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In an ambitious, unprecedented move, the Indian Air Force is currently in the final stages of a move that could ruffle feathers in Russia — mating a British missile system with its Russian-origin Su-30 MKI fighters, something it has never done before. Top IAF sources tell Livefist that a pair of HAL-built Su-30 MKI jets have undergone requisite software modifications to deploy the MBDA ASRAAM heat-seeking close combat air-to-air missile. What the IAF intends to do is fully replace the Su-30 MKI’s current close combat missile — the Russian-built Vympel R-73 — with the ASRAAM in phases.

For a service that has rarely standardised equipment across its diverse fleet of Russian and European aircraft, the IAF’s intentions with the ASRAAM stem from its experience with the successful recent integration of the missile system with its Jaguar deep penetration strike jets. Part of a £250 million IAF contract with MBDA UK in July 2014, the ASRAAM-armed Jaguars are to be declared operationally ready this year. IAF sources said the first ASRAAM-armed Su-30s would be declared ready around the same time, and will make use of the same testing cycle.

The Indian government’s National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), an outfit under the Ministry of Science and Technology, was tasked with proving the stability of the ASRAAM on the Su-30 airframe at its Bengaluru wind-tunnels. NAL sources confirm to Livefist that flutter analysis and safety of flight tests were conducted last year. With carriage flight trials underway, guided test-firings will likely take place this summer.

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MBDA Photo / RAF Jaguar

If the IAF has its way, the ASRAAM could have a longer flight path in Indian service. As Livefist reported in 2017, the ASRAAM is under consideration as a weapon system on the Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, while the IAF has officially opened discussions on arming its Hawk trainers with the ASRAAM and Brimstone weapon system. If the IAF is looking beyond the R-73 on the Su-30 MKI, then it stands to reason that it could do the same on its recently upgraded Russian MiG-29 fighter fleet. But IAF sources confirm that the Su-30 MKI fleet is a priority program for the ASRAAM integration.

Having to navigate diplomatic and strategic sensitivities with Russia could be precisely why the IAF has pursued the ASRAAM integration as quietly as possible, though the steady stream of give and take between Moscow and Delhi could accommodate a move that would, in normal course, be deeply irksome to Russia.

On the other hand, as Livefist reported earlier this month, the IAF is looking to expand its Su-30 fleet with a proposal to build 40 more jets under license at HAL’s Nashik facility. Livefist can now confirm that the Indian government has formally requested Russia to extend the production license, a requirement before deciding on the additional numbers it will choose to build.

The IAF chose the ASRAAM in 2013 after a contest that involved the Israeli Python, the German Diehl IRIS-T and American Raytheon AIM-9X Sidewinder. While India is well into testing its indigenous beyond visual range air-to-air Astra missile, its weapons program doesn’t include a close combat air-to-air missile, compelling it to depend on imported systems through its history. Comparable past systems include Matra Magic II and MICA IR on its Mirage 2000 fleet.

The move to attempt a standardisation of the ASRAAM across its combat aircraft fleet could be helped along by a proposal from the missile’s maker, MBDA, which has proposed to shift final assembly of the weapon system from Bolton in the United Kingdom to the facilities of India’s state-owned missile house Bharat Dynamics Ltd in Hyderabad as part of offsets obligations across contracts
 
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ASRAAM today, METEOR tomorrow?

MBDA clearly wrote a letter to IAF that they will not provide Meteors for Tejas if and MBDA radar is not chosen for the jet. So I doubt they will allow it here.

Plus ASRAAM is a visual range missile that I think relies on internal sensors/IR for lock on. Meteor needs radar support. That will mean that Russia will have to share radar codes with Europe and Europe will have to share Meteor codes with Russia.

I wonder if they will accept that.
 
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India has BVR missile programs running, with a Meteor range class missile also under development.This will equip all future IAF fighters.
India's first BVR Missile cleared for limited production
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The Meteor Class missile
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HAL is struggling with upgradation of Jaguar including operational integration of ASRAAM on its fleet.
Don't know how "successful" this Sukhoi experiment will be.
 
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40 more MKIs are coming. India has officially sought extention of production licence for 40 new MKIs.
 
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MBDA clearly wrote a letter to IAF that they will not provide Meteors for Tejas if and MBDA radar is not chosen for the jet. So I doubt they will allow it here.

Plus ASRAAM is a visual range missile that I think relies on internal sensors/IR for lock on. Meteor needs radar support. That will mean that Russia will have to share radar codes with Europe and Europe will have to share Meteor codes with Russia.

I wonder if they will accept that.

We may get local manufacturing with Rafale F4 but not for Tejas mk-1A or su-30s but MCA could get them. Su-30- Astra; Rafale/MCA- meteor; mk-1A- derby

40 more MKIs are coming. India has officially sought extention of production licence for 40 new MKIs.
Nope IAF rejected such proposal, its for 18 aircraft they lost.
 
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IAF don't want more MKIs... They are banking on 108 initial MMRCAs... they will ask the government to increase the number IF...

IF... IF... IF... ADA and HAL fail to provide UPGRADED version of TEJAS aka successor of MK 1A on time... ON TIME, is my biggest worry...:partay:
 
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IAF don't want more MKIs... They are banking on 108 initial MMRCAs... they will ask the government to increase the number IF...

IF... IF... IF... ADA and HAL fail to provide UPGRADED version of TEJAS aka successor of MK 1A on time... ON TIME, is my biggest worry...:partay:

I think the reluctance for additional SU-30s is mainly due to costs. From what I’ve read, the SU-30 (and similar fighters like the F-15 and F-14) have massive running costs. IAF most probably wants to rationalise costs rather than have huge numbers of fuel hungry, maintenance intensive hulking jets.
 
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MBDA clearly wrote a letter to IAF that they will not provide Meteors for Tejas if and MBDA radar is not chosen for the jet. So I doubt they will allow it here.

Plus ASRAAM is a visual range missile that I think relies on internal sensors/IR for lock on. Meteor needs radar support. That will mean that Russia will have to share radar codes with Europe and Europe will have to share Meteor codes with Russia.

I wonder if they will accept that.
No,they won't allow
 
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40 more MKIs are coming. India has officially sought extention of production licence for 40 new MKIs.

We may get local manufacturing with Rafale F4 but not for Tejas mk-1A or su-30s but MCA could get them. Su-30- Astra; Rafale/MCA- meteor; mk-1A- derby


Nope IAF rejected such proposal, its for 18 aircraft they lost.

IAF don't want more MKIs... They are banking on 108 initial MMRCAs... they will ask the government to increase the number IF...

IF... IF... IF... ADA and HAL fail to provide UPGRADED version of TEJAS aka successor of MK 1A on time... ON TIME, is my biggest worry...:partay:

Brace for Impact, more Sukhoi's are coming in coming years
https://sputniknews.com/military/201901311071996905-india-seeks-license-ext-su30mki/
 
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Indian Air Force to Equip Elite Su-30MKI Air Superiority Fighters with British ASRAAM Air to Air Missiles

The ASRAAM is costly relative to U.S. or Russian manufactured equivalents, and is arguably considerably inferior to the latest variants of the American AIM-9X which retains extreme degrees of manoeuvrability. This has led to suspicions that India has selected the ASRAAM for political reasons rather than the actual effectiveness of the missile relative to its competitors.



The Su-30MKI fourth generation twin engine fighter has since the early 2000s formed the mainstay of the Indian Air Force’s combat fleet, with the service planning to deploy well over three hundred of the elite aircraft providing it with one of the most capable air superiority fleets in the world. Su-30MKI jets continue to be manufactured both in Russia and in India under licence, with the design having been updated considerably over time to integrate new avionics and electronic warfare systems. The platforms have also been equipped with more advanced Russian made munitions such as the latest variants of the R-77 long range air to air missile, and more recently the Air Force had indicated that it plans to equip the fighters with European built missiles - namely the British Advanced Short Range Air to Air Missile (ASRAAM).


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Su-30MKI Fourth Generation Air Superiority Fighter


The ASRAAM is a British equivalent to the AIM-9 sidewinder used by the U.S. Air Force and the Vympel R-73 used by Russia's own combat jets. The missile was designed for short ranged engagements, though its ability to strike targets up to 25km away allows it to outrange many similar munitions produced by rival manufacturers. While formidable, the ASRAAM is costly relative to U.S. or Russian manufactured equivalents, and is arguably considerably inferior to the latest variants of the American AIM-9X which retains extreme degrees of manoeuvrability. This has led to suspicions that India has selected the ASRAAM for political reasons rather than the actual effectiveness of the missile relative to its competitors. The extremely poor performance of British Eurofighter jets in simulated close range engagements with Indian Su-30MKI fighters further gives cause to question India’s decision to acquire the British made munitions.

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British Eurofighter Typhoon with ASRAAM Short Range Missiles



A pair of Su-30MKI fighters manufactured under licence by Hindustan Aeronautics have reportedly undergone software modifications to deploy the ASRAAM, which comes after Indain manufactured Jaguar attack jets were equipped with the same missiles to modernise their air to air capabilities. India’s National Aerospace Laboratory (NAL) was tasked with assessing the stability of the ASRAAM on the Su-30 airframe at its Bengaluru wind tunnel before the missiles were integrated. India has thus emerged as the second foreign operator of the British made munition after Australia, with the costly munitions having fared relatively poorly on export markets relative to their arguably far more cost effective Russian, Israeli and American manufactured counterparts.
 
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It's not a British missile ,MBDA is European consortium of Leonardo ,BAE and Airbus missile divisions and it is not equivalent of Aim-9 sidewinder ,it is meant to replace it in RAF and RAAF.
 
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