If the us invades iran...?

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Ahmadinajad is a gentleman - please just becasue his country is under sanction they have economic woes but they are still building new weapons - to win back their international freedom

Soon very soon iran will find freedom

And its great that Iran has opened their eyes recently and stated their stance on Kashmir openly

With out Sanctions , Iran would be as Modern as Germany or England due to the hardworking nature of iranian people

They are do so much in R&D now even with sanctions that it puts alot of nations to shame

I do see Iran proposing a Defence sheild of their own for rest of the world

 

[Rumporum]

Ahmadinajad is a gentleman - please just becasue his country is under sanction they have economic woes but they are still building new weapons - to win back their international freedom

Soon very soon iran will find freedom

And its great that Iran has opened their eyes recently and stated their stance on Kashmir openly

With out Sanctions , Iran would be as Modern as Germany or England due to the hardworking nature of iranian people

They are do so much in R&D now even with sanctions that it puts alot of nations to shame

I do see Iran proposing a Defence sheild of their own for rest of the world

Ahmadinajad a gentleman?? more of a mad man than a gentleman his actions and statements prove that the he lost his marbles some time back.

There is a lot of rhetoric and even if they are doing a lot in R&D mainly in the defence industry while laying the rest of the country waste slowly and steadily.

 

[The Clarifier]

Iran is pretty much the only country that has a hard stance against all our enemies. We all hate US and Israel, but how many of our countries actually oppose it?

 

[TrMhMt]

Ahmadinajad is a gentleman - please just becasue his country is under sanction they have economic woes but they are still building new weapons - to win back their international freedom

Soon very soon iran will find freedom

And its great that Iran has opened their eyes recently and stated their stance on Kashmir openly

With out Sanctions , Iran would be as Modern as Germany or England due to the hardworking nature of iranian people

They are do so much in R&D now even with sanctions that it puts alot of nations to shame

I do see Iran proposing a Defence sheild of their own for rest of the world

I agree with you bro. And he speaks the truth !! I am Turkish but i respect him ....

 

[500]

Ahmadinajad is a gentleman - please just becasue his country is under sanction they have economic woes but they are still building new weapons - to win back their international freedom

Soon very soon iran will find freedom

Inshallah Iran will be free from mullah dictatorship.

 

[The Clarifier]

So Israel can continue murdering more innocents without anyone making a fuss about it.

 

[Pasban]

Its whats was written in Tehran

I do not doubt it was written in Tehran or any other place in Iran. I have come across it myself. My point is that it is incorrect.

Indeed, Iran uses "supreme leader", thats huge difference.

Actually, the term Supreme Leader wasn't as much as an official terminology as an adopted one. 'Rahber' translates to 'leader' alone and often that is how the term is used officially within Iran, i.e 'the Leader said such and such.. etc. Similarly, the official website is simply leader (dot) ir. The usage of 'Supreme Leader' has indeed however been adopted with time. A case in point is below.

The Office of the Supreme Leader, Sayyid Ali Khamenei - ?????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ??? ????? ??

YouTube - Arrow missile

0:30

It is written atop the missile as you have claimed.

Iran makes "death to Israel" parades since 1979 and says constantly that Israel will be destroyed. Israeli president only said that, when Iranians threaten Israel they should know that Iran can also be destroyed.

Actually the parades you are talking about usually say 'down with Israel,' and refer entirely to the regime and it's policies and not the Israeli people themselves. Also, they predate 1979. Moreover, there is no dedicated parade as such. As for the last sentence, that is not what he said, he said 'Iran should know that it can be wiped of the map too' without anyone reference to Iran threatening the statehood of Israel. I only point this out because previously you have shown much interest in noting exact wordings as was evident when I mistook 'would' with 'could.'

Aireh Eldad does not hold any position. Besides Iran threatens to kill Israeli officials.

Actually he does hold a position as a member of the Israeli parliament. Also, Iran has not threatened to kill any Israeli official. Rather than pointing to artwork made by individuals, you ought to refer to official statements and extracts from the words of officials. It is in your knowledge that much offensive artwork originates from Israeli individuals as well displaying a greater Israel and so forth to cite one example.

Again mistranslation. I guess.

YouTube - Ahmadinejad: death to Israel

Indeed you are right, it is in many respects. Firstly, the translation is provided by MEMRI and I have already stated before hand of how much authority I attribute to this Israeli source. You might as well quote from Debka.com. Secondly, matching word to word, he was saying 'marg bar Israel' (down with Israel (its government)). He has very clearly stated himself to be a foe of 'Zionism,' and that he believes it to be manifested in the official governmental policy of the Israeli state. What he hasn't stated is that he stands against the people or the faith they profess or their right to statehood, at the expense of another people (the Palestinians) at the least. In case you think otherwise, I am not supportive of his rhetoric and a host of other issues relating to him so feel little need to defend him. I am however only pointing out the factual.

Israel never did anything bad to Iran. On contrary we helped Iran during its hardest times in 80-es. What we got in return? Exploded Jewish centers in South America, thousands of missiles on our cities, exploded buses and restourants.

I think it would be rather comical for one to assume that the controversial purported Israeli aid to Iran changed the entirety of the outcome of the Imposed War for Iran. It has been exaggerated out of porportions. Moreover, even the most supportive of sources of the cases do not report direct dealing. Also, though I will abstain from indulging much into this given that its a rather expansive topic of its own, whatever Israel possibly did was in it's vested interests to thwart Saddam, not aid the revolutionary government. So what exact help is being made a reference to and how did it shape the events of the conflict? The 80s were indeed a difficult period for Iran, and that is because foreign support was near nonexistent whereas the opposite was the case for Saddam, thus changing what would have been more natural balances. Lastly, what restaurant has Iran exploded in Israeli populated towns? Also, what of the armed adventure in south Lebanon, and the pounding of villagers by a national military?

Nevertheless if Iran wished to restore diplomatic relationships with Israel there would not be any problems from Israeli side, I gurantee you.

I would doubt it for a host of factors. At the core though, the founding issue remains the Palestinian crisis. It's resolution alone would be the building block for such diplomatic overtures.

P.S. Occupation of Palestinian territories is really poor excuse, because Iran has excellent relationships with Armenia, that occupied 20% of Azerbaijan, your fellow Shia brothers.

Iran does not support nor recognizes the occupation of the territories of Azerbaijan. If it did otherwise, your point would be justifiable. Moreover, Iran has been amongst the first to recognize the state and the first to make diplomatic overtures with it including recently a one-sided lifting of visa requirements for travel within Iran. Iran-Armenia ties received betterment given the close cooperation of our 'Shi'a brothers,' as you put it, ties with Israel and statements regarding Iran and a segment of her population.

 

[500]

I do not doubt it was written in Tehran or any other place in Iran. I have come across it myself. My point is that it is incorrect.

Who wrote it? Israeli agents?

It is written atop the missile as you have claimed.

I did not say "top".

Actually the parades you are talking about usually say 'down with Israel,' and refer entirely to the regime and it's policies and not the Israeli people themselves.

They say "death to Israel" too and you know pretty well what whill happen to Israeli people if Israel will be destroyed.

More over Iran supports groups which target indiscriminately all Israelis.

As for the last sentence, that is not what he said, he said 'Iran should know that it can be wiped of the map too' without anyone reference to Iran threatening the statehood of Israel.

You know the meaning of word "too"?

Actually he does hold a position as a member of the Israeli parliament.

Thats not executive position. He can only talk.

Also, Iran has not threatened to kill any Israeli official. Rather than pointing to artwork made by individuals,

Oh really any individual can put posters over Tehran

Secondly, matching word to word, he was saying 'marg bar Israel' (down with Israel (its government)).

Marg bar Israel means death to Israel. Not any government and not any down.

I think it would be rather comical for one to assume that the controversial purported Israeli aid to Iran changed the entirety of the outcome of the Imposed War for Iran.

You always try to add something I did not say. I only said that Israel provided help in critical times. And I can add now that this help saved lives of many thousands Iranians.

I am not even talking about destruction of Iraqi nuclear program.

Lastly, what restaurant has Iran exploded in Israeli populated towns?

Here for example:

Matza restaurant suicide bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Done by Iranian sponsored Hamas.

Also, what of the armed adventure in south Lebanon

This "adventure" is result of continous Hezbollah provocations even after Israel left entire Lebanon.

I would doubt it for a host of factors. At the core though, the founding issue remains the Palestinian crisis. It's resolution alone would be the building block for such diplomatic overtures.

I already explained why Palestinians cant justify Iran.

Iran does not support nor recognizes the occupation of the territories of Azerbaijan. If it did otherwise, your point would be justifiable.

Iran keeps excellent relationships with Armenia despite it occupied Muslim territory and ethnically cleansed ALL Muslims from there (unlike Palestine where Muslim population is rapidly GROWING). So why it cant keep relationships with Israel?

 

[Abii]

This Ahmadinejad is a serious nut case.. no one is going to invade Iran. Behind all their rhetoric and crazy policies these nut cases are slowly and steadily are ruining Iran and eventually going to run it to the ground. They are very able and capable of doing that I'm confident of that.

Instead of cleaning up their own house this Ahmadinejad and gang are hell bent on screwing even Lebanon together with Syrians.. their own house is a mess but don't realise that and stoke fires everywhere else.

I am the most anti Islamic republic and anti Islam Iranian you can find and even I will disagree with what you say.

With this regime Iran has become a truly industrialized country. If the sanctions were removed tomorrow and Iran joined the WTO and investment started coming in, Iran would become richer than South Korea and many Euro countries within a decade. We're even exporting automobiles to Russia today (for example samand)!

We're the biggest auto producer in the ME and the only reason we can't export to Europe is b/c of the sanctions. There are a lot of other things as well. Iran before the revolution was nothing. I rather have this Iran than be like UAE or KSA etc...

If the ******* mullahs gave people social freedoms, I would become their biggest supporters.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

First, if your knowledge is less please do not open your mouth, only ask your questions,%98 of Iranian are muslim only about 50000 of Zoroastrian live in Iran, who keep Iran pre-Islam religion, they were unitarian even before Jewish. to call Iranian Zoroastrian is Hawabies propaganda.
Second, the last year protest was against stolen election and Ahmadinejat but not against Islam.
Third, if even what you heard so called hatred on arabs is true, what you can conclude on? are Arabs equal to Islam? only 300M arabs among 1.4 B muslims. if Iranian are proud of their 7000 years civilization is that islamic history? how narrow mind are people who effect with Hawabisim.

I think you meant Wahabism ?

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

First, if your knowledge is less please do not open your mouth, only ask your questions,%98 of Iranian are muslim only about 50000 of Zoroastrian live in Iran, who keep Iran pre-Islam religion, they were unitarian even before Jewish. to call Iranian Zoroastrian is Hawabies propaganda.
Second, the last year protest was against stolen election and Ahmadinejat but not against Islam.
Third, if even what you heard so called hatred on arabs is true, what you can conclude on? are Arabs equal to Islam? only 300M arabs among 1.4 B muslims. if Iranian are proud of their 7000 years civilization is that islamic history? how narrow mind are people who effect with Hawabisim.

what's with some iranian members and their rude behaviour ?

Is that how you guys are asked to shut up in your country , which is why you start off blabbering BS once you reach the freedom of cyberspace ?

You mind your own damn business , the mods are there to tell me to shut up when i should .

My view point was an impression that i got reading stuff and interacting with iranians on the net most of who were surprisingly much more humble and well behaved than many iranian members here , then i asked the question as to whether it was the correct impression to which abii replied .

If you think the impression i got was wrong you can inform me without asking me to shut up . It seems once some iranians get outside iran they just can not handle their new found freedom .

 

[500]

With this regime Iran has become a truly industrialized country.

Country that imports gasoline is nowheere even close to industrialized. Making copy of french cars is fine, but not enough.

 

[Hussein]

I am the most anti Islamic republic and anti Islam Iranian you can find and even I will disagree with what you say.

With this regime Iran has become a truly industrialized country. If the sanctions were removed tomorrow and Iran joined the WTO and investment started coming in, Iran would become richer than South Korea and many Euro countries within a decade. We're even exporting automobiles to Russia today (for example samand)!

We're the biggest auto producer in the ME and the only reason we can't export to Europe is b/c of the sanctions. There are a lot of other things as well. Iran before the revolution was nothing. I rather have this Iran than be like UAE or KSA etc...

If the ******* mullahs gave people social freedoms, I would become their biggest supporters.

I know well the auto market of Iran . And sadly i can say you this is not a good exemple: cars in Iran didn't have the level of quality of European cars they had the same name of model: the tests norms are not at all the same. remember some of our cars in Iran exploded?

Our country needs really a smart developping environment
this is not today. it is not because of Islam or the existence of IRI
but sadly the matter of an economy in the hands of a few, who didn't help for a better economy and technology
we could get far much better as you say
some people in our country didn't want to let the Iran be a normal country with fair rules. It is nothing to do with religion...
I see many Iranians outside like to criticize religion (even if not the majority) but they didn't get what are the problems.

 

[Hussein]

what's with some iranian members and their rude behaviour ?

Is that how you guys are asked to shut up in your country , which is why you start off blabbering BS once you reach the freedom of cyberspace ?

You mind your own damn business , the mods are there to tell me to shut up when i should .

My view point was an impression that i got reading stuff and interacting with iranians on the net most of who were surprisingly much more humble and well behaved than many iranian members here , then i asked the question as to whether it was the correct impression to which abii replied .

If you think the impression i got was wrong you can inform me without asking me to shut up . It seems once some iranians get outside iran they just can not handle their new found freedom .

i hope i am not in your list of bad guys

sadly they are some Iranians who are arrogant.
You know it was one of the reason we didn't like the shah.

 

[Abii]

Country that imports gasoline is nowheere even close to industrialized. Making copy of french cars is fine, but not enough.

don't talk out of your behind k?
I told you, I'm no fan of the Islamic Republic and I aint even Muslim so I have no reason to defend them.

Lets break down your argument.
Regarding the gasoline issue.

1) The Iranian people are extremely wasteful when it comes to gasoline. For years gasoline was as cheap as water in Iran and Iranians were the second biggest users of gasoline after the US. The US had a population of 300+million and is the most industrialized nation while Iran is not even close in any area so you get the picture of how wasteful Iran was for years.
Now they have removed the subsidies and pushed the prices up so people are using less.

2) Almost all of Iran's refineries were bombed in the Iraq war and had to be rebuilt. Iran has been under sanctions for 31 years, no investment, no foreign help in most areas and no indigenous industry before the revolution. So not surprisingly it took years for Iran to rebuilt all those refineries.

3) 90% of the price of gasoline is the oil itself. For years Iran would just ship its own oil, with its own oil tankers, to countries that had excess refining capacity and then Iran used its own tankers again to ship it back to Iran. I actually think this is the best way to go for now instead of making new refineries. Never the less, Iran will become a net exporter of gasoline by 2013-15.

"LONDON, Oct 8, (RTRS): Iran’s assertion that it has side-stepped some international sanctions and become self-sufficient in gasoline is political propaganda, experts say, but it could become a reality as early as 2013."
Iran fights fuel sanctions, may become gasoline exporter in ?14

And Iran produces cars from scratch. There are many IRanian models with Iranian made engines, body, you name it. If you're too thick to do a simple google search than I can't help you out anymore.

Take a look at this list and see how the Iranian car industry is growing rapidly while in industrialized nations like Canada production is rapidly dropping. Plus, in countries like Canada not a single model is native and are all assembled models from foreign countries.

Iran has went from 277 K to 1.4 million in one decade
Canada has dropped from 3 million to 1.4 million in one decade

Also in 2011 car production in Iran is expected to grow rapidly. Iran Khodro, Iran's biggest car producer, is coming out with 5 new models for just 2011 alone.