ICJ hearing on Kulbhushan Jadhav case : News, Updates & Discussions

[Divergent]

Kasab to Jadhav?
Pakistani tried in India to Indian tried in pakistan?
Don't you think there's a lot of difference?

Come up with better examples next time.

No I think it's a perfect example. Kasab was 25yrs old, India banned Pakistan from having any kind of consular access to him, it took 4yrs for his case and in the end he was trialed.

Kulbushan Jhadhav was found in Pakistan under fake ID, arming and funding terrorism. A 47yr old man. India has failed to respond to that.

Iran can easily be involved and know too well he wasn't 'kidnapped' from their territory.

The delay in the case doesn't mean he's innocent isn't a final verdict. Just like the delay in Kasab's case.

In the end, no one likes anyone stepping into their territory and killing their people.

 

[Devil Soul]

ICJ has no jurisdiction over national security matters: FO
GNGEO NEWS
May 18, 2017


ISLAMABAD: Foreign Office Spokesman Nafees Zakaria said on Thursday that no institution can be a party when it comes to the country’s national security, shortly after the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered Pakistan to halt the execution of Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav until a final decision is reached.

The FO spokesman said that the decision to challenge the jurisdiction of the ICJ was taken after consultation with all the institutions and agencies.

The FO has also requested access to Indian spy Jadhav’s accomplices. Zakaria said that India did not give a positive response to Pakistan’s request regarding access to Jadhav’s accomplices.

The spokesman pointed out that there exists a bilateral pact on consular access between the two countries since 2008.

Zakaria said that according to the pact’s Article six, the matter of consular access lies solely on the merit of the case.

‘India trying to portray Jadhav's sentencing as humanitarian issue’
Zakaria said India weaved a humanitarian angle in the Indian-spy Kulbushan Jadhav’s case to divert the world's attention from his real actions: fomenting terrorism inside Pakistan.

"After India stood exposed in state-sponsored terrorism and financing terrorism, it tried to divert attention from presenting the Kulbushan Jadhav case with a humanitarian angle,” he said.

He also said that Pakistan’s stance on the RAW agent is very clear: It is a matter of national security and we will not compromise on it.

Talking about the Jadhav case at the International Court of Justice, he said Pakistan’s reply [to the court] was submitted in line with Article 36 of the Vienna Convention, explaining that Pakistan, in some issues, does not recognise the jurisdiction of the ICJ.

He also said that the situation of human rights in the Indian-occupied Kashmir (IoK) is deplorable.

Extremist organisation RSS tried its best to suppress the voice of people in IoK, he remarked, adding that Pakistan condemns the Indian massacre of innocent Kashmiris.

India has also closed down about 36 television channels in IoK to suppress the voice of the people, he claimed. "The international community needs to play an important role in solving the Kashmir issue," he urged.

On the issue, Prime Minister's Adviser on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz has sent a letter to the UN secretary-general exposing atrocities in IoK, he explained.

He also expressed concern over the arrests of freedom leaders in IoK, adding that Kashmiri leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani was not even given permission to seek medical treatment.

Speaking about the situation on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border, he remarked that the border cannot be opened till the situation is completely resolved. He stressed that Afghanistan should initiate peace talks with Pakistan.

On Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's visit to China, he remarked that the trip was quite successful. The premier held meetings with top leaders in China and met the presidents of Russia and Turkey.

 

[The Accountant]

Chances of him being dead are very high... the sole reason Pakistan has not allowed Councillor access is that he is dead.... In that case India can use influence across the globe to put sanctions against Pakistan.... and cut diplomatic ties...

hahahaha,,, are you living in a dream world ... still having wet dreams of Isolating Pakistan ...

 

[The Eagle]

Maybe after hearing the both sides they made their own judgement that India had a stronger case.

None of them mentioned that it is there own judgment.

Maybe after hearing the both sides they made their own judgement that India had a stronger case.

I got it...... https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...inst-kulbhushans-sentence-in-pakistan.494776/

are you referring to Sushma Swaraj tweets on May 9th?

I don't believe she mentioned anything about Stay Order. These are her tweets on the issue.

https://twitter.com/x/status/862013393452105733

https://twitter.com/x/status/862014203506421760

I found the subjected thread which was closed.

 

[H!TchHiker]

Victory for India no doubt ..Pakistan won't hang him if somebody is seriously intent ended to hang he would have been dead by now ...
Further after nawaz jandal meeting and support of that meeting made it clear ..It was clear the day they decided to entertain ICJ hearing ..Rest is just for public posturing..
current political and non polictical leadership is on same page and does not wish to do anything in this regard..All what have done by RS is on reverse gear

 

[M. Sarmad]

You and me can keep speculating, but let me tell you this case will be dragged till ppl get tired of this case and that's when Kulbhushan Jadhav will be released.... should be five years from now.

He won't be released, ever

He will die in Pakistani jails from some chronic disease or long-term health problems, or he may get killed by some "patriotic" inmate, before the Case is decided. We were not going to hang him anyways.

As for ICJ jurisdiction, International Law is nothing but International Morality, and Morality is not "binding" in nature. It's entirely up to Pakistan to accept or reject ICJ's jurisdiction in matters related to our National Security. In my opinion, Pakistan should accept ICJ's jurisdiction as it (possibly) can set a precedent for how future India-Pakistan cases are decided.

 

[Norwegian]

Very good decision. Pakistan has no jurisdiction to execute foreign citizens

 

[Spring Onion]

Looks like India knew about stay before case even begun. Looks fishy, will not be surprised if they brought judges. In this scenario expecting their final verdict to be fair is stupidity.

yar hun tay nawaz nun koi gali ee day de paa ji. party ta tun chadni nai.
ns govt can do anything.

 

[Devil Soul]

Dil khush rakhne ko,GHALIB, yeh khayaal achaa hai.

Bohat Accha, Nai Bohat hai......

 

[Mrc]

POLICE MUQABLA

 

[soundHound]

Bik gayi hai ye ICJ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/865163546321199106

there was an Chinese judge as well in panel, perhaps Iron brother gave cold steel?

I have gone through decision, court has not ordered to give Kulbushan counsellor access. Please guide where is that mentioned if it is mentioned?

Court in all capacity has asked Pakistan to ensure, A. counsellor access B. to ensure execution is not done unless final verdict is out, and any proceeding on same should be first made clear to court and this all is binding and comes under ICJ jurisdiction.

 

[Jackdaws]

No I think it's a perfect example. Kasab was 25yrs old, India banned Pakistan from having any kind of consular access to him, it took 4yrs for his case and in the end he was trialed.

Kulbushan Jhadhav was found in Pakistan under fake ID, arming and funding terrorism. A 47yr old man. India has failed to respond to that.

Iran can easily be involved and know too well he wasn't 'kidnapped' from their territory.

The delay in the case doesn't mean he's innocent isn't a final verdict. Just like the delay in Kasab's case.

In the end, no one likes anyone stepping into their territory and killing their people.

India offered consular access to Kasab. Pakistan refused to provide him.

 

[Windjammer]

Chances of him being dead are very high... the sole reason Pakistan has not allowed Councillor access is that he is dead.... In that case India can use influence across the globe to put sanctions against Pakistan.... and cut diplomatic ties...

Yup the world revolves around India and Noble peace prize winner KY.
Who knows some international plastic surgeons this minute are working on Modi's shrinking chest to make it look 56''..... damn, a certain blouse gifted to him may after all come to some use.

 

[Kabira]

yar hun tay nawaz nun koi gali ee day de paa ji. party ta tun chadni nai.
ns govt can do anything.

This is better, Pakistan need to tell the world what India is doing. Stay on hanging doesn't matter.

 

[ranjeet]

No I think it's a perfect example. Kasab was 25yrs old, India banned Pakistan from having any kind of consular access to him, it took 4yrs for his case and in the end he was trialed.

Kulbushan Jhadhav was found in Pakistan under fake ID, arming and funding terrorism. A 47yr old man. India has failed to respond to that.

Iran can easily be involved and know too well he wasn't 'kidnapped' from their territory.

The delay in the case doesn't mean he's innocent isn't a final verdict. Just like the delay in Kasab's case.

In the end, no one likes anyone stepping into their territory and killing their people.

Here is your answer on Kasab.

“There is no question of consular access unless it is proved that Ajmal Kasab is a Pakistan national,” the adviser told reporters after a function at the headquarters of the National Database and Registration Authority (Nadra).

“We have thoroughly checked the registration record but have not found Ajmal Kasab's name in the Nadra database.

“Therefore we are not sure whether he is a Pakistani. How we can give him consular access without having knowledge about his nationality?”
Pakistan will ignore Kasab`s consular plea
https://www.dawn.com/news/850645