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IAF reject tejas...Again..

Clearly even the f22 is inferior to thunder as it didnt fly in zhuhai...also tejas is superior to j20 and f35 as they were not in Bahrain air show
Exactly, I mean wtf logic is that? LCA didn't even have IFR (ASSHOLE design) or a proper radome until like 2 years ago? All of a sudden it's the best aircraft, does it even have AESAs?

Yup, LCA is superior to J-11, J-16, J-10 AND J-20 since we were not in Bahrain.
 
Clearly even the f22 is inferior to thunder as it didnt fly in zhuhai...also tejas is superior to j20 and f35 as they were not in Bahrain air show

Nice try at face saving but that's a false equivalency.:coffee:

J-20 & J-35 weren't going to come to BIAS 2016 & likewise F-22 wasn't invited nor did the Americans ask to be invited in a chinese airshow(lol).

Whereas JF-17 was definitely supposed to fly in BIAS 2016 and PAF PULLED OUT AT THE LAST MOMENT.
 
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Your assessment couldn't be further off mark. As I said, Unlike you I don't base my arguments on news paper reports. I interact with people who are concerned. You may give more credence to reports emanating from media, without even going into the details. As i said, what you believe is inconsequential.

PS - Also first learn to spell the name correctly. Is it due the general nature of education in your country?

I spelt in correctly, ;)
 
Clearly even the f22 is inferior to thunder as it didnt fly in zhuhai...also tejas is superior to j20 and f35 as they were not in Bahrain air show

Did F22 first accepted and then pulled out hearing thunder would be performing? If yes, then yeah, F22 is inferior to JF17
 
Why cant they get just get over with it? Its even getting boring for us Pakistan, I swear! You can only take micky out of something to a certain point. Its like a love marriage gone sour. I don't know how in Hinduism couple divorce each other, but in Islam you just need to say it three time and be done with, and I am sure its more then three times I have heard Tejas being rejected.
 
Nice try at face saving but that's a false equivalency.:coffee:

J-20 & J-35 weren't going to come to BIAS 2016 & likewise F-22 wasn't invited nor did the Americans ask to be invited in a chinese airshow(lol).

Whereas JF-17 was definitely supposed to fly in BIAS 2016 and PAF PULLED OUT AT THE LAST MOMENT.
Big clap for Indian achievement for pull out of JF17 from BIAS and because of that PAF is stop her production line and IAF have 100+ Great Tejas. What a achievement sir jee
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Nice try at face saving but that's a false equivalency.:coffee:

J-20 & J-35 weren't going to come to BIAS 2016 & likewise F-22 wasn't invited nor did the Americans ask to be invited in a chinese airshow(lol).

Whereas JF-17 was definitely supposed to fly in BIAS 2016 and PAF PULLED OUT AT THE LAST MOMENT.
Can you show us proof PAF pulled out the last moment? I mean common sense, you guys can jump n boast n rejoice because you won when JF17 didn't show up? Where were you when JF17 was there a few years earlier? So Pakistan was afraid of the mighty gen3++ mirage clone? Come on, it is just acrobatics which Pakistan performed years ago, you are there the first time and you start boasting? You come Zhuhai and compete with J10, try doing this
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw0VTJzWxrN8ZFOD4xbU2nov&cshid=1548868491108
 
Hi @ziaulislam
I can understand your sentiments. It is perfectly right to vocalize your sentiments, however what is WRONG is not doing your homework properly. Had you actually cared to go through elaborate reports, you wouldnt have fallen for the bait. In the detailed report it is clearly mentioned that, under revised proposal HAL actually rectified the ferry range problem in tune with the IAF's requirement. What they however failed to do was the delivery time lines and price. The non compliance as of now is NOT due to ferry range but more due to timelines and price. LCA no doubt have been at the receiving end of fantastic program management of our PSUs (pun intended!), however let me assure most of its technical problems were gradually and steadfastly overcome in last 15 years! The 83 MK1A are pretty much in line with IAF's requirements. Now that MK1 facility has picked up pace, MK1A and MK2 are the fighter jets that will form the bulk of light/medium category in years to come.
PS: Also next time when you post something, do not merely resort to one or two news article, instead go through a whole host of them to formulate entire picture.
Here is the detailed report-

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/after...force-to-approach-defence-acquisition-council

and it clearly states:
Following Hindustan Aeronautics Limited’s (HAL’s) repeated non-compliance in terms of fulfilling requirements in the Tejas aircraft deal, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has decided to take up the matter with the Defence Ministry, reports ANI.

In December 2017, the IAF had issued a single vendor tender to HAL, and the latter sent back its first commercial and technical response to it in March 2018.

As per the report, there were three major shortcomings in HAL’s response.

The HAL's offer on price and other aspects was valid only for 12 months, however, the procurement procedure required it to be minimum 18 months. The delivery time offered by the HAL was thus not deemed acceptable.

As per IAF officials quoted in the report, it was also found that the aircraft range and the endurance levels were not in compliance with the requirements. Endurance level pertains to the amount of time an aircraft can be in the air.

The IAF officials thus told HAL to rectify the issues in the proposal and send a revised response. But non-compliance was also noted in HAL’s subsequent responses which were received in the last 15 days.

“The delivery schedule now proposed by HAL remains a non-compliance, for which the IAF is approaching Defence Acquisition Council,” IAF said.

Under the new responses, HAL complied with the ferry range but failed to solve the delivery schedule matter following which IAF has now reportedly decided to approach the Defence Acquisition Council.

The program is already said to have been delayed by over a year despite getting the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) nod in 2016.

The Air Force had already placed an order for 40 LCA jets and had issued tenders to the HAL for another 83 Mark 1A LCAs to replace its old fleet of MiG-27 and MiG 21 aircraft but has had to postpone their retirement given the delays in the LCA and other fighter aircraft procurement projects.


Hi!
It is inconsequential what you believe in! I have had the opportunity to interact with folks who were once the test pilots of the program and my batch mates worked on the certain aspects of the jet. There was indeed a time when it was more of technology demonstrator program and less of an actual war fighting machine. However what a lot of people fail to realize (including a lot of Indians: Please note that since India has acquired some decent buying power in last 2 decades, it is a mecca for international companies and a lot of stories are purposefully planted in media to show various indigenous programs in dim light to prepare the way for imports.) is that over past 15 years, the plane has gone through some major iterations and changes in flight control logic to expand the envelop (hint: improvement in sustained turn rates) that, those issues are not a problem anymore. In fact to your surprise, India does have some decent expertise in developing flight control laws and composites. And no flight control laws are not mere codes, they are the physics of the aircraft and how can they be effectively controlled using digital computer. It uses MRAC like most other modern digtial FBW aircrafts (something which JF-17 still lacks! I am not at all claiming that JF-17 is inferior, it is just that JF-17's controls are not as sophisticated as LCA's).

The first fully configured LCA flew in 2010 and achieved IOC in 2013, followed by opening up of flight envelope in 2015. That's good enough to anybody who's actually serious enough to know the facts of the program.
 
Why cant they get just get over with it? Its even getting boring for us Pakistan, I swear! You can only take micky out of something to a certain point. Its like a love marriage gone sour. I don't know how in Hinduism couple divorce each other, but in Islam you just need to say it three time and be done with, and I am sure its more then three times I have heard Tejas being rejected.
This Tejas thing has become like the riding on a tigress for India....

They will pull off only if Pak gets off JF-17.....

I think in Hindu religion there's no room for divorce. Even being a widow was no respite for the wife was supposed to join the fire of the burning dead body of the late husband (this practice was banned by the British)......
 
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Big clap for Indian achievement for pull out of JF17 from BIAS and because of that PAF is stop her production line and IAF have 100+ Great Tejas. What a achievement sir jee

Strawman argument.
How many JF-17s PAF has and eventually will induct has nothing to do with whether or not if it's a competent platform as compared to some other fighter

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