If India supports freedom in Crimea, why not in Kashmir?

[M. Sarmad]

You will be also amazed to learn that nobody in Kashmir wants to join Pakistan or get independet from India.Yeah there is a small secation of people from Kashmir valley but they do not necessarily want to join Pakistan but only independence from India.

The number of Indian troops in Jammu and Kashmir is close to 600,000 ... So your claim is logically unacceptable

 

[jarves]

Back to my question, why won't India hold a referendum to clear the air once in for all?

Read the U.N. resolutions.

The number of Indian troops in Jammu and Kashmir is close to 600,000 ... So your claim is logically unacceptable

The troops are to neutralise Ultra's from across the border.

 

[RazPaK]

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris and they don't want to join with nangay bhookay Indians.

This is according to India's own Arundhati Roy.

 

[OrionHunter]

Mr 'Think Tank Analyst', what is the connection between Kashmir and Crimea? NONE! Crimea was part of Russia in the 50s when it was gifted to Ukraine by Khrushchev. Russia just annulled the gift and took it back.

The history of Kashmir is totally different and cannot be equated with Crimea.

 

[kaykay]

The number of Indian troops in Jammu and Kashmir is close to 600,000 ... So your claim is logically unacceptable

Thats what Pakistani media tells. Actual number is close to 2 lakhs.

 

[M. Sarmad]

The troops are to neutralise Ultra's from across the border.

According to Indian military sources, the completion of fence along LOC in 2004 had reduced by 80% the numbers of militants who routinely cross into the Indian side of the disputed state to attack soldiers.

But the number of Indian troops remains the same in IOK. How would you explain this ?

 

[OrionHunter]

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris and they don't want to join with nagay bhookay Indians.

Did you know that your so called 'nangay bhookay' Indians are subsidizing Kashmiris to the tune of a mind boggling Rs 50,000 crores per year including aids and grants?? Can the Kashmiris do without it? Can Pakistan give them similar doles? Nope!

 

[M. Sarmad]

Thats what Pakistani media tells. Actual number is close to 2 lakhs.

Humanitarian abuses
Main article: Human rights abuses in Jammu and Kashmir
Some analysts have suggested that the number of Indian troops in Jammu and Kashmir is close to 600,000 although estimates vary and the Indian government refuses to release official figures.[45]These troops have engaged in widespread humanitarian abuses[41]

 

[scorpionx]

Resolution of the Commission of January 5, 1949

The United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan, Having received from the Governments of India and Pakistan, in communications dated 23 December and 25 December 1948, respectively, their acceptance of the following principles which are supplementary to the Commission's Resolution of 13 August 1948:

1. The question of the accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan will be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite;

2. A plebiscite will be held when it shall be found by the Commission that the cease-fire and truce arrangements set forth in Parts I and II of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948 have been carried out and arrangements for the plebiscite have been completed;
3.
(a) The Secretary-General of the United Nations will, in agreement with the Commission, nominate a Plebiscite Administrator who shall be a personality of high international standing and commanding general confidence. He will be formally appointed to office by the Government of Jammu and Kashmir.
(b) The Plebiscite Administrator shall derive from the State of Jammu and Kashmir the powers he considers necessary for organizing and conducting the plebiscite and for ensuring the freedom and impartiality of the plebiscite.
(c) The Plebiscite Administrator shall have authority to appoint such staff of assistants and observes as he may require.
4.
(a) After implementation of Parts I and II of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948, and when the Commission is satisfied that peaceful conditions have been restored in the State, the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator will determine, in consultation with the Government of India, the final disposal of Indian and State armed forces, such disposal to be with due regard to the security of the State and the freedom of the plebiscite.
(b) As regards the territory referred to in A.2 of Part II of the resolution of 13 August, final disposal of the armed forces in that territory will be determined by the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator in consultation with the local authorities.
5. All civil and military authorities within the State and the principal political elements of the State will be required to co-operate with the Plebiscite Administrator in the preparation for the holding of the plebiscite.
6.
(a) All citizens of the State who have left it on account of the disturbances will be invited and be free to return and to exercise all their rights as such citizens. For the purpose of facilitating repatriation there shall be appointed two Commissions, one composed of nominees of India and the other of nominees of Pakistan. The Commission shall operate under the direction of the Plebiscite Administrator. The Governments of India and Pakistan and all authorities within the State of Jammu and Kashmir will collaborate with the Plebiscite Administrator in putting this provision into effect.
(b) All person (other than citizens of the State) who on or since 15 August 1947 have entered it for other than lawful purpose, shall be required to leave the State.
7. All authorities within the State of Jammu and Kashmir will undertake to ensure, in collaboration with the Plebiscite Administrator, that:
(a) There is no threat, coercion or intimidation, bribery or other undue influence on the voters in the plebiscite;
(b) No restrictions are placed on legitimate political activity throughout the State. All subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste or party, shall be safe and free in expressing their views and in voting on the question of the accession of the State to India or Pakistan. There shall be freedom of the press, speech and assembly and freedom of travel in the State, including freedom of lawful entry and exit;
(c) All political prisoners are released;
(d) Minorities in all parts of the State are accorded adequate protection; and
(e) There is no victimization.
8. The Plebiscite Administrator may refer to the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan problems on which he may require assistance, and the Commission may in its discretion call upon the Plebiscite Administrator to carry out on its behalf any of the responsibilities with which it has been entrusted;
9. At the conclusion of the plebiscite, the Plebiscite Administrator shall report the result thereof to the Commission and to the Government of Jammu and Kashmir. The Commission shall then certify to the Security Council whether the plebiscite has or has not been free and impartial;
10. Upon the signature of the truce agreement the details of the foregoing proposals will be elaborated in the consultations envisaged in Part III of the Commission's resolution of 13 August 1948. The Plebiscite Administrator will be fully associated in these consultations;

Commends the Governments of India and Pakistan for their prompt action in ordering a cease-fire to take effect from one minute before midnight of 1 January 1949, pursuant to the agreement arrived at as provided for by the Commission's Resolution of 13 August 1948; and
Resolves to return in the immediate future to the Sub-continent to discharge the responsibilities imposed upon it by the Resolution of 13 August 1948 and by the foregoing principles.

But you said it was Mountbatten who wanted a plebiscite in 1947. Why are you siting UN resolution which occasioned after 1947-48 war?

 

[RazPaK]

Did you know that your so called 'nangay bhookay' Indians are subsidizing Kashmiris to the tune of a mind boggling Rs 50,000 crores per year including aids and grants?? Can the Kashmiris do without it? Can Pakistan give them similar doles? Nope!

You can also buy a hooker with money but she'll never love you.

Look at the Kashmiri students and how you Indians got butt-hurt by their support for the Pakistani cricket team.

 

[jarves]

According to Indian military sources, the completion of fence along LOC in 2004 had reduced by 80% the numbers of militants who routinely cross into the Indian side of the disputed state to attack soldiers.

But the number of Indian troops remains the same in IOK. How would you explain this ?

The reason is simple,Pakistan attacked us in 1965 and then again in 1999,in short Pakistan cannot be trusted,it may attack us and capture some parts of Kashmir again also if we will reduce the troops infiltration will rise again.Add to that we had to neutralise some fundoo's responsible for massacre of Pundits or to avoid it again.

 

[kaykay]

Humanitarian abuses
Main article: Human rights abuses in Jammu and Kashmir
Some analysts have suggested that the number of Indian troops in Jammu and Kashmir is close to 600,000 although estimates vary and the Indian government refuses to release official figures.[45]These troops have engaged in widespread humanitarian abuses[41]

'some analysts'. Mainly Pakistanis and sympathisers.

 

[jarves]

But you said it was Mountbatten who wanted a plebiscite in 1947. Why are you siting UN resolution which occasioned after 1947-48 war?

@manlion That's exactly my point,we are perfectly aware of the U.N. resolutions.I am asking for the proof that Mountbatted wanted plebiscite in 1947.

@kaykay @Azlan Haider This is one of my best threads...........


Myth of 700000 forces in kashmir

 

[khujliwal]

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris and they don't want to join with nangay bhookay Indians.

This is according to India's own Arundhati Roy.

RazPak, most Indians are not as rich as you are (Frankly speaking, I couldn't afford those glares in your pic when I was at your age), but bhookay nangay too much ho gaya. Be kind to poor my rich toddler friend.

 

[RazPaK]

RazPak, most Indians are not as rich as you are (Frankly speaking, I couldn't afford those glares in your pic when I was at your age), but bhookay nangay too much ho gaya. Be kind to poor my rich toddler friend.

I never said it, it was Arundhati Roy who did.