IDF officer to Saudi paper: Israel has 'common language' with moderate Arab states

[jamahir]

Your question doesn't apply, as a "vassal" is defined as an entity that pays homage and owes allegiance to another. There's no requirement for the vassal to ape its master, as you seem to think.

so you will use technicalities to insist on legitimizing the article's disinfo??

since you use "master" i will point out that most members in the nato camp, whose leader is usa government, seek to replicate the usa political system as closely as possible... so if not "vassal" which other word will you use to describe these governments/militaries/countries that are essentially slaves of usa government??

So your complaint isn't with the fact of military ties, but that highlighting them ignores a story that doesn't contradict the article but that you want to promote, yes?

1. i didn't accept the article's positing military ties between israeli state and pa... i was merely voicing what was written... does the article expect us to believe that when idf has fsa terrorists smuggled into israeli territory for medical treatment, this all has the blessing of plo which is the major power in the pa?? if so, how does one balance that with the recent establishment of ties between fatah and syrian government?? but if you have proof of military ties between pa ( plo really ) and idf, please do post.

2. the story i want to promote is the political truth the article is obfuscating by combining civilian/commercial ties ( which even ussr had with the west ) with "possibility of military cooperation".
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as i have said before, i don't have automatic hatred for israelis but neither have i automatic love for the israeli state/military... what i speak for is "isratin", gaddafi's solution of a unified israel/palestine state with a democratic system.

Isn't it even more amazing that the P.A. also makes the IDF's "moderate" list?

answered above.

but my question still stands - how can egypt and the gulf states be grouped together politically??

i finish with another disinfo in the op...

On the ongoing war in Syria, he said that Israel was not intervening in internal affairs there because it did not want to be attacked by any side involved. He emphasized that Israel had redlines and it would act to prevent the transfer of advanced weapons from Syria to Hezbollah in Lebanon and it would act to prevent Lebanon from becoming a military outpost for Iran.

1. no mention of fsa and allied terrorists getting medical treatment in either special idf field hospitals near the syrian border or the usual hospitals in the israeli towns/cities.

2. why is israel objecting to delivery of syrian weapons to hezbollah in lebanon but not objecting to delivery of weapons to fsa and allied terrorists by turkey government, saudia, qatar, uae, british government and usa government??

 

[Takaavar]

Israel can't sustain another occupation of another population which is why they pulled out. They got everyone in Lebanon to point guns at each other and left. There was agreement with Hezbollah too which led to withdrawal. You sound like an Iranian anti Arab supremacist. This hatred against Arabs is reason why I don't like your country anymore. Hezbollah itself is Arab as well, or do you believe otherwise?

Anyway in 2006 Israel had weaker air force and less firepower. Israel began ground invasion early on , it was easier for Hezbollah to mount casualties. Nowadays its not, Israel has air force many times more capable than before. They updated everything ، rocket defense, and tanks have systems which target anti armor projectile. So what Hamas was able to do was impressive considering they have budget , manpower, arms many less times than Hezbollah. Then we also consider topography situation. It's impossible for Hamas to achieve anything outstanding under occupation. Unless PA collapses and Palestinians arm them selves in West bank to expel the settlements and settlers like happened in Gaza. Their resilence however is unmatched.

Irans Shia militias are only good for attacking militants with US air support. They can't combat Israel. Hezbollah hasnt got in confrontation with Israel for very long time. Now that's perfectly fine. If their duty is to protect Lebanon. But Iran and Hezbollah keep claiming to champion the Palestinian cause and what not. When clearly this is rhetoric used to try gaining public support in the region. Never will Iran and Israel or Israel/Hezbollah get in war ever from now on. Mark my words. Irans agenda is anti Arab, its very clear by its statements and political agenda across region. All Hezbollah mentions nowadays is Saudi Arabia and how the Saudi regime will be toppled. Iranians have a grudge against Arabs. This is why your members here ask Egyptians if they consider them selves Arab. Because you have problem with Arab and want them to be Shia which you view as being non Arab apparently.

So all this rhetoric between Israelis and Iranians is moot. They talk all this talk but both are engaged in killing Sunni Arabs.

Back to point. You seem to understand things wrongly. The reason Israel goes to war in Gaza is because it doesn't expect Hamas to respond to its bullying attempts. Israel thinks Hamas is afraid of it but clearly it isn't. Hezbollah on other hand is afraid of Israel. This is why Israel doesn't go to war with Lebanon. They set off a little charge in the grass which means nothing in military terms and said they settled the score. Israel didn't respond at all. Because they both understand they are on cool terms with each other. Hezbollah did that just to shut up the locals and try not appearing to ignore its central proclamied cause. In reality it is concerned with Arab issues.

Had Hamas blown a convoy they would go crazy over it. Because they know Hamas means business and doesn't do bs to help Iran's image among Arabs. Hamas is in engaged in serious struggle for its people. Hezbollah just wants Iran to look anti Israel so they do one little explosion to gain credibility in Arab world. Israel likes that, because it gets to try presenting itself as victim of Iran. Because it doesn't want West to buy oil from Iran and eventually become security partner with it.

Anyway I'm on mobile. So don't want to go too much into detail. The point is I hate when people give Iran credit for our national resistance. Iran's militias attack Sunni Arabs and don't fight Israel. Palestinians are not pawns for Iran and Iran has no credibility in its imaginary struggle against Israel. Iran has sectarian stupid militias , Palestinians have professional military wings which are result of their resilience/hard work and not anybody else.

You are speaking in circles. How can Iran (or I) be anti-Arab while it is supporting Hezbollah (for instance)? And how Iran's agenda is anti-Arab and against Sunni Arabs while you say Iran is supporting anti-Israel factions to have support from Arabs in the region?


Iranians do not have grudge over "Arabs". Average Iranians do have grudge over Saudis and its neighbouring allies, and it is so deep that you can see this even from the football rivalry that ordinary Iranians have with Saudi, Bahrain, Jordan, and previously Iraq. These guys have always been against us. Another source of misconception is that in our language we do not have a word for Saudi, we say "Arabs" to refer to Saudis and Arabians who look like them in general. We say "Iraqis", "Palestinians", etc. but we don't say "Saudis".

I wasn't saying who is braver and so forth, I was just refering to the results of the conflicts because you said undue credit is given to Iran, which doesn't make sense because at leasy in the eyes of the world, there was not much achievement by most anti-Israeli parties in general. I don't see why we should claim credit