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My point still stands, even if you take NATO/US out of the equation. The number of US troops in Afghanistan will drop to 8,800 by the end of this year, and it is going to steadily drop to zero within a few years.

Pakistan's only concerns has been the border and India causing instability in the Pak-Afghan region.


Was that it??I wonder what fueled Pakistan's zeal of support towards Al Qaeda and Taliban before and post 2001 then..Pakistanis know very well that who these TTPs are and what capability India holds in Afghanistan.India doesn't even gets counted when something about Afghanistan gets discussed,while Pakistan takes the center stage.But sad,Pakistan misunderstood it as if they've authority over Afghanistan and its future.Tell me,all of these "RAW in Afghanistan thing",does it even have any basis??Some US politician made one remarks about it in 2011 who later retracted it,and thats it?What Pakistan's concerns are,everyone knows.A stable Afghanistan will defy Pakistan every way possible and might get a good relationship from its opponents,thus destroy them with proxies,which Pakistan was doing for 3 decades now.Tell me,where was India in 90s?Where was India in Afghanistan in 2000s?All we know about "Indian Presence" was this...

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Mofos(Pakistani proxy against India) taking IA flight to Kandahar and mofos(Pakistani proxy against Afghanistan) guarding it.40% of Taliban ranks are filled with Pakistanis itself,making it largest mercenary force,and Pakistanis take proud everywhere when Taliban kills afghans or run over some districts.And when some offshoots does the same thing in Pakistan,its Indian proxy or NDS proxy or CIA proxy,doesn't it??

The day Pakistan will stop sending support to these proxies,will be the day when these mofos will surrender without uttering a single word.But Pakistan never will,like Kashmir.And Afghanistan will have to grind these mofos down over a decade.Only problem is,Afghanistan didn't yet take a solid step to stop this terrorist influxes,which worked like wonder for India.
 
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Was that it??I wonder what fueled Pakistan's zeal of support towards Al Qaeda and Taliban before and post 2001 then..Pakistanis know very well that who these TTPs are and what capability India holds in Afghanistan.India doesn't even gets counted when something about Afghanistan gets discussed,while Pakistan takes the center stage.But sad,Pakistan misunderstood it as if they've authority over Afghanistan and its future.Tell me,all of these "RAW in Afghanistan thing",does it even have any basis??Some US politician made one remarks about it in 2011 who later retracted it,and thats it?What Pakistan's concerns are,everyone knows.A stable Afghanistan will defy Pakistan every way possible and might get a good relationship from its opponents,thus destroy them with proxies,which Pakistan was doing for 3 decades now.Tell me,where was India in 90s?Where was India in Afghanistan in 2000s?All we know about "Indian Presence" was this...

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Mofos(Pakistani proxy against India) taking IA flight to Kandahar and mofos(Pakistani proxy against Afghanistan) guarding it.40% of Taliban ranks are filled with Pakistanis itself,making it largest mercenary force,and Pakistanis take proud everywhere when Taliban kills afghans or run over some districts.And when some offshoots does the same thing in Pakistan,its Indian proxy or NDS proxy or CIA proxy,doesn't it??

The day Pakistan will stop sending support to these proxies,will be the day when these mofos will surrender without uttering a single word.But Pakistan never will,like Kashmir.And Afghanistan will have to grind these mofos down over a decade.Only problem is,Afghanistan didn't yet take a solid step to stop this terrorist influxes,which worked like wonder for India.


You should use the same restraint on your analysis of "Pakistani presence" in Afghanistan as you did of "Indian presence". If we had so much say on the ground in Afghanistan then how did we miss 9/11? Why couldn't we convince Taliban to hand over Osama bin Laden? We all know Taliban refused to talk about Durand line with Pakistan even when Afghanistan was isolated. Come on!

As for now, if we're so deeply involved in Afghanistan then why don't we take out TTP? The answer is simple. Pakistan can't dictate anything, we just want to have good relations with Afghanistan but we do have a trust deficit with India and for good reasons. Kulbhushan Yadav is not exactly a confidence booster, one might say.
 
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we're talking about Pakistan here,man..

Please don't drag USA in the picture.


Yeah about Pakistan: some little details a brother posted for u:
>red dragon trades with India
>takes indian money & invests in CPEC (lol)
>Thousands of Pakistani flags being raised in Kashmir
>IOK suffering from 6000 caror tourism loss in the last 1.5 months
>RAW completely failing in Baluchistan
>Bramdagh seeking dialogue with Pakistan
>Russia/Pakistan on a tight military/economic partnership schedule
>Torkham border sealed
>RAW funded Afghan hounds bombed & Silenced at Torkham
>1200km trench/fence on afghan/Iran border
>Tactical Nasr Nukes as first-strike policy
>M777 howitzer deal incomplete
>TEJAS still not in production
>Indian stock exchange lowest in the region
>25+ seperatis movements in India

List goes on...

After we're done with you folks you'd be begging for scraps in the region as China, Iran, Afghanistan & Russian abandon you as an ally for their social & economic progress through Gawadar
 
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Pakistan is there due to its cultural, religious and neighbourly links, and especailly due to Indian interfernce in Afghanistan and sponsoring terrorism from Afghanistan into Pakistan. Iran is there because its the neighbour, and some shia links in Afghanistan, and China is there due to its millions of dollars of investments in Afghanistan...in all cases each country, Pakistan, Iran and China are trying its best not to get involved in Afghan Political affairs...but who is going to save failed state Afghanistan from the further collapse which is coming now.
If Afghanistan collapses due to a civil war, then that would be bad news for Pakistan as the spillover would not be possible to contain. The world would blame Pakistan due its support to the Haqqani network/Taliban which Pakistan has been propping up and actively supporting since 2001. That's the root cause of the chaos that prevails there.

Yeah about Pakistan: some little details a brother posted for u:
>red dragon trades with India
>takes indian money & invests in CPEC (lol)
>Thousands of Pakistani flags being raised in Kashmir
>IOK suffering from 6000 caror tourism loss in the last 1.5 months
>RAW completely failing in Baluchistan
>Bramdagh seeking dialogue with Pakistan
>Russia/Pakistan on a tight military/economic partnership schedule
>Torkham border sealed
>RAW funded Afghan hounds bombed & Silenced at Torkham
>1200km trench/fence on afghan/Iran border
>Tactical Nasr Nukes as first-strike policy
>M777 howitzer deal incomplete
>TEJAS still not in production
>Indian stock exchange lowest in the region
>25+ seperatis movements in India

List goes on...

After we're done with you folks you'd be begging for scraps in the region as China, Iran, Afghanistan & Russian abandon you as an ally for their social & economic progress through Gawadar
:woot: :omghaha: This stupidity is epic! OMG! What delusions! You guys live in cuckoo land! :wacko:
 
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Thank you for the tag, brother. Its quite sad that some Afghan elites prefer to pick fights with Pakistan instead of developing their country. We all know Afghanistan badly needs development.

Having said that, people from bigger provinces in Pakistan don't know how to deal with Afghans. You essentially need to put on kid gloves or these hostilities will continue forever. While some of the things Achakzai does and say in Afghanistan are seen as anti-Pakistan, he is actually dealing with Afghans in kid gloves. Its not all that different from McCain coming to Pakistan and criticising Obama.

On the topic, I'm not happy to see such a provocative opinion piece in a Pakistani newspaper. This sort of narrative will push Afghans into the arms of India. The fact that Tribune, run by NYTimes, is pushing this narrative makes me question this opinion piece all that much more. Instead of this narrative, we should be promoting the good work Pakistan is doing in Afghanistan, which we all know there is plenty. Why not publish the interviews of Afghan students living in Pakistan? Why not give Afghan students in Pakistan a voice? Because these people can communicate to Afghans far better than you and I. Look at it this way, you are a Pakistani who lives in Britain, and even though I have access to internet, you're better placed to speak to Pakistanis, on behalf of Britian, and to the British people, on behalf of Pakistan, because you understand the subtleties.
Those who have power in Kabul will never accept Pakistan. They will consistently churn out anti Pakistan propaganda.
Pakistan should try to show Afghans the positives she has done but Kabul does not care.
 
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Sad to say, most of your argument are fantasy talk. There is little logic in them and, more importantly, no evidence. However, let me indulge you in the hopes you can become rational in your analysis of Pakistan, just as you are when it comes to India.

And one should also wonder why OBL stayed in Pakistan,totally undetected?? :lol:


Further proves my point that Pakistan does not have any designs for Afghanistan when there are intelligence lapses at home.

Logic says,both are Pakistani proxy.So instead of handing over,Pakistan invited them in their home,so that this could go on and on and on.Well,OBL and Mullah Omar,both died in Pakistan,so did Mullah Mansoor.And USA was alleging the same since 2001,doesn't they?


Correction: Fantasy talk.

In reality, Mullah Mansoor was entering Pakistan from Iran where his family lives. Unfortunately, Pakistan has allowed Afghan refugees to settle anywhere they like rather than restricting them to specific camps which is how most countries, including Iran, have dealt with Afghan refugees. Putting them in a camp is harsh so we choose to deal with Afghans more humanely. This has meant we have lost track of thousands of Afghan refugees. It has also led to Afghan refugees obtaining fake IDs and travelling on Pakistani passports. The case of Mullah Mansoor is a mere reflection of this reality.

The fact that OBL was in Pakistan highlights what I said earlier, we simply do not have any designs for Afghanistan when there are intelligence failures at home. And it was a intelligence failure since US has not put forth any evidence that OBL had links with the state or even military. If US had found links, it would be plastered in every newspaper. There simply isn't any.

As for Mullah Omar and his death in Pakistan, according to Ministry of Foreign Affairs figures, some 90% of Afghans who seek medical treatment abroad travel to Pakistan. A lot of them get free medical treatment. In fact, some months back it became a big issue when Imran Khan said a Taliban leader had written a letter to thank him for medical care he received at Shaukat Khanum Memorial Cancer Hospital where a lot of poor people get free cancer treatment. Imran Khan had no clue, he didn't know the Taliban leader, he was shocked as everyone but that is the ground reality. Again, Mullah Omar getting medical treatment is no different than thousand of Afghans who get medical treatment across Pakistan. No one becomes suspicious if an Afghan walks into a hospital in Pakistan seeking treatment because its so common. Worse still, Mullah Omar is a Pashtun. The second biggest ethnic group in Pakistan is Pashtun. How does one differentiate? You can't.

And Pakistan is taking out TTP,don't they?But they're leaving everything else untouched.Haqqanis,Talibans,LeTs to name a few.I wonder,how come Pakistan misses that big?


TTP leadership is based in Afghanistan. Taliban do not need Pakistan when they control huge territory in Afghanistan. Perhaps they may have used Pakistani territory in the past due to our policy of appeasement and lack of action. That gave space to TTP and surely to many others. This is no longer the case since Operation Zarb-e-Azb however the impression continues. It takes time for perceptions to change. In fact, Sen. John McCain was quite impressed when he visited North Waziristan.

Logic says,Pakistan doesn't want to stabilize relationship with neighbors.Like Papa USA,they do like instability.But unlike USA,they can't make benefit on long term.Because they lack capability that is required.Pakistan knows,any strong afghan govt will kick a dust storm so big,that it'll be a big problem for Pakistan.Till it gets engaged in civil war and power tussels,they can't take the fight to Pakistan itself.


So you accept Pakistan lacks capability? Now you only have to go a step further and realise that not only do we lack capability, we don't have any designs for Afghanistan, aggressive or otherwise.

Now some wonders,how India will gain from it??India likes that as well.The defeat of Taliban,or fall of Afghanistan govt,both will divert Pakistani hordes in Kashmir.rather keep it fluid,let the fighting happen in Afghan-Pakistan border than India-Pakistan.Thats our motto.We'll keep us engaging,will train ANA,gives them hardware,but only that much,that will keep this cycle going,but towards a tilt to Afghan Govt.


No comments. This is your assessment of India so you know better.

Everyone knows,Afghanistan will grind their way to victory,every govt does.Only thing that'll ensure Pakistan doesn't support Taliban with PA and PAF(covertly) is USA/NATO presence.Deny them that space and Govt will handle this jehadi lots easily..


Speculation. The reality on the ground is quite different.

And Kulbhusan Yadav??Really??I mean,Really???Thats the best you've got??

Say hello to poster boys...

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Kulbhusan was a navy guy,and probably,a spy too.But what about these lot??And something like 50000+ of them are fighting in Afghanistan and in Kashmir.What about them as well??Good relationship..pffftt..


There is one key difference here. Kulbhushan Yadav is an active Indian serviceman while none of the poster boys have anything to do with Pakistan Army. As for the "50000+" number, its not based on reality. However, as I said earlier, there is a huge trust deficit between Pakistan and India. That's the reality.

To sum it all up, the point I've tried to make is that your analysis of India is more realistic than your analysis of Pakistan because you imagine there is more when there really isn't. It is no different than people who imagine 9/11 was a conspiracy. However, hard this may be for you to believe Pakistan never had much control over Afghanistan and neither do we have any now.

Those who have power in Kabul will never accept Pakistan. They will consistently churn out anti Pakistan propaganda.
Pakistan should try to show Afghans the positives she has done but Kabul does not care.


Precisely my point.

By publishing such an opinion piece, we are providing conformation to average Afghan that Pakistan doesn't want them to succeed which is what all the anti-Pakistan propaganda in Afghanistan says. We are essentially playing into the hands of anti-Pakistan elements in Afghanistan. The reality is Pakistan has no ill will towards Afghans or Afghanistan. We treated Afghan refugees like our own. We simply need to show the good work we are doing, which as I said there is plenty.
 
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Further proves my point that Pakistan does not have any designs for Afghanistan when there are intelligence lapses at home.

One doesn't say "We don't have him" when it comes to OBL without checking,that too for 11 years.One hell of a intelligence lapses I'd say when all big leaders of Taliban and Al Qaeda are living right next door but Pakistan govt claiming "We don't have him".Remind me to quote you when next time I visit some Dawood thread where Pakistan is claiming the same.Your logic is for kindergarten my friend.Whats next?Taliban getting nuke and Pakistan apologizing and terming it as "Security Lapses"??
Correction: Fantasy talk.

In reality, Mullah Mansoor was entering Pakistan from Iran where his family lives. Unfortunately, Pakistan has allowed Afghan refugees to settle anywhere they like rather than restricting them to specific camps which is how most countries, including Iran, have dealt with Afghan refugees. Putting them in a camp is harsh so we choose to deal with Afghans more humanely. This has meant we have lost track of thousands of Afghan refugees. It has also led to Afghan refugees obtaining fake IDs and travelling on Pakistani passports. The case of Mullah Mansoor is a mere reflection of this reality.

The fact that OBL was in Pakistan highlights what I said earlier, we simply do not have any designs for Afghanistan when there are intelligence failures at home. And it was a intelligence failure since US has not put forth any evidence that OBL had links with the state or even military. If US had found links, it would be plastered in every newspaper. There simply isn't any.

As for Mullah Omar and his death in Pakistan, according to Ministry of Foreign Affairs figures, some 90% of Afghans who seek medical treatment abroad travel to Pakistan. A lot of them get free medical treatment. In fact, some months back it became a big issue when Imran Khan said a Taliban leader had written a letter to thank him for medical care he received at Shaukat Khanum Memorial Cancer Hospital where a lot of poor people get free cancer treatment. Imran Khan had no clue, he didn't know the Taliban leader, he was shocked as everyone but that is the ground reality. Again, Mullah Omar getting medical treatment is no different than thousand of Afghans who get medical treatment across Pakistan. No one becomes suspicious if an Afghan walks into a hospital in Pakistan seeking treatment because its so common. Worse still, Mullah Omar is a Pashtun. The second biggest ethnic group in Pakistan is Pashtun. How does one differentiate? You can't.

Well,the way you differentiate Kulbhusan yadav from your lot.Do you even know what you're claiming in these quotes??That Pakistan Govt is most impotent government,who doesn't know top terrorist leaders are hiding in your country,recruiting in broad daylight,making IEDs in factories and waging war against Neighbor.I wonder,after posting this above,how'd you even be certain that Al Qaeda leaders are hiding right next door,right??Because,Pakistan pretty much doesn't know about anything..

Are you certain Pakistan Army are not killing TTPs but innocent civilians by droning them??I wonder,how'd they know thats the target??How they'd differentiate civilians with TTP scums??Doesn't seem to work that logic in conjunction with Af Taliban and Al Qaeda,right??

TTP leadership is based in Afghanistan. Taliban do not need Pakistan when they control huge territory in Afghanistan. Perhaps they may have used Pakistani territory in the past due to our policy of appeasement and lack of action. That gave space to TTP and surely to many others. This is no longer the case since Operation Zarb-e-Azb however the impression continues. It takes time for perceptions to change. In fact, Sen. John McCain was quite impressed when he visited North Waziristan.

Same can be said about Afghan Taliban as well,right??When their 2 top leaders got killed in Pakistani soil itself,along with OBL.

So you accept Pakistan lacks capability? Now you only have to go a step further and realise that not only do we lack capability, we don't have any designs for Afghanistan, aggressive or otherwise.

Pakistan lacks capability,yes.For Initiation,No.For Endgame,Yes.

Speculation. The reality on the ground is quite different.

Not a speculation when Mujahideens,whom Pakistan itself trained said so.I'd suggest you to read how Taliban got Afghanistan in the first place and whose air force bombed Mujahideen places post soviet withdrawal.

There is one key difference here. Kulbhushan Yadav is an active Indian serviceman while none of the poster boys have anything to do with Pakistan Army. As for the "50000+" number, its not based on reality. However, as I said earlier, there is a huge trust deficit between Pakistan and India. That's the reality.

To sum it all up, the point I've tried to make is that your analysis of India is more realistic than your analysis of Pakistan because you imagine there is more when there really isn't. It is no different than people who imagine 9/11 was a conspiracy. However, hard this may be for you to believe Pakistan never had much control over Afghanistan and neither do we have any now.

First,that guy was ex navy.Not "Active Member".

And trust deficit??Looks like I stumped you posting the pictures of your poster boys,just like your DP.Pakistan will reap what they sew,because what they forgot,others also know how to swing the game into their favor.Just like TTP..They were "Good" till they waged war on the master.Kind of a hint what can happen if Afghan Taliban swings their motive.You do know these are "Gun for hire",right?
 
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Sad to say, most of your argument are fantasy talk. There is little logic in them and, more importantly, no evidence. However, let me indulge you in the hopes you can become rational in your analysis of Pakistan, just as you are when it comes to India.




Further proves my point that Pakistan does not have any designs for Afghanistan when there are intelligence lapses at home.




Correction: Fantasy talk.

In reality, Mullah Mansoor was entering Pakistan from Iran where his family lives. Unfortunately, Pakistan has allowed Afghan refugees to settle anywhere they like rather than restricting them to specific camps which is how most countries, including Iran, have dealt with Afghan refugees. Putting them in a camp is harsh so we choose to deal with Afghans more humanely. This has meant we have lost track of thousands of Afghan refugees. It has also led to Afghan refugees obtaining fake IDs and travelling on Pakistani passports. The case of Mullah Mansoor is a mere reflection of this reality.

The fact that OBL was in Pakistan highlights what I said earlier, we simply do not have any designs for Afghanistan when there are intelligence failures at home. And it was a intelligence failure since US has not put forth any evidence that OBL had links with the state or even military. If US had found links, it would be plastered in every newspaper. There simply isn't any.

As for Mullah Omar and his death in Pakistan, according to Ministry of Foreign Affairs figures, some 90% of Afghans who seek medical treatment abroad travel to Pakistan. A lot of them get free medical treatment. In fact, some months back it became a big issue when Imran Khan said a Taliban leader had written a letter to thank him for medical care he received at Shaukat Khanum Memorial Cancer Hospital where a lot of poor people get free cancer treatment. Imran Khan had no clue, he didn't know the Taliban leader, he was shocked as everyone but that is the ground reality. Again, Mullah Omar getting medical treatment is no different than thousand of Afghans who get medical treatment across Pakistan. No one becomes suspicious if an Afghan walks into a hospital in Pakistan seeking treatment because its so common. Worse still, Mullah Omar is a Pashtun. The second biggest ethnic group in Pakistan is Pashtun. How does one differentiate? You can't.




TTP leadership is based in Afghanistan. Taliban do not need Pakistan when they control huge territory in Afghanistan. Perhaps they may have used Pakistani territory in the past due to our policy of appeasement and lack of action. That gave space to TTP and surely to many others. This is no longer the case since Operation Zarb-e-Azb however the impression continues. It takes time for perceptions to change. In fact, Sen. John McCain was quite impressed when he visited North Waziristan.




So you accept Pakistan lacks capability? Now you only have to go a step further and realise that not only do we lack capability, we don't have any designs for Afghanistan, aggressive or otherwise.




No comments. This is your assessment of India so you know better.




Speculation. The reality on the ground is quite different.




There is one key difference here. Kulbhushan Yadav is an active Indian serviceman while none of the poster boys have anything to do with Pakistan Army. As for the "50000+" number, its not based on reality. However, as I said earlier, there is a huge trust deficit between Pakistan and India. That's the reality.

To sum it all up, the point I've tried to make is that your analysis of India is more realistic than your analysis of Pakistan because you imagine there is more when there really isn't. It is no different than people who imagine 9/11 was a conspiracy. However, hard this may be for you to believe Pakistan never had much control over Afghanistan and neither do we have any now.




Precisely my point.

By publishing such an opinion piece, we are providing conformation to average Afghan that Pakistan doesn't want them to succeed which is what all the anti-Pakistan propaganda in Afghanistan says. We are essentially playing into the hands of anti-Pakistan elements in Afghanistan. The reality is Pakistan has no ill will towards Afghans or Afghanistan. We treated Afghan refugees like our own. We simply need to show the good work we are doing, which as I said there is plenty.
My point is that those who have power In Kabul do not care about the good things Pakistan is doing. All they want is the destruction/destabilization of Pakistan...since 1947 they have been salivating over this and trying. The only thing that will help the NATO puppet in Kabul to not be anti-Pakistan is for Pakistan to cease to exist.

Now the common Afghan is more amenable however they who have power will always try and deceive the commoners no matter what Pakistan does.

Pakistan's survival is on the line. Pakistan must adopt a zero tolerance to anything that threatens her: be it internal threats or external.
 
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One doesn't say "We don't have him" when it comes to OBL without checking,that too for 11 years.One hell of a intelligence lapses I'd say when all big leaders of Taliban and Al Qaeda are living right next door but Pakistan govt claiming "We don't have him".Remind me to quote you when next time I visit some Dawood thread where Pakistan is claiming the same.Your logic is for kindergarten my friend.Whats next?Taliban getting nuke and Pakistan apologizing and terming it as "Security Lapses"??


9/11 was an enormous intelligence lapse. Since 9/11 there have been plenty more intelligence lapses in United States and across the world. You can evaluate each intelligence lapse rationally or build a conspiracy web without a shred of evidence. If you make a claim then the burden of proof is on you. However, your post does not put forth any evidence.

Well,the way you differentiate Kulbhusan yadav from your lot.Do you even know what you're claiming in these quotes??That Pakistan Govt is most impotent government,who doesn't know top terrorist leaders are hiding in your country,recruiting in broad daylight,making IEDs in factories and waging war against Neighbor.I wonder,after posting this above,how'd you even be certain that Al Qaeda leaders are hiding right next door,right??Because,Pakistan pretty much doesn't know about anything..


This is more closer to reality. At the end of the day, all bureaucracy is impotent. It doesn't matter whether its ours, yours, Russian, Brazilian or American. This is why we need free market system. Put it this way, If my car breaks, my local MNA doesn't know how to fix it. He wouldn't even know how to fix a pothole. He can only ask others to do things. Look at 26/11 rationally and you'll see it was made worse because of unnecessary bureaucracy.

Not a speculation when Mujahideens,whom Pakistan itself trained said so.I'd suggest you to read how Taliban got Afghanistan in the first place and whose air force bombed Mujahideen places post soviet withdrawal.


Post-soviet withdrawal, Mujahideen fought PDPA. Besides Mujahideen were backed by US, China, and Arab states. If you want to fixate on Pakistan's role only then I can't stop you.

First,that guy was ex navy.Not "Active Member".

And trust deficit??Looks like I stumped you posting the pictures of your poster boys,just like your DP.Pakistan will reap what they sew,because what they forgot,others also know how to swing the game into their favor.Just like TTP..They were "Good" till they waged war on the master.Kind of a hint what can happen if Afghan Taliban swings their motive.You do know these are "Gun for hire",right?


Again, we have a trust deficit. I will not try to convince you one way or another. However, I am inclined to believe Kulbhushan Yadav. According to him, he is due for retirement in 2022. Though I imagine those plans are now on hold.
 
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My point is that those who have power In Kabul do not care about the good things Pakistan is doing. All they want is the destruction/destabilization of Pakistan...since 1947 they have been salivating over this and trying. The only thing that will help the NATO puppet in Kabul to not be anti-Pakistan is for Pakistan to cease to exist.

Now the common Afghan is more amenable however they who have power will always try and deceive the commoners no matter what Pakistan does.

Pakistan's survival is on the line. Pakistan must adopt a zero tolerance to anything that threatens her: be it internal threats or external.


I agree with you, brother.

Our soldiers have given huge sacrifices. Military families have lost their sons. The nation has suffered so much. We cannot move forward without concrete evidence that Northern Alliance regime in Kabul have changed its old ways which by the looks of it, it has not. At the same time, we need to remember we are a nuclear armed nation with a strong military and powerful friends. No matter how much anti-Pakistan venom Kabul spews, our attitude towards average Afghan shouldn't change because if it does then we are playing into the hands of Kabul. We are hospitable people. We must not forget that.
 
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Was that it??I wonder what fueled Pakistan's zeal of support towards Al Qaeda and Taliban before and post 2001 then..Pakistanis know very well that who these TTPs are and what capability India holds in Afghanistan.India doesn't even gets counted when something about Afghanistan gets discussed,while Pakistan takes the center stage.But sad,Pakistan misunderstood it as if they've authority over Afghanistan and its future.Tell me,all of these "RAW in Afghanistan thing",does it even have any basis??Some US politician made one remarks about it in 2011 who later retracted it,and thats it?What Pakistan's concerns are,everyone knows.A stable Afghanistan will defy Pakistan every way possible and might get a good relationship from its opponents,thus destroy them with proxies,which Pakistan was doing for 3 decades now.Tell me,where was India in 90s?Where was India in Afghanistan in 2000s?All we know about "Indian Presence" was this...

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Mofos(Pakistani proxy against India) taking IA flight to Kandahar and mofos(Pakistani proxy against Afghanistan) guarding it.40% of Taliban ranks are filled with Pakistanis itself,making it largest mercenary force,and Pakistanis take proud everywhere when Taliban kills afghans or run over some districts.And when some offshoots does the same thing in Pakistan,its Indian proxy or NDS proxy or CIA proxy,doesn't it??

The day Pakistan will stop sending support to these proxies,will be the day when these mofos will surrender without uttering a single word.But Pakistan never will,like Kashmir.And Afghanistan will have to grind these mofos down over a decade.Only problem is,Afghanistan didn't yet take a solid step to stop this terrorist influxes,which worked like wonder for India.
Nothing more than emotional propaganda.

Where was India in the 90s? Supporting the Northern Alliance, who were and are just as bad as the taliban.

Pakistan's support for AQ? Are you high? Pakistan demanded multiple times that the taliban hand over AQ's leadership to KSA in the late 90s.

Raw in Afghanistan is real, to believe otherwise is either being naive, or willfully blind.

Whether Pakistan interferes in Afghanistan or supports proxies won't change a damn thing. Learn Afghanistan's history, before spouting nonsense. Pakistan didn't exist, when the Anglo-Afghan wars happened, Pakistan didn't exist, when the Sikh empire took much of current Afghan territory, Pakistan didn't exist when Alexander marched through Afghanistan.

Pakistan's concerns since Day 1, when it comes to Afghanistan, has been the border and stability. Pakistan didn't start the border issue between the two, Afghanistan did (not to mention that Afghanistan, to this day doesn't even recognize the existence of Pakistan). Plus, as long as Afghanistan is unstable, or under Indian influence, Baluchistan has always suffered unrest. Why do you think that every single Afghan leader, since the independence of Pakistan, has talked about breaking Pakistan apart with the help of India? Even today, people like Karzai and Abdullah Abdullah talk about this very thing.

Non-interfering my ***. Afghanistan started this, when Afghans interfered in Pakistan, and now they can't stand the thought that Pakistan is not only stronger now (which it wasn't during the 50s), and is paying back what Afghans started.

Don't talk about things you have zero clue about.
 
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