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NEW DELHI: IAF may have ejected US fighters from its $10.4-billion project to acquire 126 jets, but is eager for its fighter pilots to match their combat skills with American top guns.

The air force has taken the initiative to take part in the "mother" of all air combat exercises, the Red Flag, held at Nellis US Air Force base in Nevada.

"We will participate in Red Flag in 2013. Since such exercises are very expensive, we have decided to undertake them only once in five years", says IAF chief Air Chief Marshal P V Naik. The only time IAF has participated in Red Flag was in 2008, with eight frontline Sukhoi-30MKI fighters, two IL-78 mid-air refuellers, an IL-76 heavy-lift aircraft, 91 officers and 156 other ranks.

The bill for the complex aerial combat manoeuvres, touted to be the closest one can get to real war, had come to over Rs 100 crore three years ago.

"The Americans were surprised by our pilots, who flew as many as 356 sorties during Red Flag, and were full of praise for them. The exercise established IAF's capability to project its air power by deploying a trans-continental task force and sustaining prolonged operations there," said another officer. "The US had wanted Indian participation in Red Flag, which trains pilots 'to survive in war and win' in an advanced network-centric environment, to become a regular feature. We, however, have financial constraints," he added.

But the fact remains that the stunning flurry of Indo-US military exercises, with well over 60 such joint war games being held over the last decade to build "interoperability", has been the most visible symbol of the upward trajectory in strategic ties between the two countries.
 
why not conduct Cope India exercises? like the ones where IAF defeated the USAF in 90% of the mock combat battles?
 
Rs 100 crore three years ago how much it will be now ? almost equal to the price of a brand new LCA !!

touted to be the closest one can get to real war , after spending so much money what they suppose to learn with in these expercises under restricted senario of not using the entire spectrum of your plane's capabilities ..
 
why not conduct Cope India exercises? like the ones where IAF defeated the USAF in 90% of the mock combat battles?

Because at Cope India the US planes were working in restricted conditions with many of their capabilities shutoff. At Red Flag, although India will also work without their Radar systems, the exercise will help IA pilots develop dog fighting capabilities against one of the best in the World in a combat zone they arenot accustomed to. Can't get better training than this!!!
 
why not conduct Cope India exercises? like the ones where IAF defeated the USAF in 90% of the mock combat battles?

first of all nobody will know abt the actuall results of these exercise.... we have done a good show for sure.. but i dont know on what basis you are telling we beat them for more than 90%....

i dont understand why we are participating only once in 5 years... we have to be participate at least once in 3
 
why not conduct Cope India exercises? like the ones where IAF defeated the USAF in 90% of the mock combat battles?

I doubt that. Also in a real war scenario when USAF comes with their high tech jets with its high tech missiles coupled with their AWACS, aerial refuellers, drones & satellites I don't think there are any airforces in the world that can stand up to that fire power. Thats just the USAF, then there are the US Marines and Navy.
 
first of all nobody will know abt the actuall results of these exercise.... we have done a good show for sure.. but i dont know on what basis you are telling we beat them for more than 90%....

i dont understand why we are participating only once in 5 years... we have to be participate at least once in 3

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No need to mention this......We all know the capabilities of IAF . . . . :wave:

Are you an idiot? or stupid? or dumbass?

What are you smoking now a days? :lol:

Where did I say anything about IAF vs PAF? I'm not a retard (like many others) who derail the thread. There was no point in mentioning IAF beating USAF 90% of the times in some exercises etc.I just stated that . . :wave:

I doubt that. Also in a real war scenario when USAF comes with their high tech jets with its high tech missiles coupled with their AWACS, aerial refuellers, drones & satellites I don't think there are any airforces in the world that can stand up to that fire power. Thats just the USAF, then there are the US Marines and Navy.


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read it and weep i don't make up random bs on threads guys :) @Auz i hope you will like it :lol:

"Although service officials have been reluctant to detail how the Indians performed against the six F-15Cs from the 3rd Wing that participated in Cope India, Rep. Duke Cunningham (R-CA) said in a Feb. 26 House Appropriations defense subcommittee hearing that U.S. F-15Cs were defeated more than 90 percent of the time in direct combat exercises against the IAF."
 
Are you an idiot? or stupid? or dumbass?

What are you smoking now a days? :lol:

Where did I say anything about IAF vs PAF? I'm not a retard (like many others) who derail the thread. There was no point in mentioning IAF beating USAF 90% of the times in some exercises etc.I just stated that . . :wave:

first of all mind your language ......
u totally mis understood .... what i mean was from your post there is a chance that thread will leads to IAF vs PAF....

peace
 
why not conduct Cope India exercises? like the ones where IAF defeated the USAF in 90% of the mock combat battles?

These kind of exercises are NOT some d**k measuring contests. IAF did not 'defeat' USAF in 'mock battles'.
These exercises are nothing but training sessions! What pilots do on their routine training sorties, they do the same in Red Flag, but with other airforces. Everyone trains and learns. Of course, there are those 'bragging rights', but they mean squat in the larger scheme of things.

But 2013 Red Flag with IAF should be interesting.
 
These kind of exercises are NOT some d**k measuring contests. IAF did not 'defeat' USAF in 'mock battles'.
These exercises are nothing but training sessions! What pilots do on their routine training sorties, they do the same in Red Flag, but with other airforces. Everyone trains and learns. Of course, there are those 'bragging rights', but they mean squat in the larger scheme of things.

But 2013 Red Flag with IAF should be interesting.

sir i am not trying to ignite a flame war or a dick measuring contest please look at post number 10 like i said i don't make up BS on threads without proof! :)
 
sir i am not trying to ignite a flame war or a dick measuring contest please look at post number 10 like i said i don't make up BS on threads without proof! :)

Of course! Thats what the news papers reported without as much as understanding the ROEs. FYI, each F-15C - with many of their subsystems shutdown - were pitted against 3 MiG-21s. That was what IAF asked. However MiG-21s are very maneuverable but are a generation or two behind the F-15s. Yet they are a formidable aircraft. But in a 3 against 1 scenario, what would you expect?
 
Of course! Thats what the news papers reported without as much as understanding the ROEs. FYI, each F-15C - with many of their subsystems shutdown - were pitted against 3 MiG-21s. That was what IAF asked. However MiG-21s are very maneuverable but are a generation or two behind the F-15s. Yet they are a formidable aircraft. But in a 3 against 1 scenario, what would you expect?

quit your trolling bro i am only listing facts! the IAF used SU-30MK (not MKI) fighters during its cope India 04 exercise with the USAF i am directly quoting col. greg newbech of the USAF

"What we’ve seen in the last two weeks is, the IAF can stand toe-to-toe with best AF in the world. I pity the pilot who has to face the IAF and chances the day to underestimate him; because he won’t be going home. Indian hospitality from everyone has been truly overwhelming. The greatest compliment we heard from an IAF pilot, 'You American pilots are just like us, simply down to earth people.' We depart India with great respect for the Indian Air Force. Your pilots, maint and support crew are exceptional professionals."

Exercise Cope India 04
 
there is nothing to conclude from his comments.......... US af was used in very restrictive conditions... and these are just training exercise in diferent scenarios... there is no win or lose...
 

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