IAF To Raise Six New Squadrons of Akash Surface-To-Air Missile Defense System (Air Force Version)

[The enlightened]

I thought you would be comparing it to 2K12 Kub SAM on which Akash SAM is extensively based - Phase I of Indian BMD is by and large comparable to the MIM-104 Patriot. The unique thing or that so called "technical wizardry" in case of Akash is its integral ramjet propulsion technology. The parameter on which Akash compares to MIM-104 Patriot is its accuracy - The Akash missile is claimed to be more accurate than the MIM-104 Patriot due to its ramjet propulsion technology. If Akash "Sucks" then why is the otherwise foreign stuff loving IAF spending over $750 million on a supposed "Sucking" Missile?

It was compared to a missile similar in specs in terms of size/weight (and one smaller one for added emphasis). As you can see, it is much less capable than similar MIM-104 based on every criteria (except the one claimed) which you conveniently ignored.

The Akash missile is claimed to be more accurate than the MIM-104 Patriot due to its ramjet propulsion technology.

I've seen this BS time and time again. If someone said that the missile was accurate because of superior guidance, better control surfaces, higher lateral G limit etc. the argument would have some traction, but ramjet propulsion? Seriously?
What the person originally must have meant was powered flight. The Akash missile unlike the Patriot maintains propulsion throughout the flight. Good for it. But with a miniscule 30 km engagement envelope, does it really matter? The incoming target is barely going to have any time to change its heading much from the time of SAM launch to interception considering their relative velocity. And then you have Akash's pathetic G-limit of 15G's.

As for the numbnut @NKVD the only joke here is you. Patriot being a 'full-fledged ABM' invalidates the comparison how exactly? Patriot has similar length/width/weight, costs only double/quadruple of Akash not to mention the comparison was started before I came along (akash is more accurate...)

 

[$@rJen]

Missile sucks. Only 25 km range. Cheap stand off weapons can easily take it down. Barak-8 has the same 60kg warhead and weighs like a third of it. It doesn't even have an active seeker. OTOH this is cheaperrrrrrr and we can buy it in the thousands.

Dude you're forgetting something here... Akash is medium rang SAM.. 25-30 is a good range for a short range SAM.

 

[possumlot]

It was compared to a missile similar in specs in terms of size/weight (and one smaller one for added emphasis). As you can see, it is much less capable than similar MIM-104 based on every criteria (except the one claimed) which you conveniently ignored.

I've seen this BS time and time again. If someone said that the missile was accurate because of superior guidance, better control surfaces, higher lateral G limit etc. the argument would have some traction, but ramjet propulsion? Seriously?
What the person originally must have meant was powered flight. The Akash missile unlike the Patriot maintains propulsion throughout the flight. Good for it. But with a miniscule 30 km engagement envelope, does it really matter? The incoming target is barely going to have any time to change its heading much from the time of SAM launch to interception considering their relative velocity. And then you have Akash's pathetic G-limit of 15G's.

As for the numbnut @NKVD the only joke here is you. Patriot being a 'full-fledged ABM' invalidates the comparison how exactly? Patriot has similar length/width/weight, costs only double/quadruple of Akash not to mention the comparison was started before I came along (akash is more accurate...)

Why are you dragging Patriot missile into this thread ? why not open a new thread on patriot missile if you are fascinated by it ? The chinese 50 cent's does the same thing but at least they get paid for it, what is your excuse ?

 

[NKVD]

Patriot being a 'full-fledged ABM' invalidates the comparison how exactly?

Akash has Enough for Fulfill Mr SAM Requirements for the Protection of Valuable Air force And Military Installations
The Akash SAM was developed to replace the Russian 2K12 Kub (SA-6 Gainful) missile system, currently in service.
It Enough For Potential Threats
Such Like The first fielded variant was the round MIM-104A, "Standard". It was optimized solely for engagements against aircraft and had very limited capability against ballistic missiles. It had a range of 70 km (43 mi), and a speed in excess of Mach 3
PAC-2,PAC-3 & others Variants are Build for ABM Purposes Very Different Roles from Sole Sam role Such As Akash
Akash Has its own ABM Variant in Development are Correct Comparison to Patriot Missile System Known AAD in Place And gone through Successful Trials So your Comparison Point is Invalid

LRSAM Project Like Barak-8 is Already in JV With Israel with Upgraded Akash Variants Are on its Way

PS: Do Debate Me On Facts Rather than Rants

 

[The enlightened]

Akash has Enough for Fulfill Mr SAM Requirements for the Protection of Valuable Air force And Military Installations
The Akash SAM was developed to replace the Russian 2K12 Kub (SA-6 Gainful) missile system, currently in service.
It Enough For Potential Threats
Such Like The first fielded variant was the round MIM-104A, "Standard". It was optimized solely for engagements against aircraft and had very limited capability against ballistic missiles. It had a range of 70 km (43 mi), and a speed in excess of Mach 3
PAC-2,PAC-3 & others Variants are Build for ABM Purposes Very Different Roles from Sole Sam role Such As Akash
Akash Has its own ABM Variant in Development are Correct Comparison to Patriot Missile System Known AAD in Place And gone through Successful Trials So your Comparison Point is Invalid

LRSAM Project Like Barak-8 is Already in JV With Israel which LRSAM And Other Akash Variant Are on its Way

PS: Do Debate Me On Facts Rather than Rants

'PS: Do Debate Me On Facts Rather than Rants'
PS: Do Debate Me On Facts Rather than RantsPS: Do Debate Me On Facts Rather than RantsPS: Do Debate Me On Facts Rather than RantsPS: Do Debate Me On Facts Rather than RantsPS: Do Debate Me On Facts Rather than RantsPS: Do Debate Me On Facts Rather than RantsPS: Do Debate Me On Facts Rather than RantsPS: Do Debate Me On Facts Rather than Rants

Patriot is a long-range, all-altitude, all-weather air defence system to counter tactical ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and advanced aircraft.

Patriot Missile Long-Range Air-Defence System - Army Technology
Do note the use of the word tactical ahead of ballistic missiles. That basically means battlefield BM's like Scud (which it engaged in Desert Storm successfully {or not, depending upon source}) and not MRBM and upwards.
The US has Aegis BMD system to defend against Ballistic Missile threat which consist of the Standard Missile series. There goes 90% of your RANT.

Such Like The first fielded variant was the round MIM-104A, "Standard". It was optimized solely for engagements against aircraft and had very limited capability against ballistic missiles. It had a range of 70 km (43 mi), and a speed in excess of Mach 3
PAC-2,PAC-3 & others Variants are Build for ABM Purposes Very Different Roles from Sole Sam role Such As Akash
Akash Has its own ABM Variant in Development are Correct Comparison to Patriot Missile System Known AAD in Place And gone through Successful Trials So your Comparison Point is Invalid

Please remember to laugh at yourself in front of the mirror.

Point-2: Whether or not Akash 'fulfills its role' is a completely different matter to whether or not it sucks. According to Pakistanis here, JF-17 also 'fulfills its role'. That doesn't stop it from sucking.
As that comparison with MIM-104 and Barak-8 showed, it is a technologically backward missile. You can add any other modern SAM like Aster 30/15 and derive the shame result.

 

[GORKHALI]

It was compared to a missile similar in specs in terms of size/weight (and one smaller one for added emphasis). As you can see, it is much less capable than similar MIM-104 based on every criteria (except the one claimed) which you conveniently ignored.

I've seen this BS time and time again. If someone said that the missile was accurate because of superior guidance, better control surfaces, higher lateral G limit etc. the argument would have some traction, but ramjet propulsion? Seriously?
What the person originally must have meant was powered flight. The Akash missile unlike the Patriot maintains propulsion throughout the flight. Good for it. But with a miniscule 30 km engagement envelope, does it really matter? The incoming target is barely going to have any time to change its heading much from the time of SAM launch to interception considering their relative velocity. And then you have Akash's pathetic G-limit of 15G's.

As for the numbnut @NKVD the only joke here is you. Patriot being a 'full-fledged ABM' invalidates the comparison how exactly? Patriot has similar length/width/weight, costs only double/quadruple of Akash not to mention the comparison was started before I came along (akash is more accurate...)

You started again... Mate please get enlightened first then come back to me. There are more capable people sitting in IAF and IA who ordered 6Biillon $ of SAM system while rejected a Joint venture missile.

 

[NKVD]

Patriot Missile Long-Range Air-Defence System - Army Technology
Do note the use of the word tactical ahead of ballistic missiles. That basically means battlefield BM's like Scud (which it engaged in Desert Storm successfully {or not, depending upon source}) and not MRBM and upwards.
The US has Aegis BMD system to defend against Ballistic Missile threat which consist of the Standard Missile series. There goes 90% of your RANT.

Your Completely Shooting Different Picture Akash System is Part of Multi Layered Defence System of Advanced Air Defence (AAD) Program of India which has Operational Range of 150-200Km For Any Endoatmospheric Threat SAme As MIM-Patriot

Another BMD Defence System India Use is Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) / Pradyumna Ballistic Missile Same role of Aegis System of US

Indian Ballistic Missile Defence Programme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[The enlightened]

Your Completely Shooting Different Picture Akash System is Part of Multi Layered Defence System of Advanced Air Defence (AAD) Program of India which has Operational Range of 150-200Km For Any Endoatmospheric Threat SAme As MIM-Patriot

Another BMD Defence System India Use is Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) / Pradyumna Ballistic Missile Same role of Aegis System of US

Indian Ballistic Missile Defence Programme - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The level of stupidity here is just endless. Goodbye.

 

[NKVD]

As that comparison with MIM-104 and Barak-8 showed, it is a technologically backward missile. You can add any other modern SAM like Aster 30/15 and derive the shame result.

Barak 8 has been described as giving potential use as a point defence anti-ballistic missile due to its combination of advanced capabilities.

It has been reported that an ER (extended range) variant of the Barak 8 is under development, which will see the missiles maximum range increased to 100 km. The missile is expected to equip the Indian Navys future Project 15B destroyers

India & Israel’s Barak-8 SAM Development Project(s)

 

[The enlightened]

Barak 8 has been described as giving potential use as a point defence anti-ballistic missile due to its combination of advanced capabilities.

It has been reported that an ER (extended range) variant of the Barak 8 is under development, which will see the missiles maximum range increased to 100 km. The missile is expected to equip the Indian Navys future Project 15B destroyers

India & Israel’s Barak-8 SAM Development Project(s)

Of course
Barak-8 is also a full-fledged ABM

 

[NKVD]

The level of stupidity here is just endless. Goodbye.

Your Stupidly Is in not Debating on Facts
Missile defense can take place either inside (endoatmospheric) or outside (exoatmospheric) the Earth's atmosphere. The trajectory of most ballistic missiles takes them inside and outside the Earth's atmosphere, and they can be intercepted either place. There are advantages and disadvantages to either intercept technique.

Some missiles such as THAAD can intercept both inside and outside the Earth's atmosphere, giving two intercept opportunities.

Endoatmospheric
Endoatmospheric anti-ballistic missiles are usually shorter ranged (example: American MIM-104 Patriot). Same As AAD or
Advanced Air Defence of India
Leave your Ignorance and Read Below

Missile defense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course
Barak-8 is also a full-fledged ABM

Yeah KiD Read The Source I Provided Its Very Knowledgeable For Fanboys Like You

 

[CONNAN]

 

[My-Analogous]

Six new Akash squadrons to give IAF missile muscle

Barring the final action of firing the missile or pressing the ‘destroy’ key, all major functions are done electronically by the computer running on the weapon system software.​

BENGALURU: Having seen it's utility first hand, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is all geared up to raise six new squadrons of the Akash Air Defence System which is indigenously developed by the DRDO, Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) and private firms long before the nation launched on the Make-In-India campaign.

Confirming this, top IAF officials said IAF already has two operational squadrons of the all-weather, point/area missile system. "It protects vulnerable points and vulnerable areas with a slant range of 25-30 km at altitudes up to 20km. It can destroy high-speed targets like fighter aircraft and UAVs," an official said.

Barring the final action of firing the missile or pressing the 'destroy' key, all major functions are done electronically by the computer running on the weapon system software.

While paperwork for immediate procurement of seven squadrons (14 units) is progressing at the highest level, the IAF is likely to place additional orders for 49 firing units in a phased manner. The order for the existing two squadrons placed in 2008 is valued at about Rs 1,200 crore.

"An order for six more squadrons worth around Rs 3,500 crore was placed in the late 2010 and the manufacturing of the same is complete and will be delivered this year," a source in BEL said.

The Akash missile system was conceived as a project and completed way before the make-in-India campaign was launched.
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Integration of all equipment and software at the squadron level, installation and commissioning of the missile system are being done by BEL.​

BEL is the lead vendor and integrator for the IAF version. It has manufactured the surveillance radar, tracking radar, flight control centre, support systems and the integrated software. The missiles themselves are supplied by Bharat Dynamics Limited, Hyderabad, another government agency, while the launchers come from Tata Power/L&T. The squadron control centre is manufactured by the Electronics Corporation of India Limited.

Integration of all equipment and software at the squadron level, installation and commissioning of the missile system are being done by BEL. The weapon system software developed jointly by the Electronics & Radar Development Establishment (LRDE) and BEL plays a crucial role in achieving the target destruction.

Source:- Six new Akash squadrons to give IAF missile muscle - The Times of India​

Squadrons
You mean (14)Batteries or raise (7) battalion

 

[gslv mk3]

Squadrons
You mean (14)Batteries or raise (7) battalion

You know the meaning of squadrons ?

 

[My-Analogous]

You know the meaning of squadrons ?

Do you the word terminology. For missiles we don't use squadrons, it is for air fleet.