If we fail to get majority, will sit in opposition, says Imran

[VCheng]

@Batman. I never made a comparison but gave an example of a flawed setup. Imran realizes that and has a policy in place to stay in opposition , if the people don't give him the mandate. PTI govt or opposition , both would be fruitful to Pakistani political culture only if IK keeps his promises.

Thanks for your regards:

IK is but one man; even if he comes to power, which is unlikely to being with with, he simply does not, and likely will not, have the machinery needed to bring his tall promises to fruition. Indeed, he will face overt and covert opposition and sabotage from strongly vested interests that have only grown more powerful over the last few decades.

 

[batmannow]

@Batman. I never made a comparison but gave an example of a flawed setup. Imran realizes that and has a policy in place to stay in opposition , if the people don't give him the mandate. PTI govt or opposition , both would be fruitful to Pakistani political culture only if IK keeps his promises.

Thanks for your regards:

Thanks for the reply!
So that means, hung parliment, hung opposition, hung jamhoriat?
Crouption will prevail, further more, uncertainty at peak, with imran or without imran, with no major impact , situation going to become worse than now, another election? & another crises? oky friend .
I like imran but I won't accept , this jamhoriat.
I will keep opposing this system of doom, like a drak knight! & that,s the destny is!

IK is but one man; even if he comes to power, which is unlikely to being with with, he simply does not, and likely will not, have the machinery needed to bring his tall promises to fruition. Indeed, he will face overt and covert opposition and sabotage from strongly vested interests that have only grown more powerful over the last few decades.

That was my whole point, dear genrl!
Why to waste so much money & time, innocent lives, if a common poor pakistani nothing to get?

 

[xyxmt]

PTI is probably popular than all other parties combined... I don't see how he won't win...

you have to learn a lot in Politics, there is politics of rallies then there is a politics of vote. come election day when compaigns are in full swing then the real politician comes out, i dont know if Imran have that in him, I for one am turned off by his speeches there is no substance in it, and I was the one who started compaigning for him long time ago when he only drew 15 people in this gatherings.

 

[Kompromat]

@Batman. Im with you , tell me your solution ?

I for one time would give a revenge vote to IK and see if he keeps his promises.

 

[Leader]

IK is but one man; even if he comes to power, which is unlikely to being with with, he simply does not, and likely will not, have the machinery needed to bring his tall promises to fruition. Indeed, he will face overt and covert opposition and sabotage from strongly vested interests that have only grown more powerful over the last few decades.

Jinnah was not a one man, bhutto was not a one man, Mahatir was not a one man, Eurdogan is not a one man, Khemini was not a one man, Castro was not alone, nor is Imran Khan !!

and his claims are realistic, we should not have unrealistic expectations that he will turn over the fate of Pakistan over a night-

 

[SamranAli]

so, what does it mean?
i am not, running any political party, mate?
i am , not even voting for anyone , in elections, why i should get jealous, plz make some sense, if you have!
i have started to like imran, but i have eyes & ears, & a brain too!

He said because reporter asked.
Thanks that you are not voting anyone thats real change.

 

[keeninterest]

My sense is, Imran will be the next PM of Pakistan irrespective of PTI winning or not winning a wholesome majority.

What Imran has said, which got my attention and I quote in parts:

Moreover, he said that he would not make alliance with any party that was sitting in the assemblies

He will not form an alliance with any party which is a part of the current assembly, which means no truck with PPP, PPP(S), PML(N/F/Q), MQM, ANP, JuI, NPP, BNP(A), more (?) post the elections.

But, what if post the elections there is a spilt in PPP and/or in PML (N) and/or PML (Q) and/or more such parties and the dissident MNAs decide to join the PTI on their own? PTI, like this will get the desired majority.

Something more important which needn’t be overlooked under the glossy headline, and I quote:

negotiations are in process with other parties.

Which means there is no opposition to the concept of coalition politics per se, which further means the PTI is in touch with a few parties, possibly like APML, nationalist parties in Baluchistan and Sindh, and more such parties which are not represented in the Pakistan national assembly.

Also from the above quote, the MNAs who split could form new parties and join the alliance led by the PTI, so like what has happened so far, where “winnable” candidates have been allowed in, post the elections the candidates who have won will be allowed in.

Argument in favor will be the same, either no past history of corruption or give them a new chance.

Over all from the picture presented, it looks certain that no one party in Pakistan will win a majority.

Just in case IK is not in favor of coalition politics, he needs to have a rethink, and I will sight 2 examples here:

Congress took good decade and a half to get the concept of coalition politics, and till they were not ready to adjust, they allowed the space for the BJP to grow and then the BJP under the NDA formed 2 central governments back to back, but once the Congress got it and adjusted to the idea, post 2004 they have not been dislodged.

The other factor and something that happened with the BJP, if you get too principled in your stand then sooner or later the fatigue sets in with the voter, more importantly, voter has a limited memory and the span of memory further cuts down especially in an age where information travels at lightening speed.

Imran should take a cue and take the plunge irrespective. 5 years in opposition for Imran won’t be a good and also for the PTI. His best chance of getting to be the PM is now, who knows how the world will shape up in 5 years from now, best for him not to miss it, or he could end up like LK Advani, who gets taunted as “the PM in waiting”.

At the end, Imran needs to remember one thing absolutely clearly, he has hyped the expectations way too much so it remains more than a responsibility for him to form the next government and give it a shot good or bad, whatever. With him as the PM, India and Indians too has a lot of expectations, and we do believe India and Pakistan can look to have a lot better relations with him as the PM.

 

[Icewolf]

@keeninterest

Hi, sir, Pakistan's politics are a way different place that India's. I dont see how Imran Khan can become PM without the backing of his party, even though he seems like a one man show, IK is way too immature for the post of PM without backup of some sort.

I think PTI said they will do alliance with JuI, but I also think that was cancelled, after protests of PTI joining with a party like JuI, which is basically a Islamic fundamentalist party.

Keep in mind that if PTI accepts a huge part of PPP, PTI would lose probably 75% of their vote bank.

 

[keeninterest]

Hello Icewolf.


I will take it up from what I have seen so far, and I make a rider here, I do follow Pakistan and the politics there, but the scope has it’s limitations and the same will reflect in my opinion, so you and others from Pakistan would have a much better perspective, and our interaction can help me gather a better perspective, so let’s take this further.

I dont see how Imran Khan can become PM without the backing of his party, even though he seems like a one man show, IK is way too immature for the post of PM without backup of some sort.

I think PTI said they will do alliance with JuI, but I also think that was cancelled, after protests of PTI joining with a party like JuI, which is basically a Islamic fundamentalist party.

Which party? Are you referring to the PTI?

If yes, why wouldn’t the PTI support IK? Let us for a second say, the PTI as an entity doesn’t support IK, and we take out IK out of the PTI, what will be left of the PTI then? If that was to happen, will people still associate with the PTI?

My point is, the PTI won’t go for pre-poll alliance but post poll alliance, and from what I quoted in the last post, there is a reference that IK is not averse to the idea of coalition per se. Once the PTI forms the next government, they won’t be judged on with whom they joined hands but how well or badly the PTI delivered on the promises/commitments made. People will readily accept him provided he delivers irrespective of his alliance partners, and on the opposition to break away groups joining the PTI or the alliance from within the PTI, that I think will fade away if IK says the government has to be formed. PTI party workers will listen to him, I will like to believe his aura is as significant.

On IK being immature, well, I see him more as emotional than immature but then we all get carried away, some a little more, some less. Will he end up as a good PM for Pakistan? That will be answered only if he gets to be one, best left for time to tell.

Keep in mind that if PTI accepts a huge part of PPP, PTI would lose probably 75% of their vote bank.

Post the elections how the government gets formed won’t be that big an issue, at best an issue for a couple of days provided IK is not directly going to join hands with the PPP, PML(N/Q), etc which will be suicidal but on that IK has already clarified. The only other reason this could become a talking point is if IK fails to deliver, and then this reason is sighted as an excuse for non-performance.

The reason why I raised the point of fatigue to set in and limited memory is because IK has raised the tempo way too much, now even if with all these expectations and supposed support base IK can’t make it as the PM, the people will start to believe IK was more of a media (print/electronic/internet) phenomenon and there isn’t much of a ground support and this will be quickly cashed on by the main opposing parties, and as this happens, immediately the fatigue will set in within his support base and the threat of his support base loosening up and breaking away. It is this which will be psychologically very damaging.

On the memory bit, let us say, the current government of the PPP, the MQM and the ANP resolve the outage problem to the full satisfaction of the average man on the street post the IMF releases the held up funds, do you still think the electricity crisis will be an election issue by the time people go to cast their vote? From what I understand of politics, the PPP and alliance partners would highlight it as the biggest achievement ever and more likely than not the average voter will be influenced, and the tide to a certain extent would have changed. That is how shot the memory can be and how quickly the voter can be influenced.

So I say, 5 years in opposition for IK won’t be good.

 

[batmannow]

Jinnah was not a one man, bhutto was not a one man, Mahatir was not a one man, Eurdogan is not a one man, Khemini was not a one man, Castro was not alone, nor is Imran Khan !!

and his claims are realistic, we should not have unrealistic expectations that he will turn over the fate of Pakistan over a night-

The mentioned peoples in your posts, mostly are the peoples , who came to the power because of the revolution, bt not by elections.
Some of them, did get elected once they did establised themselves, once they cleanned the opposing messes, & all that happenend just because, all those nations were united as a nation indeed, but right now pakistan , we are milles away from that track?

As I said it before, imran should support marshallaw , & then join the power with army, which isn't croupt like our politicians, & let the dogs bark with a smile on his face.

 

[batmannow]

Hello Icewolf.


I will take it up from what I have seen so far, and I make a rider here, I do follow Pakistan and the politics there, but the scope has it’s limitations and the same will reflect in my opinion, so you and others from Pakistan would have a much better perspective, and our interaction can help me gather a better perspective, so let’s take this further.



Which party? Are you referring to the PTI?

If yes, why wouldn’t the PTI support IK? Let us for a second say, the PTI as an entity doesn’t support IK, and we take out IK out of the PTI, what will be left of the PTI then? If that was to happen, will people still associate with the PTI?

My point is, the PTI won’t go for pre-poll alliance but post poll alliance, and from what I quoted in the last post, there is a reference that IK is not averse to the idea of coalition per se. Once the PTI forms the next government, they won’t be judged on with whom they joined hands but how well or badly the PTI delivered on the promises/commitments made. People will readily accept him provided he delivers irrespective of his alliance partners, and on the opposition to break away groups joining the PTI or the alliance from within the PTI, that I think will fade away if IK says the government has to be formed. PTI party workers will listen to him, I will like to believe his aura is as significant.

On IK being immature, well, I see him more as emotional than immature but then we all get carried away, some a little more, some less. Will he end up as a good PM for Pakistan? That will be answered only if he gets to be one, best left for time to tell.



Post the elections how the government gets formed won’t be that big an issue, at best an issue for a couple of days provided IK is not directly going to join hands with the PPP, PML(N/Q), etc which will be suicidal but on that IK has already clarified. The only other reason this could become a talking point is if IK fails to deliver, and then this reason is sighted as an excuse for non-performance.

The reason why I raised the point of fatigue to set in and limited memory is because IK has raised the tempo way too much, now even if with all these expectations and supposed support base IK can’t make it as the PM, the people will start to believe IK was more of a media (print/electronic/internet) phenomenon and there isn’t much of a ground support and this will be quickly cashed on by the main opposing parties, and as this happens, immediately the fatigue will set in within his support base and the threat of his support base loosening up and breaking away. It is this which will be psychologically very damaging.

On the memory bit, let us say, the current government of the PPP, the MQM and the ANP resolve the outage problem to the full satisfaction of the average man on the street post the IMF releases the held up funds, do you still think the electricity crisis will be an election issue by the time people go to cast their vote? From what I understand of politics, the PPP and alliance partners would highlight it as the biggest achievement ever and more likely than not the average voter will be influenced, and the tide to a certain extent would have changed. That is how shot the memory can be and how quickly the voter can be influenced.

So I say, 5 years in opposition for IK won’t be good.

Nice post mate!
But sory, in pakistan we don't hve much time left, its a total kaos if , there is a election to be held, in which no single party, has been predicted to get single majorty.
So many pakistanis like, me we support him absoultly & we want him to , get power with our militry in which , he doesn't need to share devil politicians of pakistan.

 

[SQ8]

Nice post mate!
But sory, in pakistan we don't hve much time left, its a total kaos if , there is a election to be held, in which no single party, has been predicted to get single majorty.
So many pakistanis like, me we support him absoultly & we want him to , get power with our militry in which , he doesn't need to share devil politicians of pakistan.

Why?
Who made them gods gift to Pakistan.. ?

And IK's biggest stumbling block in his quest for power is his incorrect support base.
He has the support of a large section of PUnjab and KPK's educated majority.. but has yet to connect on scale with the uneducated class who make up the majority vote.

His message may get through to the university student.. but it has not yet gotten through to the Patwari who controls the votes in his Tehsil.

 

[truthseer]

IK is but one man; even if he comes to power, which is unlikely to being with with, he simply does not, and likely will not, have the machinery needed to bring his tall promises to fruition. Indeed, he will face overt and covert opposition and sabotage from strongly vested interests that have only grown more powerful over the last few decades.

Last time I checked, PTI has many members and most of them have experience in the government. So your point is moot.
Also, your strong implication that the army will interfere is laughable and pointedly American

 

[batmannow]

Why?
Who made them gods gift to Pakistan.. ?

And IK's biggest stumbling block in his quest for power is his incorrect support base.
He has the support of a large section of PUnjab and KPK's educated majority.. but has yet to connect on scale with the uneducated class who make up the majority vote.

His message may get through to the university student.. but it has not yet gotten through to the Patwari who controls the votes in his Tehsil.

That's the whole point of concern!
With this system of doom , in place it would be just another waste of time , waste of innocent lives, waste of national wealth , to give crouption & lawlessnss, a legal form to kill more pakistanis?
Best option, call a grand MARSHALL revolution in pakistan, safe gurd national assests & intersts, call in a local bodies bassed, system of governence, make imran a head of national goverment, save the time, save the innocent lives, save the national wealth , cut the dam crap out ?

 

[batmannow]

Last time I checked, PTI has many members and most of them have experience in the government. So your point is moot.
Also, your strong implication that the army will interfere is laughable and pointedly American

Sorry , to intrup!
You can count on finger tips how many peoples PTI with experience, even. I think its a crafted issue, but its not important for now, with great honnesty , its nice to see IK telling it loud & clear that he is ready to sit in even in opposition, its fair enough.
But the point is why to support, waste the time & national wealth, & innocent lives, if elections can't bring the required change?
Why IK should sit infront of chors & qatils, if he can't stop them?
Why don't he just, kick the whole system out?