfully took over Taliban hideouts at night, suffering some casualties against Killing dozens of Taliban[citation needed].

• SSG have been used in South Waziristan Operation as well in various missions to take key positions and Peaks in 2009[citation needed].

• SSG were used extensively in various missions as clearance force in close quarter combat scenarios in Operation Zarb-e-Azb[citation needed]

All are CT operations , so which Indian SF do regularly but without aid of gunship, artillery, fighter jets, MBRLS
Counter terrorism operations[edit]

• In September 1986, Pan Am Flight 73 was hijacked by terrorists while it was refueling in Karachi. As negotiations stalled and the terrorists started to kill passengers, SSG stormed the plane. The SSG killed one hijacker and captured the rest.[citation needed]

• In February 1994, Afghan hijackers took over a school bus with 74 children and 8 teachers. They drove to the Afghan mission in Islamabad where they released 57 students but kept 16 boys and the teachers. The negotiations led nowhere and it was decided to free the hostages by force. The Pakistani authorities had somehow managed to inform the children of the impending raid.[22] The SSG commandos used a secondary explosion as a distraction and entered the room at the Afghan embassy where the hostages were being held, killing the three hijackers.[citation needed] The operation lasted about 20 seconds.[23]
• In May 1998, three members of the Baloch terrorists took over a PIA Fokker plane because they were angry at the government for conducting nuclear tests in Balochistan. As negotiations dragged, SSG commandos rushed the plane and apprehended all 3 hijackers. None of the passengers were harmed during the assault.[citation needed]
• In July 2007, the SSG was the main assault force which re-took the Lal Masjid from extremists. The SSG suffered 11 killed and 33 wounded.[24] On September 13, 2007, a suicide bomber killed at least 20 personnel of the SSG and injured dozens others at the officers mess of the sensitive cantonment area of Tarbela-Ghazi.[25] The blast has reported to have been a vendetta attack by the Islamic fundamentalists who were attacked in the Red Masjid siege in July.[26] According to reliable sources a civilian wearing a white cap with a long beard walked with his bicycle towards the SSG mess and blew himself up there.[27]
• On 30 March 2009, SSG successfully participated in thwarting the 2009 Lahore police academy attacks.[28][29]
• On 10 October 2009, militants attacked the Pakistan Military Headquarters, taking hostage 42 civil and military officials. SSG commandos rescued 39 hostages and killed 9 militants, capturing one. The militants have been linked to Ilyas Kashmiri being a leading Al Qaeda commander operating alongside Tehrik-e-Taliban. A total of six SSG commandos and three hostages were killed in the operation. As reported by ISPR (Inter Services Public Relations) [2]. The operation was undertaken by SSG's Counter Terrorism Force.[30] Three more SSG commandos, injured during the operation, died in the hospital on October 12.[31]
• On 16 December 2014, SSG Commandos from the Zarrar Company were tasked with clearing an Army Public School which was raided by seven [32] Tahreek-e-Taliban (TTP) Terrorists in Peshawar. All Terrorists were eliminated and the school was cleared. Around 149 people, mostly Students aged between 12-16 were killed by the Terrorists. The school had a strength of about 1000, and due to SSG timely arrival, they were able to rescue about 840 people. Two SSG commandos were killed and 3 were injured.[citation needed][33]
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A wonderful operation. Respect
So, where there there record is extra ordinary ?

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SSG was not involved in Mehran Base Operation ,. It was conducted by Naval forces . Only for you dear , I have provided combat record of SSG. can you tell m something about combat record of your SF ?

SSG(N) is naval wing of SSG, Still not involved ?

They involved in Kamra Operation or not ?

 

[NKVD]

What an achievement. I think we should start calling our Police force as SF because they arrest people everyday.
Belived to
But where is fighting shighting, as here major credit goes to ISI
Fighting in his own country with the aid of CIA drones.
And got beaten by regulars.
Even the best SF can't work effectively in UN operation as you have to fight with you bot hand tied.


All are CT operations , so which Indian SF do regularly but without aid of gunship, artillery, fighter jets, MBRLS
Counter terrorism operations[edit]
A wonderful operation. Respect
So, where there there record is extra ordinary ?



SSG(N) is naval wing of SSG, Still not involved ?

They involved in Kamra Operation or not ?

Such Guys are Crack Pot And are In Majority In PDF Usually they Have No Ability to read,Study,Analyze the Facts and base there Arguments on that

 

[Syed Asif Bukhari]

What an achievement. I think we should start calling our Police force as SF because they arrest people everyday.
Belived to
But where is fighting shighting, as here major credit goes to ISI
Fighting in his own country with the aid of CIA drones.
And got beaten by regulars.
Even the best SF can't work effectively in UN operation as you have to fight with you bot hand tied.


All are CT operations , so which Indian SF do regularly but without aid of gunship, artillery, fighter jets, MBRLS
Counter terrorism operations[edit]
A wonderful operation. Respect
So, where there there record is extra ordinary ?



SSG(N) is naval wing of SSG, Still not involved ?

They involved in Kamra Operation or not ?

OK ,SSG is supported by Artillery , Gunships , Drones and Fighter Jets. So , Indians don't have artillery , gunships or fighters . Even Indian SF use tanks directly when a cant area was attacked in Kashmir . So , these are standards of your SF . 2nd , SSGN is branch of Navy . it has nothing to do with SSG of army . by the way , can you provide me combat record of your SF?

Bother to go through Operational record of of Indian SF
you are fan boy and over Fanatic

Please Quote Me one Successful Op Against Indian Forces of Super SSG in Any war

as For Killing Terrorist We Kill Such Militants Daily in Kashmir

Read about them
Parachute Regiment (Para SF)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parachute_Regiment_(India)

OK I am fan boy . by the way , what are u doing here in PDF ? Admit it or not Pak SF are on par Indian SF . I am not saying this . This article is written by a Former US special forces operative.

Such Guys are Crack Pot And are In Majority In PDF Usually they Have No Ability to read,Study,Analyze the Facts and base there Arguments on that

you are crossing your limits . I can report about you . I provide these facts from Wikipedia .you are speechless . only writing vague statements . give me authentic data or get out of here.

 

[NKVD]

OK I am fan boy . by the way , what are u doing here in PDF ? Admit it or not Pak SF are on par Indian SF . I am not saying this . This article is written by a Former US special forces operative.

I Just Ask you one OP your Superior SSG Against in Any War against India

Secondly also State one One Global Op of your SSG beyond Boundaries of Nation

Then I will Put My arguments How Indian SF and SF trained By Us Made Change in outcume of war Lets See Make It Pure Vs Thread

you are crossing your limits . I can report about you . I provide these facts from Wikipedia .you are speechless . only writing vague statements . give me authentic data or get out of here.

Go through What I Posted
Para SF in Comparison done Such Variety Of Operations in wars Even Beyond our National Terroritory

Let Me give you Glimpse

Operation Khukri was a rescue mission conducted by the 2 PARA (SF) in Sierra Leone, June 2000. About 90 operators commanded by Major (now Lt. Col.) Harinder Sood were airlifted from New Delhi to spearhead the mission to rescue 223 men of the 5/8 Gorkha Rifles who were surrounded and held captive by the Revolutionary United Front (RUF) rebels for over 75 days, just 90 Para (SF) forced 2000-5000 members of the Revolutionary United Front (RUF) divided into 5 battalions to surrender that ultimately led to the liberation of Freetown

2nd Para SF (British Chinook) - Sierra Leone, Op Khukri 2000

Also Read
"1993 United Nations Operation in Somalia. Four teams of MARCOS were deployed off Mogadishu in support of the Indian contingent in Somalia. The team provided Maritime Special Ops support to the Naval Task Force."
http://www.indiandefencereview.com/spotlights/navys-marine-commandos/