If Pakistanies support Turkey on Kurds issue, why you are complaining about India invading Kashmir？

[Smoke]

Yes we have seen this attitude in IK's UN speech, in his facial expressions.

You don't get it do you. We are a nation of Martyrs, Every single muslim knows he will go to heaven if he/she is martyred. With that kind of a mentality, you think we will back down? Never. It's our shortcut to heaven.

You don't have that in your religion. You people will run, scared to die.

We embrace death like true warriors.

PM IK Also pretty much said that in the UN speech. La-illa-ha, ill-lal-laa-ho we will fight till death.

Try beating that kind of conviction with your words.

 

[Adonis]

Hindu's are.. Sikhs however are a different story.

I don't understand when you try to differentiate between people based on religion....what happens if you are Muslim do you become more muscular? Most of so called Momins of subcontinent were former Hindus (including Allama Iqbal's father and M.A. Jinnah's Father... does that mean they were weak before and became strong on conversion?
Sikh Gurus were Hindus till their 10th Guru asked them to keep specific identity and fight against oppression and forced conversion by the Muslims....

Read History, get your facts right...else we keep ending up giving Highly emotional speeches but with no substance (logic) and no result, in front of the world.

 

[damm1t]

So is it really we worried about them or they are worried about us?

Worry about you? We really give no single damn. China is just a regional power. For example here in Middle-East does anyone asks China's opinion? No...

 

[Orca]

Nice excuse using other countries internal conflicts for agressiona and invasion, the same excuse can be used by any country, anywhere, if the world follows this logic, the world we know now will very soon cease to exist.

for your kind information, in past some of countries followed this example perfectly dont forget what India did in East Pakistan.

 

[Hamza913]

Also Hindus are weak and scared of momins.

You are. A few militants in the 90s were enough to send over half a million Pandits packing.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

These two events are very similar. Except Kashmir is a disputed region. Both Pakistan and India claim to own it. Turkey doesn't have sorvereignty to north Syria. Which makes the invasion less reasonable.

No, they are emphatically NOT similiar. Eastern Anatolia which has Kurdish population has always been integral part of Turkey and before that was part of the Turkish Ottoman Empire. Those regions [Kurds] never existed as a separate entities. Indeed even Syria, Iraq were part of the Ottoman Empire and were sliced off by the victorious Allies at end of WW1.

Thus there is absolutely no similiarity between the two and to make such comparisons is nothing but peddling a agenda and extremely damaging to Pakistan. I would use Tibet or Xinkiang as analogues. With regards to operations by Turks in Syria these are in the context of Russian, American involement and intended to prevent terrorism from spilling into Turkey.

 

[haidian]

we will support China on issues where the world sees them as aggressors.. There are many examples where Chinese are on an offensive and the world is not accepting their claim.

When China stages wars in other countries let's condenm China together.

 

[313ghazi]

These two events are very similar. Except Kashmir is a disputed region. Both Pakistan and India claim to own it. Turkey doesn't have sorvereignty to north Syria. Which makes the invasion less reasonable.

The two events are worlds apart.

Kashmir has never been a part of India. Kashmir was invaded by A british backed hindu who was then given Kashmir as a prize by the British. The British then left and the same man's children gave Kashmir to India, against the will of it's people. Occupying forces can never be the deciders of a nations destiny. India invaded Kashmir to claim the territory as their own. Article 370 gave it "special status" which allowed Kashmir a semblence of self rule (under Indian proxies) but that was removed and India has now laid seige to Kashmir. In Kashmir India has killed hundreds of thousands, used rape as a weapon of war and has blinded thousands deliberately. Torture is routine. They have regularly practiced ethnic cleansing in Kashmir.

The Turkish operation in Northern Syria is different. Turkey is not planning to keep the territory, after a peace is agreed, it will be returned to the Syrian government. Turkey is not targeting the Kurdish people, Turkey itself is home to millions of Turks, and Turkey has relatively cordial relations with Kurds in Iraq and those in Iran who border Turkey. In Syria Kurdish terrorist groups like the PKK and YPG have used the vacuum of power in Northern Syria to claim territory as their own and are using it as a base from where to launch attacks in Turkey. Turkey is clearing out these areas of terrorists, then it intends to re-settle Syrian refugees there in safe zones. Once a peace is agreed in Syria, all the territory will be returned to the Syrian government.

No, they are emphatically NOT similiar. Eastern Anatolia which has Kurdish population has always been integral part of Turkey and before that was part of the Turkish Ottoman Empire. Those regions [Kurds] never existed as a separate entities. Indeed even Syria, Iraq were part of the Ottoman Empire and were sliced off by the victorious Allies at end of WW1.

Thus there is absolutely no similiarity between the two and to make such comparisons is nothing but peddling a agenda and extremely damaging to Pakistan. I would use Tibet or Xinkiang as analogues. With regards to operations by Turks in Syria these are in the context of Russian, American involement and intended to prevent terrorism from spilling into Turkey.

Great point. Historically these lands also belonged to the Turks, much like Tibet, Taiwan or Hong Kong.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Did PRC invade ROC

No. You would love. You have been openly salivating. The only reason you have not is United States Pacific Fleet and the possibility of a war with USA. In addition there is a sea between you both republics. And Taiwanese are armed to the teath and would have a bloody conflict if Chinsa ever tried.

But Tibet????? Ask th Dalai Lama???

 

[313ghazi]

Did PRC invade ROC( Taiwan) , Taiwan's official name is " Republic of China" just in case you don't know.

You really should. It is your territory, when you feel the time is appropriate, you should take it.

 

[haidian]

Great point. Historically these lands also belonged to the Turks, much like Tibet, Taiwan or Hong Kong.

No country can claim the land they have now had always belonged to them historically, but we should respect the international border now, otherwise the world will never be at peace.

You really should. It is your territory, when you feel the time is appropriate, you should take it.

No one wants wars, in China, a common catch phrase is Chinese don't fight Chinese. 中国人不打中国人。

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Great point. Historically these lands also belonged to the Turks, much like Tibet, Taiwan or Hong Kong.

Ottoman Empire 1900. Note these regions [vilayats] being discussed are part of the Turkish Empire ruled from Istanbul.

*Whereas Kashmir was not part of the Indian Republic when it was created on 15th August 1947. Only later in 1948 it invaded Kashmir etc and wew have UN resolutions outstanding.

 

[313ghazi]

No country can claim the land they have now had always belonged to them historically, but we should respect the international border now, otherwise the world will never be at peace.

Do you not claim Taiwan as China? Of course you can, the legitimacy of territory is enforced by your military and economic strength. The world will never be at peace, to assume it will is foolish. Those with strength will expand, those without will contract. The UN and all these constructs designed to establish peace and international law and order - are vieled hands of western interestts across the world. Everyone plays along, because nobody has the power to oppose the game. Your nation does, we will see a bolder China in our lifetime. Russia does, we already see a bolder Russia (see Crimea for example). India thinks it will, it's our job to shed enough blood to ensure that it does not.

 

[IblinI]

Worry about you? We really give no single damn. China is just a regional power. For example here in Middle-East does anyone asks China's opinion? No...

Well, well, well, good on you, bye.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

No one wants wars, in China, a common catch phrase is Chinese don't fight Chinese. 中国人不打中国人。

That is understandable. You did enough of killing each other in 1940s and learn't a vital lesson which was 中国人不打中国人

Well done !