If China has full control over the Galwan Valley, is it time to take back Siachen?

[Aspen]

I have seen multiple people saying that if China took full control of entire Galwan Valley and Pangong Tso, there's a good chance we can take back Siachen.

Even by the lukewarm standards of Bajwa's resistance to go on the offensive and launch any major front in Kashmir across LOC, Pakistan has duked it out over Siachen not that long ago.

What are the odds that Pakistan realistically takes back Siachen given new changes on the ground in Galwan Valley and Pangong Tso?

 

[ziaulislam]

I have seen multiple people saying that if China took full control of entire Galwan Valley and Pangong Tso, there's a good chance we can take back Siachen.

Even by the lukewarm standards of Bajwa's resistance to go on the offensive and launch any major front in Kashmir across LOC, Pakistan has duked it out over Siachen not that long ago.

What are the odds that Pakistan realistically takes back Siachen given new changes on the ground in Galwan Valley and Pangong Tso?

no..siachen is no man's land..let india sit over there...
however, this gives us an opportunity to see if India will leave it voluntarily..
india has offered to leave siachin if we accept siachen as part of india controlled territory..this shows how difficult and expensive it is to maintain a presence there (for line of control purposes i.e a cease-fire line)

what really matters is kashmir valley and Jammu valley rest will fall to who ever grans these two..

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

Siachen is easy to take if we don't allow any air supplies while we block land routies as well.

 

[khansaheeb]

I have seen multiple people saying that if China took full control of entire Galwan Valley and Pangong Tso, there's a good chance we can take back Siachen.

Even by the lukewarm standards of Bajwa's resistance to go on the offensive and launch any major front in Kashmir across LOC, Pakistan has duked it out over Siachen not that long ago.

What are the odds that Pakistan realistically takes back Siachen given new changes on the ground in Galwan Valley and Pangong Tso?

We don't need to take Siachen, let the Indian troops suffer on top of the peaks.

 

[GumNaam]

YESSSS!!!!!! Take it ALL, give nothing back!

 

[koolio]

We don't need to take Siachen, let the Indian troops suffer on top of the peaks.

Yes you are spot on, Siachen is a icy watershed that serves no purpose at all. Some of the Indians are saying its to keep an eye on KKH, but KKH is way too far out.

 

[Waterboy]

Bajwa's resistance to go on the offensive and launch any major front in Kashmir across LOC

What make's you think India won't activate the IB and rest of the border. Don't want another kargil fiasco where the airforce and navy were not taken into confidence, with no war time preparedness. If you wanna do something like this be prepared for an all out war. Our economy is in shambles, troop are stretched thin on eastern border. We might as well give India a valid reason to mount an offensive on GB.

 

[TNT]

I have seen multiple people saying that if China took full control of entire Galwan Valley and Pangong Tso, there's a good chance we can take back Siachen.

Even by the lukewarm standards of Bajwa's resistance to go on the offensive and launch any major front in Kashmir across LOC, Pakistan has duked it out over Siachen not that long ago.

What are the odds that Pakistan realistically takes back Siachen given new changes on the ground in Galwan Valley and Pangong Tso?

No need to take siachen alone. What will siachen give us? We need to wait and prepare for bigger and ultimate goal to take back whole Kashmir and muslim areas of ladakh.

 

[AUz]

Lol, come on....we need to be better than indians. Lets not willy nilly open threads "Should we take XYZ land now?"

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Siachen is easy to take if we don't allow any air supplies while we block land routies as well.

Land routes for Indian Army can only be stopped through Galwan Valley. This is what China is doing now. Next year will be very interesting if China manages to do that than Pakistan Army will make a move next year after winter.

No need to take siachen alone. What will siachen give us?

LOL strategic value of Siachen is immense since after that its GB/Karakoram pass. CPEC route.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

 

[Arsalan 345]

it is very important for Pakistan. probably not important for India because Pakistan and china already use Karakorum highway road which is far from siachen.
why it's important for Pakistan?
if we recapture siachen, we can connect directly to aksai chin.china is a friendly country so direct connection of siachen with aksai chin allow our troops to attack Indian regions from behind,exposing them completely.we can use artillery from siachen to target many major places in their occupied Kashmir.
Siachen is a tactical victory for India unfortunately Pakistan doesn't make good strategies and that's why we are in this position. we should capture it at all cost in case of war. obviously in case of limited conflict,capture of siachen will play a crucial role.

I have seen multiple people saying that if China took full control of entire Galwan Valley and Pangong Tso, there's a good chance we can take back Siachen.

Even by the lukewarm standards of Bajwa's resistance to go on the offensive and launch any major front in Kashmir across LOC, Pakistan has duked it out over Siachen not that long ago.

What are the odds that Pakistan realistically takes back Siachen given new changes on the ground in Galwan Valley and Pangong Tso?

right now,there is no chance.capturing peaks is the hardest thing to do for any military. they launched meghdoot just because they were aware of our plans,thanks to British company that provided detail to Indian army about our plans. we lost siachen but we can recapture it because it's very important for us.we can target Indian Kashmir from siachen.also we can attack Indian Kashmir through aksai chin because recapture of siachen will link us directly to aksai chin which is massive but for troop movement,still Karakorum highway is the best.
they are helping us,i mean Chinese. if they block dbo link, Indian forces in Karakorum will be trapped which could be the easiest mission for Pakistan but India will never allow it.it will open more fronts.this is what they always do.
sorry one more important thing.we can control our share of water because they can build dams near siachen to control our water and they can release floods in our region. siachen is very important.

 

[TNT]

Land routes for Indian Army can only be stopped through Galwan Valley. This is what China is doing now. Next year will be very interesting if China manages to do that than Pakistan Army will make a move next year after winter.



LOL strategic value of Siachen is immense since after that its GB/Karakoram pass. CPEC route.

No one denies strategic value of siachen but remember the huge cost associated with it too. So if instead of hastily trying to get siachen like in 1999 kargil war, we should instead prepare for a bigger capture of area including siachen. A good start would be to infiltrate from kargil till galwan, from kargil till srinagar and from shakar garh and gujarat til kishtawar national park. At the same time be prepared for war on IB. A limited "field test" of tactical nukes near IB will be enough to deter indians there.

 

[Nasr]

A smart military selects it's battlefields, at the time and place of it's choosing. It's clueless people who are devoid of any strategic depth in planning, that suggest otherwise. Pakistan cannot and shall not conduct war, when it's economy is weakened by scum traitors like Nawaz Sharif, Asif Zardari and Benazir Bhutto. Particularly not when within our midst, we have parasitic scum like land mafias, wheat mafias, diesel mafias, sugar mafias, lawyer mafias and etc.

A nation which is educated (not scribbled degrees from high ranking universities), it has the sense to determine it's future by shaping it's present with real action to address endemic problems that plague the country. For Pakistan to achieve decisive victory as a nation, it has to address certain core issues immediately and decisively.

1. The complete and comprehensive destruction and elimination of corruption in all sectors of government, law enforcement, judiciary and regulatory authorities.

2. A systematic and complete overhaul of the country's debt, by eliminating all foreign debt and ensuring by law that no future government EVER takes on any external debt ever again.

3. An independent, self-sustaining and structurally robust foreign policy. No chumming with zionist states (america, britain, france, australia, canada and netherlands). No more falling at the feet of saudi, qatari, kuwaiti, emirati or bahraini puppet sheikhdoms.

4. Educational overhaul by eliminating all private sector school mafias, profiteering from the increasingly shrinking Pakistani Middle Class. Ensure quality education comes free for the poor children and ensure that their education has the core principles of Islam built in them (not jahil mullahs).

5. The complete and utter destruction of the feudal system. No more wadayras, tribal land cartels, in particular, Sindh Province.

A nation which is united, particularly under the banner of Real Islam, educated, being aware of accountability and conscious of moral obligation of fellow Muslim Pakistanis (and non-Muslim minorities). Such a nation can and will not only take back Siachen, but also Kashmir.

 

[BATMAN]

Before doing so, close down previous trial on Kargil war.

Not even in 100 years this country can produce a visionary and brave leader like Pervez Musharraf, who was wasted by the long marches of a pagan.