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idrw: No Additional MKIs, focus to upgrades, phase wise Super Sukhoi by 2020, 1st phase 80 birds

We should go for 4 squadrons of pakfa....
Later we can go for further improvements aka mkised pakfa( fgfa)

That's what we are doing/ at least planned to do finger crossed

18 * 4 = 72
6 for Trainer
2 Reserve
Total = 80:cheers:

But new government can shatter our dream . They are unpredictable :enjoy:
 
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Pakistan has no money for a super costly 4++ gen aircraft.

But am worried about russian intent ! Even 20 -50 s35 won't change anything against IAF . But russians must assure us on their commitment
 
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But am worried about russian intent ! Even 20 -50 s35 won't change anything against IAF . But russians must assure us on their commitment

20-50 SU-35 for Pakistan?? :o::o:

please let them complete their JF-17 induction first.
 
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This was always the plan. India might go for 1 more sqds of Mig-29Ks but not MKIs anymore as we already have them in massive numbers. Anyway Super Sukhoi upgrades will take alot of time.....
 
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Super Sukhoi program will take some descent time as i believe the program upgrades will be much deeper than envisioned perhaps 3-5 years back. The ability to downsize a tech used in say 5th Gen PAKFA to Su30 MKI can give a massive upgrade in capabilities. Also it is correct to go batch by batch and 1st batch of 80 is a good number to begin with. Its gonna be a challenging work for HAL if the MLU is partially done in India. As certain tech is suppose to be of PAKFA, it needs to be seen what tech actually get shared and sent to HAL Nashik complex. An important part would be the engines so i hope we see an upgrade in heart as well with an AESA radar.
 
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what about 2 sqd of SU-35 for INAF in Andaman and Nicobar..the unsinkable ACC

Our Sukhoi are coming . Will be upgraded to super Sukhoi atleast 80 by 2020 . So one or two squadrons will be going for A&N duty . Even Russians bunked Su 35 and ordering 70 more su30 sm aka mki
 
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Our Sukhoi are coming . Will be upgraded to super Sukhoi atleast 80 by 2020 . So one or two squadrons will be going for A&N duty . Even Russians bunked Su 35 and ordering 70 more su30 sm aka mki
its tactical step to block any to pak
 
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its tactical step to block any to pak

Russians cant tilt towards pakistan . If I were modi ji I could put pressure and in the mean time wait for their moves . As we cant have untrustworthy as our bargaining chip against china . Good thry openly stated its not gonna happen

its tactical step to block any to pak

Russians cant tilt towards pakistan . If I were modi ji I could put pressure and in the mean time wait for their moves . As we cant have untrustworthy as our bargaining chip against china . Good thry openly stated its not gonna happen
 
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Russians cant tilt towards pakistan . If I were modi ji I could put pressure and in the mean time wait for their moves . As we cant have untrustworthy as our bargaining chip against china . Good thry openly stated its not gonna happen



Russians cant tilt towards pakistan . If I were modi ji I could put pressure and in the mean time wait for their moves . As we cant have untrustworthy as our bargaining chip against china . Good thry openly stated its not gonna happen
But if they did,we will be loser than Russia.
 
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But if they did,we will be loser than Russia.

So be it . What can we do for that beg to Putin ? Never .

Wrold is is so big for India to play its role . Any ways no one offended . Wr cant fall in foot of Putin can we ? Russia sold mi35 to Pakistan which may kill our 2 tanks who knows . Russia voiced against our AK ripoff and dint gave us full tot of t90 as promised . Russia developing cruisers nuclear power witj china . Because they dont have balls to confront china which openly produce j11 and anf their many weapons .


See we are nation of 1.2 billion if Mr Putin want to lose our friendship so be be it . Things will get un place for India with nato support even if we lose some advantage over our sovereignty . Doors are big bang opening for us to join Nato which will be very productive in taking on Pakistan and China .
 
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Can anyone tell me why is the anterior part of the canard of Su MKI always left unpainted ?

Does the paint interfere with the radar or some other thing ?
It may be somehow related with the cannon being there on the right side... May be to dispisate the heat.
 
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Actually this pak su35 story has a deeper meaning. What i got after talking some good thinkers and def researchers whom i know, i can conclusively write few things here...

1. The Su35 jet sale talks is more of testing the water by Pak to see how much really Russia is opened up to defense cooperation

2. Its true that Mi35 helos orders initially is 4 and based on cash position the deal can be expanded to a max of 14 helos but at a single time it will be 4 helos in a single tranche.

3. Pak is interested as a deal of 16 jets bought by Indonesia where rumoured sale package includes line of credit. So Pak is hoping if they can afford a 2-5 Bn line of credit, they also can get a squadron or two fit in via that route

4. The propaganda and the news in dawn newspaper was part of a much bigger media operation done at the behest of top pakistani leadership

5. Since US is a traditional supporter of Pak and consider Pak an important avenue for its fight against terror and rebuilding of Afganistan and dismantling of Haqqani like terror outfits, it is a straight drawn conclusion that USA wont like Pak cosying up too much with Russia.

6. USA may see it as an opportunity to ensure Russia faces further issues of economic sanctions by drying up Russian defence deals and may instead opt for allowing Pak access to say a squadron of F16s block 52 (16 are not yer delivered to pak). So either USA gives them fresh new F16s Block 52 delivered by say max 2019 or old ones asap. All that via some package which Senate may approve with the line "fight against terror"

7. In case USA does allow the potential talks between Russia and pak to succeed with successful conclusion of say a squadron or 2 sale of Su35, USA would then deploy its top white house officials including President Obama (inhis last days also as a president) to court India to join the USA block. USA will end up sharing with India latest tech gears and perhaps invite India to become a partner in F35 program in view of India's 5th Gen bird requirement.

8. Inspite of old friendship, at domestic front the indian government will face a lot of heat (read parliament disruptions and allegations of a failed foreign policy by INC+others/UPA members) to justify the participation and funding of PAKFA program and FGFA.

9. Seizing this opportunity Iran (a traditionally muslim country) can participate in Pakfa program and fund it. Something Russia is aware of and Pakistan does not mind PAKFA going to a islamic country.

10. All these chess board games just bcz of Nawaz Sharif going to USA. As he wants to leverage out the best deals and come back with some goodies to showcase a diplomatic victory either way and win suport of army and general public.

11. All the folks also said if something like this does happen (su35 sales) its for the best for India as then we will see a quick but decisive action on procurement bottlenecks and major impetus on domestic programs (LCA MK2/AMCA). Possibly F35 would come in IAF also besides IN. Rafale deal will then get much bigger to serve the time needed for domestic program delivery gestation.

I hope i covered all the angles of my discussions.. ANything else feel free to pls correct and add
 
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