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IAF to upgrade SU-30 fighter aircraft

So all 100 will be upgraded and still the main upgrades seems to be radar and avionics.

You know i really hope they do a better job in the **** pit -- i for one dont like Su 30's cockpit at all -- especially after seeing Rafale's cockpit !! ;)

Is there any scope for sensor fusion kinda stuff ? Or are we planning it do once Mayavi comes into picture ---
 
“Every 10 years various systems need to be upgraded to current standards. However, the latter aircraft that are still to join the IAF will not be included in this module. They will probably come for a second stage upgrade later.

so less than half will be upgraded.....????
 
so less than half will be upgraded.....????

As far I understands it, 100 of the MKIs that are already in service + the 42 new will come with upgraded capabilities, the 40 that will be deliverd by Russia from this year on and the rest of HALs licence production will remain the same, possibly till the next upgrade. So 140 of 270, pretty much the half of them.
 
the new aircraft will be joining with upgrades so no worries

it says the rest will be upgraded later on.....

here it is....

However, the latter aircraft that are still to join the IAF will not be included in this module. They will probably come for a second stage upgrade later.”
 
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With the Unification of design features and selected design solutions based on samples submitted may be created AFAR to upgrade the radar systems of various Su-27/30 family fighters and MiG-29.

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With the Unification of design features and selected design solutions based on samples submitted may be created AFAR to upgrade the radar systems of various Su-27/30 family fighters and MiG-29.

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Maybe because they are modified extensively to carry the airborne version of Brahmos.

It seems to me that the inflation is too much since the first a/c were less than $30 mil each... I guess it is the newer technology that the newer airframes shall have that are responsible for bulk of the increased cost. Can someone estimate how much the initial configuration would cost if ordered today (the initial MKI config, after the initial batches of K and MK) Considering a 5% inflation (a higher side estimate) we would have the cost to be $60 Mil.
 
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IMHO This news article of TOI is hatchet job on Su-30MKI to make the price of potential MRCA look less. If IIRC correctly the inital 140 Su will be manufactured by 2014-15. Next 40 have to be 2015-17 and this last batch should be around 2017-19. The news item indirectly says that is is "projected price" Hence the price of Rs. 350 crores is projected one of anything from 2014 to 2020 depending on whim of Journalist or author. Due to CAG and all that type of stuff, the price of Su-30MKI will not be much different from last batch which was around US$ 45-50 million and the present batch will be around the same. After a decade or so, due to contractual inflation adjustment clauses the prices "might" increase to US$ 70-80 or so. Also around 1/3rd of the contract is general equipment. So my guess is that the present price of fly away Su-30MKI is still around US$ 30-35 million only.
 
guys i am thinking about why not india go for su35bm which is better then su30

lets have a view




Sukhoi Su-35BM


Su-35BM at MAKS-2009
Role Multirole Fighter[1]
Manufacturer Sukhoi
First flight February 19, 2008[1]
Status In development
Number built 4[2]
Unit cost US$65 million (estimate)[3]
Developed from Sukhoi Su-35

The Sukhoi Su-35BM is a heavy class, long-range, multi-role fighter. It is an improved variant of the Su-27M/Su-35 and is considered to be 4++ generation by its manufacturer, Sukhoi.[1][4] The Su-35BM was unveiled at the MAKS-2007 airshow.


Development

Sukhoi began modernising the Su-35 in the mid-2000s to provide a 4.5 type generation fighter making use of current technologies.[1][5][6] The modernised Su-35 will be interim design until the fifth generation PAK FA (T-50) enters service.[1] The modernised Su-35 has been referred to as "Su-35BM" (Bolshaya Modernizatsiya - Big Modernization) by some sources,[7][8] but Sukhoi simply refers to the fighter as "Su-35".[1] The first modernised Su-35 was presented at the MAKS-2007 air show in August 2007. The new Su-35 version first flew on 19 February 2008.[1]

The new design has a reinforced airframe for longer service life and has a reduced radar signature from the front.[1] The Su-35BM's new nose holds an improved passive electronically scanned array radar and the aircraft featured many other upgrades to its avionics and electronic systems, including digital fly-by-wire and a rear-looking radar for firing Semi-Active Radar missiles. In the 1990s, a two-dimensional asymmetric thrust vectoring system was first tested on the Su-35 and served as a basis for further development of the Su-37. For the modernised Su-35, a new type of 2D thrust vectoring engine, the 117S, has been developed and replaces the current AL-31F or AL-35.[9]
Su-35BM at MAKS-2009

The cockpit has been redesigned with two LCD screens and compatibility with helmet-mounted displays. The Su-35BM's software has added compatibility with new weapons systems. Other new avionics include a long-range information targeting and jam-resistant datalink capability and an electronic reconnaissance system. Newer, lighter systems have been added (including a brand new FBO (Fly by Optics) flight-control system and OLS). The avionics are integrated with the GLONASS radio-based satellite navigation system.Flight testing and seeking orders

On 14 April 2009 one Su-35BM prototype fighter crashed during a high speed ground test. The test pilot escaped unharmed after ejecting.[10] According to Sukhoi, the fighter's brakes failed during landing, resulting in the speeding plane going off the runway and the left engine catching fire.[11]

In July 2008, Russia has offered the Su-35 for sale to India,[12] Malaysia and Algeria.[13] The Brazilian Air Force,[14] Vietnam People's Air Force[citation needed] and Venezuelan Air Force[15][16] have expressed interest in purchasing Su-35s to replace their older fighters.

The Su-35BM was demonstrated at Maks 2009, on 18 August 2009. Also at this show, the Russian Air Force signed a contract for the delivery of 48 Su-35S fighters by 2015, along with 12 Su-27SM and four Su-30M2 fighters, representing the first production order for the Su-35.[17][18] In November 2009 Sukhoi started implementing the state contract and the assembly of the first serial planes is scheduled for 2010.[19]

The Su-35 is participating in Brazil's F-X2 contest. Anatoly Isaikin, general director of Rosoboronexport, declared on 6 October 2009 that the company will provide 120 fighters and a full transfer of technology.[20] Libya is expected to sign a contract for the purchase of 12 Su-35 fighters by end of 2010.[21]
[edit] Design

Contrary to the designs of the original Su-35 and Sukhoi's other recent machines - the Su-30MKI and the Su-37 - the new Su-35 omits the canard and speedbrake. The canards were needed to increase/maintain maneuverability due to the addition of more modern, and heavier hardware in the nose area, compared to the original Su-27. A disadvantage of the canards is they significantly increase radar returns and drag, thus decreasing efficiency, speed, range, and weapons-carrying capacity. The Su-35 uses composite materials and newer electronics to make the aircraft lighter, especially in the nose area. This allowed Sukhoi's designers to do away with the canards and their disadvantages while still keeping up high operational system characteristics. The lighter new design has actually allowed an increase in both fuel and weapons-carrying capacity as compared to earlier Su-27 fighters. To maintain maneuverability equal to or greater than canard-equipped fighters, the Su-35 uses fully-rotating vectoring thrust nozzles on its new powerful Saturn engines.[22]

This new airframe design also reduces its radar cross section.[23] The aircraft's engines have also been improved to the 117S and the air intakes are enlarged. A probe and drogue in-flight refueling system has been added as well.

Aside from its obvious physical differences, not only have the Su-35BM's avionics received significant improvements, but they are also entirely of Russian origin. The Su-35BM is equipped with an improved passive electronically scanned array N035 Irbis radar system, as well as additional rear mounted radar in its shortened tail sting, later production will use Irbis-E radar, an improved N035 with higher peak power and better ECM characteristic. An L175M Khibiny-M self-defense electronic countermeasures and electronic warfare system has also been installed, future production will include the new Irbis-E Radar with more powerful search ability. The Irbis-E radar has an average power output of 5 kW and a peak output of 20 kW. When the H035 radar was tested on Su-30MK No. 503, the detection range was as far as 290 kilometers with 1 kW power output.[9] The radar system can track up to 30 aerial targets and engage up to eight.[24] The radar has a diameter of 900 mm and scans electronically to 60 degrees Azimuth and Elevation and mechanical scanning increases the Azimuth coverage to 120 degrees. It has an air to air detection range of 90 km against a stealth aircraft target RCS of 0.01 m².[25]


Radar Irbis-E for the Su-35BM at MAKS Airshow 2009

General characteristics

* Crew: 1
* Length: 21.9 m (72.9 ft)
* Wingspan: 15.3 m (50.2 ft)
* Height: 5.90 m (19.4 ft)
* Wing area: 62.0 m² (667 ft²)
* Empty weight: 18,400 kg[31] (40,570 lb)
* Loaded weight: 25,300 kg (56,660 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 34,500 kg (76,060 lb)
* Powerplant: 2× Saturn 117S/AL-41F1A with TVC nozzle turbofan
o Dry thrust: 8,800 kgf[32] (86.3 kN, 19,400 lbf) each
o Thrust with afterburner: 14,500 kgf (142 kN, 31,900 lbf) each

Performance

* Maximum speed: Mach 2.25[26] (2,390 km/h,[29] 1,490 mph) at altitude
* Range: 3,600 km (1,940 nmi) ; (1,580 km, 850 nmi near ground level)
* Ferry range: 4,500 km (2,430 nmi) with external fuel tanks
* Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,100 ft)
* Rate of climb: >280 m/s (>55,100 ft/min)
* Wing loading: 408 kg/m² (84.9 lb/ft²)
* Thrust/weight: 1.1

Armament

* 1 × 30 mm GSh-30 internal cannon with 150 rounds
* 2 × wingtip rails for R-73 (AA-11 "Archer") air-to-air missiles or ECM pods
* 12 × wing and fuselage stations for up to 8,000 kg (17,630 lb) of ordnance, including for a variety of ordinance including air-to-air missiles, air-to-surface missiles, rockets, and bombs such as:
* AA-10 Alamo: R-27R, R-27ER, R-27T, R-27ET, R-27EP, R-27AE
* AA-12 Adder: R-77, and the proposed R-77M1, R-77T
* AA-11 Archer: R-73E, R-73M, R-74M
* AS-17 Krypton: Kh-31A, Kh-31P Anti-Radiation Missile
* AS-20: Kh-59
* AS-14 Kedge: Kh-29T, Kh-29L
* KAB-500 Laser-guided bomb
* KAB-1500 Laser-guided bomb
* LGB-250 laser-guided bomb
* FAB-250 250kg unguided bombs
* FAB-500 500kg unguided bombs
* S-25LD laser-guided rocket, S-250 unguided rocket
* B-8 unguided S-8 rocket pods
* B-13 unguided S-13 rocket pods

Avionics

* Irbis-E passive phased array radar
 
@Indian Navy India is already overburdened by so many types and not to mention MRCA and LCA also have to be inducted, doesn't make much sense acquiring 2 squadrons and then maintaining them
 
@Indian Navy India is already overburdened by so many types and not to mention MRCA and LCA also have to be inducted, doesn't make much sense acquiring 2 squadrons and then maintaining them

well if i am not wrong we are going to phase out so many old planes in future

mi21
mig29
mirrage 2000
etc

so we need more advance planes and as our defence expt concern two front defencvie policy we need more and advance planes

how many saq.. do you think India will need in 2015-2020 do you think we need more numbers
 
well if i am not wrong we are going to phase out so many old planes in future

mi21
mig29
mirrage 2000
etc

so we need more advance planes and as our defence expt concern two front defencvie policy we need more and advance planes

how many saq.. do you think India will need in 2015-2020 do you think we need more numbers

Not Mig 29 or Mirage MK2-9 since they are currently being upgraded to last till 2025
 
Not Mig 29 or Mirage MK2-9 since they are currently being upgraded to last till 2025



well the fact is we are lacking in numbers and we need more planes su35 is better option then su30 mki no doubt on that

we can gain su 35 in near future but in case of mmrca ,mca, pakfa they will take time

i am sure we will not get any plane from them before 2016
 
well the fact is we are lacking in numbers and we need more planes su35 is better option then su30 mki no doubt on that

we can gain su 35 in near future but in case of mmrca ,mca, pakfa they will take time

i am sure we will not get any plane from them before 2016

To compensate for number India needs something like LCA or JF 17, it would be very expensive having 800 aircrafts of 4.5 Gen!
 
To compensate for number India needs something like LCA or JF 17, it would be very expensive having 800 aircrafts of 4.5 Gen!

You are right ..... But current LCA not have capabilities ...
And India dnt want to walk on Pakistan's path and wait till LCA become much more capabale because Pakistani also know that their current jf17 is not capable and want to upgrade them but they are already deployed that fighter
 

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