If we had $$, which fighter jets would PAF buy?

[war&peace]

JF 17 in many ways is no match to Rafale but in good numbers still will be able to confront Rafale and it will not be totally one way street. Odds are stacked against the JF and no one can deny it but still ants can bring down an elephant. Am sure Rafale is not going to enter in our air space unchallenged. During world war 2 how Russians over whelmed Germans superior tanks with cheap mass produced of their own.
Secondly its ours and no one is stopping us to have them in good numbers and some members on this forum are still hoping of getting more F 16's forgetting its a sanctions prone aircraft and no one can be 100% sure its not carrying kill switches. We can speculate as much as we like LHM or US won't do that but what if they did as India is deeply entrenched in US establishment like octopus.
Please don't try to undermine JF its PAF choice to go the for the light weight aircraft for their own reasons while JF project have been successful beyond expectations. Successive Governments have failed to grasp the fact that we needed the medium category planes as well and Rafale was on the cards for the IAF for a long time we just didn't do any thing about it.
How about accepting the Chinese offer of J-10C fuselage production and importing the bells and whistles from different sources. I very much doubt that F16V will come to Pakistan and Russian planes are a very long way off if they ever materialise, as for Russia Indian market is much more lucrative. Swedes are not entertaining the idea of selling to us their fighter and European fighter is like remortgaging our economy. So our good old friend seems to be the our only best bet or we go for JF 4 on a fast track somehow.

Please click the link in my post and read my thoughts on that thread and only then you can discuss it with me until then ...

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Aggressive strategy for what? Why do we want to expose our airmen to risk when strike missions can be performed with a very capable set of stand-off attack weapons in PAF's inventory?

The name of the game is "stand-off attack". No need for ToT with added risk of losses to aircraft and aircrews.

PAF is striving for and inshallah will achieve a very good balance of air assets in the coming decade. We are replacing our older aircraft at a very good rate with a very decent and affordable MR platform.

I'd rather have the PAF invest heavily in increasing the range of ALCMs in service and also the stand-off precision munitions. These will allow PAF to hit targets deep inside the adversary as the need for the next "retort" comes up. As for the interdiction roles, BlkIII will inshallah be a good investment and in parallel, PAF should talk to the Americans about procuring AIM-120C7/Ds possibly alongside the BVR weapons being considered for BlkIII.

Everything on the horizon tells us the best thing Pakistan can do is to invest in its own indigenous platforms in collaboration with China and Turkey.

Yes. This! Can't go toe to toe with such an enemy.

Shore up the defences and counter strike tactics. Then let the barbarians come and impale themselves against the walls of the ramparts. Put a high price on our airmen and soldiers' lives. Hindustan must lose 10 for every 1 it dares to even dream of attacking.

Indeed, the events of 27th Feb came to pass because of a clever trap laid by Pakistan for a numerically superior but overzealous and arrogant enemy. We fought them on our terms.

 

[mingle]

If I have Million $$$$ famous song by barenaked ladies

 

[badsha001]

Baatien carooron ki, dukaan pakoron ki

Bhai, ab to pakoroen wale bhi carore kama rahe hain...

 

[Thorough Pro]

invest in Thunder and make it more capable.

Plus which country would have refused to sell their jets to Pakistan despite of having the money?

 

[Pyara9]

Plus which country would have refused to sell their jets to Pakistan despite of having the money?

We are going to get J-31 as soon as it's ready. Money or not that's what we are getting.. it's a tic tok India buys a weapon system we buy a counter.. simple as that.. That tic tok cycle has been going on for the past 70 years and will continue.. nothing to worry about

 

[Hassannn85]

Gripen NG along with Globaleye would be best choice for PAF next gen fighter. that is if pak had money and yes from uncle sam which is not gonna happen so its just a dream.

Global eye is overkill. Why not just buy the avionics package from Saab for block 3?

Btw if we must buy 3 squadrons of a new aircraft it should be EFTs I. e. assuming we can't get vipers from US which seems highly unlikely.

Ideally, invest in Project Azm putting it on fastrack.

 

[Trango Towers]

Why does everyone say jf17 is no match for Rafael?

Where are you all getting this. I just see a sweeping statement and gora worship slave mentality

JF 17 in many ways is no match to Rafale but in good numbers still will be able to confront Rafale and it will not be totally one way street. Odds are stacked against the JF and no one can deny it but still ants can bring down an elephant. Am sure Rafale is not going to enter in our air space unchallenged. During world war 2 how Russians over whelmed Germans superior tanks with cheap mass produced of their own.
Secondly its ours and no one is stopping us to have them in good numbers and some members on this forum are still hoping of getting more F 16's forgetting its a sanctions prone aircraft and no one can be 100% sure its not carrying kill switches. We can speculate as much as we like LHM or US won't do that but what if they did as India is deeply entrenched in US establishment like octopus.
Please don't try to undermine JF its PAF choice to go the for the light weight aircraft for their own reasons while JF project have been successful beyond expectations. Successive Governments have failed to grasp the fact that we needed the medium category planes as well and Rafale was on the cards for the IAF for a long time we just didn't do any thing about it.
How about accepting the Chinese offer of J-10C fuselage production and importing the bells and whistles from different sources. I very much doubt that F16V will come to Pakistan and Russian planes are a very long way off if they ever materialise, as for Russia Indian market is much more lucrative. Swedes are not entertaining the idea of selling to us their fighter and European fighter is like remortgaging our economy. So our good old friend seems to be the our only best bet or we go for JF 4 on a fast track somehow.

 

[jupiter2007]

With the trade war between China and USA, we should be asking China to move some industries to Pakistan. Long term strategy should include investment in lucrative businesses and right industries.

 

[newb3e]

if i had money i will look to the future and take a train to ganga desh to HAL hq and order 500 tejas!thats the only jet that can secure our future!

 

[Trailer23]

Great, a 100 messages in 15 Years. We outta expect a reply from this member in a couple of years.

 

[Mav3rick]

Plus which country would have refused to sell their jets to Pakistan despite of having the money?

If we had $$ to spare on top of the line Jets and all countries were willing to sell to us, we would have bought more F-16 Block-72+ and F-35's.

If we had $$ to spare on top of the line Jets and the US was unwilling to sell to us, we would have bought RAFALE before IAF did, alternatively we would have bought a combination of Gripen and Typhoon or maybe even SU-35's.

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Agreed. In the near-term, focus should be laid on acquiring longer-ranged SOWs and, in turn, equipping the JF-17 with them (including the Ra'ad/Ra'ad II and H2/H4). In the long-run, I suspect the PAF will look at using drones to carry deep strike roles, especially in high-risk environments.

What's interesting is that both the Russian Su-57 and Chinese J-20 were followed by stealthy attack drone programs. If the PAF is investing so much in a high-end FGFA, it can re-use a lot of the same technology (engine, composites, flight control system, electronics, etc) on an attack drone.

I think a reason why the PAF set the bar high with Project Azm is that it wants to create as much room as possible to do more with what it has. So, that's where the idea of an attack drone comes in, but also other possibilities. The current ASR for Project Azm is a twin engine fighter with supercruising. In theory, the PN can factor itself into the equation now and make a strong case for its own maritime fighter (heck, fund a carrierborne study if it wants).

Enduring through a drought is tough, but we do have asymmetrical options we can invest in lieu of new off-the-shelf fighters, e.g., an Iskander-like ballistic missile, longer ranged cruise missiles, upping the ASR specifications of future JF-17 blocks, and/or even add a HiMADS air defence element.

Is there any chance of PAF buying SOM from Turkey?

 

[fitpOsitive]

Jab paisa nahi hai tou ye sab sochne ka kya faida? Better think the best we can do with what we have.

Takeh paisy kamain.

 

[loanranger]

PAF should talk to the Americans about procuring AIM-120C7/Ds possibly alongside the BVR weapons being considered for BlkIII.

We need new AIM series missiles with greater range as indians are getting meteor with their Rafales. The meteor has a max range of 150 km and a NEZ of 60km. Our f16s currently have C5 version which has max range of 100 km. JF-17 Blk3 can do without AMRAAMS as Pl 15 is there which is comparable to meteor. The real worry is The F16s. If we are going to have more BVR shootouts they are going to be handicapped once rafales start getting locks.