If Indians were racist, why would we live with black people in the South, says BJP’s Tarun Vijay

[Stag112]

Both Pakistanis and Chinese here have some pretty racist and offensive posts on this thread I don't know if it's their disdain of dark skin or are they trying to irk indians. However none of them have attacked africans in their country and label them as drug dealers to justify the attacks. No one on Jah's green earth can surpass indians when it comes to racism! More indians live in african countries than africans in indian countries.

Yes yes they are making racist posts to "irk" Indians but africans becoming victim of crimes in India is racism. Some think tank you are, thanking racist abusive posts yourself while lamenting a badly worded comment by a politician which he immediately explained.

You have serious issues.

 

[padamchen]

It's a myth preputated by communist authors and ignorant people . I am a kashmiri Saraswat brahmin but my brother is white like persians and I am dark brown . Many high caste Brahmins are brown as well as black . It's only after central Asian invaders who were indianised and brought into high caste warriors , that we have many fair people of high caste . Kushans , hunas , indo Greeks , shakas etc



Impure blood not low blood .
It's like mixing of Europeans and Chinese or the case of haffu in Japanese .

Let's call a spade a spade bro.

Impure blood when it mixes.

But non Indian blood for centuries even millennia has been considered inferior blood.

How do you explain the term Mlecchas?

 

[manlion]

Caste and Varna are two different systems . Castes are closer to jatis which Indians created . Hello here we have Tamil castes of guarantor ( high born ) and ilipirappalar ( low born )

Untouchability in Sangam period was prevelant and known as parriyas .

‘Early Tamil society was free of caste’

At a time when caste is all pervasive in Tamil society, a new book by V.S. Rajam, former professor of the Pennsylvania University, said the ideas of caste discrimination and untochability find no reference in Sangam Tamil literature.

“I could not find casteism and untouchability in Sangam literature, but found them only in the commentaries on Silapathikaram by Adiyarkku Nallar and U.Ve. Swaminatha Iyer and Nammazhawar’s Thiruvaimozhi ,” she has said in her forthcoming book Sanga Ilakkiyangalil Saathi, Theendami, Inna pira (Caste, Untouchability etc., in Sangam Literature).

She contended that Ilango Adigal described the goldsmith as “ vilangu nadai selavin….kollan ” which was vastly different from Adiyarkku Nallar’s rendering of “as he was a man of low caste, he stood aside for the upper caste man”

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-pape...-society-was-free-of-caste/article7262291.ece

During 16th Century AD, Nayak King passed a law ordering people not to have any contact with the Pandian dynasity (in general with Mallas) and prevented the 18 communities that supported the Tamil Kings from having contact with one another and from inter-marriage between these communities. (This was the origin of Untouchability and modern caste division in Tamilnadu). The Mallars were ex-communicated, then gradually over the next 300 years, their lands were removed and given to other new formed upper castes that were loyal to Telugu Kings. The Mallars were named as Pallas and were made as agricultural labourers in the land in which they were once owners. Then after a few generations they were made as bonded labourers and then were removed of all basic human rights ( Prevented from having education, access to public places and Temples built by their own ancestors, prohibition from wearing Ornaments and dress on the upper part of the body, shoes etc).

To hide the truth that all Temples built upto 16th Century AD were built by the ancestors of these people, attempts were made to hide Temple Paintings by redrawing new paintings on the old ones (Tanjavur Periya Koyil, Mariamman Koyil). During 1932 when British gave self-autonomy to Indians, 1000s of new castes sprung up claiming superiority on one over the other. Several actions were directed by other communities to keep the Pallas at a low profile for fear of the other communities (new formed higher castes) loosing their claim for high caste and land ownership. In 1957 the Pallar, Devendrakula Vellalar Community was included to the Scheduled Caste by Kamaraj, then Chief minister of Tamilnadu, owing to the poverty of the community

http://www.devendrakulam.org/

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I am just glad , we all know what is impure blood all you folks who happen to be from a mixed marrige please avoid india as you might be impure blood and you might have to face certain backlash

 

[Kabira]

Europeans also had castes . Caste itself is a European ( Portugese ) word . Hello is some one forgetting about estates of French society ( nobles clergy and commoners )

But there was no racial difference between them. While there is in India even if small at this point after thousands of years. Which may give impression that skin color play role in caste systems. This isn't the case because dark skinned brahmin will still be high caste compared to light skinned dalit.

 

[Arsalan mehmud]

Hahahahahahahaha... Original face exposed..

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Let's call a spade a spade bro.

Impure blood when it mixes.

But non Indian blood for centuries even millennia has been considered inferior blood.

How do you explain the term Mlecchas?

It's a term for outsiders , barbarians and those of foreign tongue . For quite some time Greeks were called barbarians .

 

[padamchen]

But there was no racial difference between them. While there is in India even if small at this point after thousands of years. Which may give impression that skin color play role in caste systems. This isn't the case because dark skinned brahmin will still be high caste compared to light skinned dalit.

Both of you are correct in a way. What started out as a racial thing, over time morphed and got corrupted and evolved for self serving convenience as Aryans realised there were too many Dravidians to kill, and an uncomfortable truce and informal cleave lines geographically and culturally were established over centuries.

 

[HAIDER]

I send to my boss ...........he is from south.. lolz.. o shitzz.. he will fire me.............. lolzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[padamchen]

It's a term for outsiders , barbarians and those of foreign tongue . For quite some time Greeks were called barbarians .

It's used specifically to blood and bloodlines from anywhere north or west of the Hindu Kush.

Specifically, non Vedic bloodlines. Including and especially closely related Aryan ones, the Persians.

The Persians on their part were equally racist. Referring to their Vedic cousins as D'heras.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

But there was no racial difference between them. While there is in India even if small at this point after thousands of years. Which may give impression that skin color play role in caste systems. This isn't the case because dark skinned brahmin will still be high caste compared to light skinned dalit.

But the higher estates oppressed the lower estate which was one of the reasons of French revolution . Caste is not racial . Castes are also present in Sikhs and Muslims .

Yup but not because of Colour . It's because of family lineage of birth . It was basically based on occupation and is pretty similar to western society . After occupation became heriditery , castes became rigid stoping the movement in caste . That is why a cobler stayed cobler for 1000 years and teachers remained teachers .

The system was abused by people there is no denying that .

It's used specifically to blood and bloodlines from anywhere north or west of the Hindu Kush.

Specifically, non Vedic bloodlines. Including and especially closely related Aryan ones, the Persians.

The Persians on their part were equally racist. Referring to their Vedic cousins as D'heras.

May be but I am not sure .

 

[padamchen]

Maybe the keeper of our history, Professor @Joe Shearer could add to the subject.

It's turning out to be a thread with potential, sadly for those who came only to troll and use it as a stick to beat us with.

 

[Kabira]

Both of you are correct in a way. What started out as a racial thing, over time morphed and got corrupted and evolved for self serving convenience as Aryans realised there were too many Dravidians to kill, and an uncomfortable truce and informal cleave lines geographically and culturally were established over centuries.

Even original dravidians are not natives to India. India is most fertile region in the world with tropical jungles. It supported large population since ancient times in small area. First invasion was from west asia in neolithic era perhaps. Caucasoid people but at the same time not as light as aryans. More like current day west asian people who mixed with native Indians. Back then there was balance between how many west asians migrated and native Indians. Today most of India population is mixture of west asian and native Indian but without steppe mixture apart from small minority of high castes like brahmins or north west Indians irrespective of castes.

Then thousands of years later aryans started moving in but by that time India population was large. And even now not many live in Russian steppes so imagine back then. Small numbers aryans couldn't kill or even displace native population which by that time and even now was mixed west asian and native Indian. But they were successful in replacing language, religion, way of life and at the same time leaving behind enough genes to be detected in DNA tests if not looking at faces of so called high caste brahmins like Tarun Vijay.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

‘Early Tamil society was free of caste’

At a time when caste is all pervasive in Tamil society, a new book by V.S. Rajam, former professor of the Pennsylvania University, said the ideas of caste discrimination and untochability find no reference in Sangam Tamil literature.

“I could not find casteism and untouchability in Sangam literature, but found them only in the commentaries on Silapathikaram by Adiyarkku Nallar and U.Ve. Swaminatha Iyer and Nammazhawar’s Thiruvaimozhi ,” she has said in her forthcoming book Sanga Ilakkiyangalil Saathi, Theendami, Inna pira (Caste, Untouchability etc., in Sangam Literature).

She contended that Ilango Adigal described the goldsmith as “ vilangu nadai selavin….kollan ” which was vastly different from Adiyarkku Nallar’s rendering of “as he was a man of low caste, he stood aside for the upper caste man”

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-pape...-society-was-free-of-caste/article7262291.ece

During 16th Century AD, Nayak King passed a law ordering people not to have any contact with the Pandian dynasity (in general with Mallas) and prevented the 18 communities that supported the Tamil Kings from having contact with one another and from inter-marriage between these communities. (This was the origin of Untouchability and modern caste division in Tamilnadu). The Mallars were ex-communicated, then gradually over the next 300 years, their lands were removed and given to other new formed upper castes that were loyal to Telugu Kings. The Mallars were named as Pallas and were made as agricultural labourers in the land in which they were once owners. Then after a few generations they were made as bonded labourers and then were removed of all basic human rights ( Prevented from having education, access to public places and Temples built by their own ancestors, prohibition from wearing Ornaments and dress on the upper part of the body, shoes etc).

To hide the truth that all Temples built upto 16th Century AD were built by the ancestors of these people, attempts were made to hide Temple Paintings by redrawing new paintings on the old ones (Tanjavur Periya Koyil, Mariamman Koyil). During 1932 when British gave self-autonomy to Indians, 1000s of new castes sprung up claiming superiority on one over the other. Several actions were directed by other communities to keep the Pallas at a low profile for fear of the other communities (new formed higher castes) loosing their claim for high caste and land ownership. In 1957 the Pallar, Devendrakula Vellalar Community was included to the Scheduled Caste by Kamaraj, then Chief minister of Tamilnadu, owing to the poverty of the community

http://www.devendrakulam.org/

Similarly there were no castes in North India . In the Mauryan emipre society was made up of 7 groups and there was no slavery . First incident of sati appears in Gupta age . In Gupta age many scriptures were rewritten and compiled which led to many new things being added . Castes became rigid after the fall of Gupta's .

Any way manusamiriti isn't much important and there are too many versions of it with lot of differences which renders it useless just like bhavishya purana .

Purusha sukta of rig Veda may have been added later when castes became a social norm .

 

[shahbaz baig]