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IAF to Go in for 10 more AWACS

Rafale Deal hopefully by July


Bangalore. The Indian Air Force (IAF) is looking at 10 AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control Systems Aircraft) on western platforms.

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Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne told India Strategic that right now, IAF is negotiating for two IL 76-based AWACS with Israel, in addition to the three already acquired. But the future platforms would be western, either the Boeing 767 or Airbus A330. The Air Chief also released the Aero India editions of India Strategic and the Show Daily.

Significantly, he said, the radar systems would be provided by DRDO, either indigenously or through collaboration. The idea is to develop indigenous capability, something the IAF and the other Services, Army and Navy also support.

DRDO is already working on smaller airborne intelligence systems on Brazilian Embraer 145 aircraft. But to fix a radome on a big aircraft would pose two challenges: One, the development of the system and two, its integration on big aircraft like the Boeing 767 or Airbus A 330.

In fact, aircraft technologies are easier to manage than the AWACS systems, which demand futuristic sophistication.

Israelis are among the best in EW and AWACS technologies though, given the fact that they learn a lot from the research done in the United States and some other western countries. But how much they share with India, or other countries, is a matter of both good relations and money.

Air Chief Marshal Browne pointed out that the Air Headquarters was working on the AWACS requirement in consultations with DRDO, and that an RfP (Request for Proposals) for the new platforms should be issued in 2014.

It may be noted that the IL 76 aircraft were made by the Soviet Union with factories in its constituent states. Russia is likely to unveil its own version of IL 76 in 2014 but by the time it comes to the market for exports, it would be a while.

On the acquisition of Rafale MRCA, the Air Chief said that several aspects of the deal had been finalized, and that he expected the discussions between the French Dassault-led Rafale International and the Ministry of Defence to be over by May or so. The file would then go to the Finance Ministry, and once okayed there, then to the Cabinet Committee on Security for approval and sanction.

He was hopeful that this entire process should be over by July

Air Chief Marshal Browne said that IAF was happy with the acquisition of Pilatus trainer as the younger pilots were really in need for an ab initio machine to begin their flying careers. IAF has just got the first lot of the aircraft, 75 of which have been ordered from its Swiss maker.

..:: India Strategic ::. IAF: IAF to Go in for 10 more AWACS Rafale Deal hopefully by July
 
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But the future platforms would be western, either the Boeing 767 or Airbus A330.
Smart move
Significantly, he said, the radar systems would be provided by DRDO, either indigenously or through collaboration.
May not be very smart move
 
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For a minute assume that CABS has developed 270 degree AESA for AEW&C program.
How much time it would take to develop the same 360 AESA for DRDO AWACS program?
 
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Where did he say ten? :what:
its 3 + 2 = 5 .

5 Israeli phalcon aewacs. Ten MORE DRDO made AWACS on western platforms (Boeing et al). Whether this is over and above the Embraer based DRDO AWAC about to enter service shortly, or whether that is included in the number ten, I am not sure about.
 
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Where did he say ten? :what:
its 3 + 2 = 5 .

The news report is unclear on the break-up of the numbers.
It can be seen this way; 3 (existing)+2 (being negotiated) Phalcon on Il-76 platforms all sourced from Israel. This is very clear.
Then the report goes on to speak of DRDO AWACS on either Boeing 767 or Airbus 330 platforms. This may be either 5 (the more likely figure) or 10 (less likely).
So that is how the figure of 10 (5+5) can be arrived at. That is the figure that I will go with. Along with 12-15 on the Embraer platforms fitted with the CABS built equipment.

My guesstimate on the final numbers.
 
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5 Israeli phalcon aewacs. Ten MORE DRDO made AWACS on western platforms (Boeing et al). Whether this is over and above the Embraer based DRDO AWAC about to enter service shortly, or whether that is included in the number ten, I am not sure about.
My guess is :
3 phalcon aewacs + 2 new aewacs on western platforms +
10 DRDO AWAC made on Embraer 145 by 2022
 
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For a minute assume that CABS has developed 270 degree AESA for AEW&C program.
How much time it would take to develop the same 360 AESA for DRDO AWACS program?

Will mainly depend on the partner that provides the plattform, since they will do most of the integration work. The radar itself don't have to be that much different, just 3 of the current AESA arrays positioned in a triangular way. But we know DRDO, so they won't go for a simple solution and will make it more complicated again, by developing a more advanced radar, which again will need more time.

But I find this point interesting:

Significantly, he said, the radar systems would be provided by DRDO, either indigenously or through collaboration


5 Israeli phalcon aewacs. Ten MORE DRDO made AWACS on western platforms (Boeing et al). Whether this is over and above the Embraer based DRDO AWAC about to enter service shortly, or whether that is included in the number ten, I am not sure about.

Earlier statements confirmed a total requirement of 15 x AWACS, so 5 x A50 Phalcon + 3 x EMB 145 DRDO + 7 x new once. And IAF once again gets to the logistical nightmare the whole world is laughing about. :hitwall:
 
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P.S. The chaos of indigenous project management can also be seen here, we have successfully worked with Embraer to develop the EMB 145 AWACS for the last years and even IF a further development for another type would be necessary, why not chose them as partners instead of starting from zero again? Searching for new partners, negotiations about workshare, costs, tests...
At the same time recent news came out that Saab might team up with Embraer AGAIN, to develop a new Erieye AWACS based on the EMB 190:

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So after the EMB 145 Erieye, Saab logically chose Embraer AGAIN as a partner for the next AWACS development, to benefit from the available experience and relations.
 
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P.S. The chaos of indigenous project management can also be seen here, we have successfully worked with Embraer to develop the EMB 145 AWACS for the last years and even IF a further development for another type would be necessary, why not chose them as partners instead of starting from zero again? Searching for new partners, negotiations about workshare, costs, tests...
At the same time recent news came out that Saab might team up with Embraer AGAIN, to develop a new Erieye AWACS based on the EMB 190:

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So after the EMB 145 Erieye, Saab logically chose Embraer AGAIN as a partner for the next AWACS development, to benefit from the available experience and relations.

Apparently this SAAB-Embraer tie-up again will be for a 'Beam-Balance' version of AWACS; while both the IAF and DRDO are pitching for a 'Roto-Dome' version.
Is the Emb-190 commuter liner suitable for that?
That will explain why the CAS is talking about the Boeing 767 and Airbus 330 platforms.
 
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Apparently this SAAB-Embraer tie-up again will be for a 'Beam-Balance' version of AWACS; while both the IAF and DRDO are pitching for a 'Roto-Dome' version.
Is the Emb-190 commuter liner suitable for that?
That will explain why the CAS is talking about the Boeing 767 and Airbus 330 platforms.

Why shouldn't it? Airbus has offered the A320 with a radome by Elta, they have integrated the same on the smaller C295, the US have the E-2 and even C130 platforms with rotodoms and the EMB 190 is a bigger plattform, the only difference is the size of the radome. Moreover, one should thing about if a radome is needed at all, see the Boeing 737 AWACS, or Eltas G550 Phalcon. Both offer 360° coverage without a radome.
Btw, none of the A50 Phalcons have a rotodome either, it's a fixed radome with 3 x arrays => less mechanical parts, ease of maintenance, less costs!
 
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