If this story is correct, this is a dire situation.

[cnleio]

To maintain that population and not have a demographic collapse.

Remember, population creates Markets, and Markets and access to them is the single biggest thing in the world.

One final point- Do you know how US was formed? United States essentially deliberately invited European refugees, and settled them in America. The whole purpose was to demographically demolish Native Americans. It is a fact that you can not safely hold a territory with hostile population on it.

China has too much land that is tenous. Xinjiang and Tibet will have to be settled to create a firm grip.

The single biggest problem to that is connectivity. Those areas are not connected to anywhere. Though there is a problem of arable land, that can be solved using appropriate technologies.

China and U.S almost have the same land size, but China has 1.3billion ppl and U.S only has 1/4 ppl ... do u see the U.S collaped ? The population quality is the key, not the numbers !!!

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

30 years ago, the purpose of One-Child policy is to reduce billion of population to 0.6~0.5 billion in China ... recent years new policy is new Chinese family which the wife or husband come from the One-Child family can have two babies.

I come from the One-Child family, i support two babies for every Chinese family but not more. I hate a crowd & poor China, welcome a comfortable & high-quality China.

You will then have to choose between being high quality, or perhaps giving up a little bit of quality for being huge.
Quality of life by itself means nada. No body in the world cares much about Denmark, or Liechtenstein. Do they?

America had a policy earlier of US vs the rest. It always aimed at creating capacities where it is bigger than the rest of the world. It still is today in terms of military might.

Than it came to a system of US + hard core allies vs the rest. And today it does hold that true.

China must have an economy that has a 35% share in the world economy to truly make a mark as big as US in 20th century.

China and U.S almost have the same land size, but China has 1.3billion ppl and U.S only has 1/4 ppl ... do u see the U.S collaped ?

US population is more dispersed. Not that of China.

Also, US is surrounded either by vast oceans, or by relatively small states. Canada is lucky that it exists. Mexico is also too small.

With China, you have loads of surrounding states, with loads of claims. So yes, if you can demographically subsume your west, than perhaps we can talk, but right now, those two places are hardly settled.

Israel has actually converted vast tracts of desert to farming land. It can be done. It's all about will.

Remember, the biggest strength of China, as you yourself say is its people. Why do you want to decrease that strength?

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

You will then have to choose between being high quality, or perhaps giving up a little bit of quality for being huge.
Quality of life by itself means nada. No body in the world cares much about Denmark, or Liechtenstein. Do they?

America had a policy earlier of US vs the rest. It always aimed at creating capacities where it is bigger than the rest of the world. It still is today in terms of military might.

Than it came to a system of US + hard core allies vs the rest. And today it does hold that true.

China must have an economy that has a 35% share in the world economy to truly make a mark as big as US in 20th century.




US population is more dispersed. Not that of China.

Also, US is surrounded either by vast oceans, or by relatively small states. Canada is lucky that it exists. Mexico is also too small.

With China, you have loads of surrounding states, with loads of claims. So yes, if you can demographically subsume your western interior, than perhaps we can talk, but right now, those two places are hardly settled.

Israel has actually converted vast tracts of desert to farming land. It can be done. It's all about will.

Remember, the biggest strength of China, as you yourself say is its people. Why do you want to decrease that strength?

All in good time my Indian friend. Chinese civilisation is China's greatest asset as it holds the country together and enables the Chinese people to endure hardships that would tear other countries apart.

The Chinese western regions do no suffer from population deficiency, it suffers from lack of investment relative to the coastal cities on the east. The Western interior will provide plenty of growth for the Chinese economy for decades to come as the East coast suffer from over investment and diminishing returns on investments.

 

[cnleio]

China must have an economy that has a 35% share in the world economy to truly make a mark as big as US in 20th century.

That's very soon, if 1 USD == 1 RMB (right now 1USD == 6RMB) the U.S is urging China to boost our RMB exchange rate ... but before increase more middle-class Chinese family & improve domestic purchasing powers & export trade, China will still maintain current rate. U can just imagine if current China GDP x N (N=1~6) ... world economy will be changed.

BTW if i read correct economy data, now U.S GDP only double times bigger than China GDP ...

Remember, the biggest strength of China, as you yourself say is its people. Why do you want to decrease that strength?

Wrong, it's Chinese wisdom, not our ppl numbers ... the strength is from our brains.

 

[powastick]

HK is a dream for many people

Hong Kong is dream if you are rich. Is shit for middle and poor class people. You have to choose between a Car, House, and Children. You only can have one because living expenses and house are high.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

All in good time my Indian friend. Chinese civilisation is China's greatest asset as it holds the country together and enables the Chinese people to endure hardships that would tear other countries apart.

The Chinese western regions do no suffer from population deficiency, it suffers from lack of investment relative to the coastal cities on the east. The Western interior will provide plenty of growth for the Chinese economy for decades to come as the East coast suffer from over investment and diminishing returns on investments.

I am talking about the far west. Xinjiang, and Tibet.

 

[applesauce]

I am talking about the far west. Xinjiang, and Tibet.

those places are thinly populated for a good reason.
and don't bring up israel, go look at the size of israel then compare it to xinjiang+tibet and israel is rich(per capita wise) and enjoys vast material and monetary support from the US. israel probably wouldn't exist without that support let alone build green houses in the desert. furthermore china already has a water problem its trying to solve, having more people isnt going to help that problem, keep in mind water isn't just what people use, but also what they eat, it takes a lot of water to raise pigs for instance. what china needs to do is balance between overpopulation and an aging population.

 

[TaiShang]

It is an issue of time and balancing. As I see it, China wants both sustainable development and sustainable population growth. One cannot be sacrificed for the sake of the other. As economy and national welfare achieve higher standards, the population growth is engineered accordingly. As China moves on, rest assured, population growth will face less and less regulation, just as the new policy that was put in affect last year.

China does study it very meticulously and there is a whole lot of institutions working on the issue. It knows the risks, limitations and capabilities. What I anticipate to see is further relaxation at a greater speed. In fact, 2015 might see yet another major reform. There has been a lot of talk on the matter recently.

I support sustainable populations growth. If I have to choose between declining population / excessive wealth and growing population / moderate wealth, I will chose the latter.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

That's very soon, if 1 USD == 1 RMB (right now 1USD == 6RMB) the U.S is urging China to boost our RMB exchange rate ... but before increase more middle-class Chinese family & improve domestic purchasing powers & export trade, China will still maintain current rate. U can just imagine if current China GDP x N (N=1~6) ... world economy will be changed.

BTW if i read correct economy data, now U.S GDP only double times bigger than China GDP ...




Wrong, it's Chinese wisdom, not our ppl numbers ... the strength is from our brains.

Now it is only 1.5 times bigger.

 

[Jlaw]

I agree, but if the abortion is a danger to the teacher, just let her have the second kid without losing her job.

 

[AndrewJin]

I agree, but if the abortion is a danger to the teacher, just let her have the second kid without losing her job.

The recent update, she can give birth, since her ID is in Huangshan.

 

[Beast]

China needs more kids. It befalls me why they are still threatening people like this. Just let them have as many without incentives and then judge what is happening of the fertility rate.

Then u become like Bangladesh. Every year millions of new Chinese graduate can't find job and end up as labourer or lower skill job becos the competition is too strong with many vying for one position. After spending so many years and money on education. Is this what u want?

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Then u become like Bangladesh. Every year millions of new Chinese graduate can't find job and end up as labourer or lower skill job becos the competition is too strong with many vying for one position. After spending so many years and money on education. Is this what u want?

Those graduates don't have the right required skills. In many cases they don't have skills.

But this situation is understandable. In coming years, you should improve your education system, and skills of people.

So I want these many graduates. Heck! It would be awesome to have 10 million graduates. The question is about giving them the right skills. That should be worked on.

Also, jobs are created by other people. It is not like if you increase graduates, jobs will not increase. If you increase graduates, jobs will increase eventually.

China has no lack of jobs. These people just don't have the right skills.

 

[AndrewJin]

Those graduates don't have the right required skills. In many cases they don't have skills.

But this situation is understandable. In coming years, you should improve your education system, and skills of people.

So I want these many graduates. Heck! It would be awesome to have 10 million graduates. The question is about giving them the right skills. That should be worked on.

Also, jobs are created by other people. It is not like if you increase graduates, jobs will not increase. If you increase graduates, jobs will increase eventually.

China has no lack of jobs. These people just don't have the right skills.

what do u mean by job being increased eventually if graduates are increased?

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

what do u mean by job being increased eventually if graduates are increased?

More graduates and more people, eventually leads to bigger market (consumers) more job makers, etc.

The amount of jobs is directly related to the size of economy, and sectors of the economy. More graduates, and bigger market creates more jobs servicing and sustaining it.